r/ROI • u/Blurstee • Feb 26 '24
🇺🇸 AmeriKKKa The NYT, after withholding the information for two years, has revealed that the Russian invasion was preceded by a decade-long US-Ukrainian campaign of military-intelligence aggression. The "unprovoked war" narrative was a propaganda invention.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/26/nrdz-f26.html2
u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
The details of this intelligence partnership, many of which are being disclosed by the New York Times for the first time, have been a closely guarded secret for a decade.
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By reporting the virtual control of the Ukrainian regime by the US military-intelligence apparatus, the Times is seeking to pressure the Republicans to support the war funding. It is arguing that this money is not going to a foreign government, in a foreign war, thousands of miles from US borders, but to a subcontractor of American imperialism, waging an American war in which US personnel are deeply and directly engaged.
In so doing, the Times has revealed its own coverage of the Ukraine war over the past two years to have been nothing more than war propaganda, aimed at using a fraudulent narrative to dragoon the American public to support a predatory imperialist war of aggression aimed at subjugating and dismantling Russia.
are pretty important takeaways for certain people on this sub.
edit: downvoting me doesnt make reality go away
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u/Blurstee Feb 26 '24
I'll be available to take apologies all week. Form an orderly queue. Apologise to all the other tankies too.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24
There's no mention of the annexation of Crimea, nor is there a link to the article in the NYT.
Edit: One fleeting mention of the occupation of Donetsk as a reference to an assassination in 2016, two years after Donetsk was occupied. No mention of Luhansk.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
There's no mention of the annexation of Crimea
Why would there be? Does the annexation make the American provocations disappear somehow?
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Yes. Russia annexed huge parts of Ukraine. What happens after that is defence. Including assassinations of enemies.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
Huge parts? But now we're just mincing words. Russia liberated huge parts of the Ukraine, parts that were defending themselves from ethnic cleansing by a Nazi regime.
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u/genron11 Feb 27 '24
Look at the guy who claims not to support Russia, support Russia.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
I support the truth.
Whereas you support genocidal narratives that you know to be American lies.
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u/genron11 Feb 27 '24
lol, no you don't. You tell bare faced lies and make misleading posts every day. I can't think of anyone else with less regard for the truth than you.
You've cobbled together a worldview from bullshit blogs and faux news outlets.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
Show me one of these lies.
You've cobbled together a worldview from bullshit blogs and faux news outlets.
Which would still be better than being a willing parrot of legacy media propaganda that you are.
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u/genron11 Feb 27 '24
The comment I replied to above is a good enough example.
Most things out of your mouth are shite, to be honest. You're a lying scumbag, as we all know.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
And again you have nothing in your comment except abuse, dodging the question, refusing to participate in the discussion because you know you have nothing.
Now be quiet.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Liberated. Sweet.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
They wanted self determinations and simply some form of independence, even as part of Ukraine. For that they were attacked and killed. Russia stood by and did nothing to help them for 8 years.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Who supplied the weapons for the militia?
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
For the resistance? No idea. I know who supplied the Nazis though and who still is.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Maybe the easter bunny gave those weapons and funding to the separatist militia. The Nazis make their own weapons in their factories inside Russia.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
Maybe the easter bunny gave those weapons
So you don't know either. What is your point? So Russia armed them to defend themselves from Nazis. Okay?
The Nazis make their own weapons in their factories inside Russia.
WTF are you talking about?
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Feb 27 '24
so your takeaway from this article is
1) a thing they didnt mention (even though they talk about how Ukr attacked Russia in Crimea)
and 2) another thing not included (here you go, it was extremely difficult to google one of the quotes they use https://web.archive.org/web/20240226092055/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html)
Nothing about the actual information it provides?
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Russia annexed huge parts of Ukraine in 2014. Everything this article talks about is post 2014. That's not how provocation works.
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Feb 27 '24
Why didnt the article also mention the american coup in Ukraine in the early 00s, the shock doctrine, the cold war, WWII the october revolution and how Tsarist Russia came to be?!?!?! Clearly it's impossible to take anything from it.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
Russian annexation: ancient history
Ukraine retaliation: current events
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Feb 27 '24
Why are you so desperate to avoid the fact that US and UK intelligence services control Ukraine and have done so for a long time, you know, the actual topic of the article OP posted.
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u/powerlinepole Feb 27 '24
The point from OP, as I read it, is that Ukraine provoked this war. The article goes on to talk about matters that happened after the annexation of huge parts of Ukraine.
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u/Blurstee Feb 27 '24
The point from OP, as I read it, is that Ukraine provoked this war.
Not really, the US with help from the UK provoked the war. Their puppets in Ukraine helped of course.
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u/ErrantBrit Feb 27 '24
This ain't the smoking gun lads. As you were.