r/ROI • u/CautiousListen5914 • Sep 26 '24
🇺🇸 AmeriKKKa Capitalism in crisis these past few years.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Sep 27 '24
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Sep 26 '24
Were they not socialists?
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Sep 26 '24
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Sep 26 '24
Crazy man ranted and raved about his hatred for capitalism in his final few years
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Sep 26 '24
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Sep 26 '24
There was more state ownership of property during the regime of the national socialists. Peoples property rights were transferred to the state leaving their property title card practically useless
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Sep 26 '24
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Sep 26 '24
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802 If private property was not used to further the goals of the nazi regime it could be nationalised, which basically means the nazis can take private property when they want
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Sep 26 '24
The markers for private property were non existent in Nazi germany the only reason it’s considered still private by some was the fact your name was tied to the land
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Sep 26 '24
s. However, it is worth noting that the general orientation of the Nazi economic policy was the exact opposite of that of the EU countries in the late 1990s: Whereas the modern privatization in the EU has been parallel to liberalization policies, in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference
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u/LeninMeowMeow Sep 27 '24
There was more state ownership of property during the regime of the national socialists.
This is factually incorrect. It's so incorrect that it might surprise you to know that the term "privatisation" that is used today to describe the change of hands of state-owned companies was in fact coined by the nazis themselves in their absolutely massive sweeping privatisation campaign.
The ridiculous privatisation of practically everything included key war industries (literally weapons systems manufacturers) and was in fact a key component of their war machine being massively inefficient with horrifically poor planning and ultimately failing against Soviet central planning.
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u/CautiousListen5914 Sep 26 '24
I think you've been sold a pup mate. I recommend you read this book.
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u/Equality_Executor tankie Sep 26 '24
Do you think that the only options are "hitler" and "not-hitler"?
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Sep 26 '24
Where do I say this?
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u/Equality_Executor tankie Sep 26 '24
You didn't, it was just a suspiscion. I probably talk to too many libs and so I try to get the "are you able to think about situations with more than two sides/options/outcomes" out of the way as soon as possible.
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u/King-Sassafrass 😪 Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi Sep 27 '24
Point to where
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Sep 28 '24
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u/King-Sassafrass 😪 Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi Sep 28 '24
But that’s contradictory to Hitler literally having Monopolized State Capitalism. Hitler ran Germany in this particular way, and he was top dog too. He made capitalism prevelant in Germany
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Sep 28 '24
Would you consider Hitler to be rational? My comments state he did rant not anything else
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u/King-Sassafrass 😪 Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi Sep 29 '24
He knew how to rabblerouse and could paint, but in terms of a rational person, no. He did a lot of questionable things
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u/LeninMeowMeow Sep 27 '24
The Nazis were not socialists. Their entire goal was to latch onto a popular political movement and redefine it to fit their needs(as all fascists typically do).
They did not support worker ownership of the means of production and the right for workers to work for themselves. Hitler repealed legislation that nationalized industry in Germany, and oversaw the expansion of private industry. The first modern implementation of privatization on a grand scale took place under the supervision of the Nazis. The word "privatization" was coined to describe a central tenet of Nazi economic policy. The Nazis raided and imprisoned union leaders and broke up trade unions. They repealed worker rights.
Behold Hitler's own words:
"There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago."
- Hitler explaining that he vehemently opposes the Left, and believes only Rightists like himself can make Germany great again. (Source is a speech in April 1921)
"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not."
- Hitler literally admitting his "socialism" is a whole new thing and has nothing to do with the usual definition of the word. (Source is an interview Hitler gave to the Sunday Express printed on Dec 28th in 1938, you'll need to visit the library for this one)
"The ideology that dominates us is in diametrical contradiction to that of Soviet Russia. National Socialism is a doctrine that has reference exclusively to the German people. Bolshevism lays stress on international mission. We National Socialists believe a man can, in the long run, be happy only among his own people."
- Hitler trying so hard to explain that he isn't a socialist, that he opposes socialism, and that the term National Socialist is something he made up and only has meaning within the context of its own paradigm. (Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935)
"We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility."
- Hitler spelling it out in very clear terms that he wholeheartedly supports private ownership of property, i.e. capitalism, and opposes worker ownership of property, which he calls "Bolshevism", i.e. real, actual socialism. ( (Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935)
"What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead."
- Hitler attacking the notion of worker ownership of property and licking capitalist boot. (Something he said to Max Amann, May 1930. It is from the book A history of National Socialism page 128.
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Sep 27 '24
Hitler may have said he wants peoples property to be private but his actions suggest otherwise
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u/King-Sassafrass 😪 Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi Sep 27 '24
BAHAHAHAHA no, they weren’t. They were fascists my dude
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u/cochorol Sep 27 '24
It was used 100 years ago and It will be used now...Â