r/ROI • u/Blurstee • Nov 15 '23
🇺🇸 AmeriKKKa Wake up babe, new anarchist theory just dropped!
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/hamas-hospitals-gaza-israel.html5
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
I don't know about the tunnels, but there is photo evidence of Hamas fighters operating in and around hospitals.
Not that it excuses the blatant war crime of bombing said hospitals by Israel. That's inexcusable.
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
I present to you, The "Left" gentlemen and gentlemen.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
Saying bombing a hospital is a war crime makes me right wing remember that folks!
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Show us this photo evidence.
Why are you questioning the methods of people resisting their genocide?
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u/FirstnameNumbers1312 Nov 15 '23
Wait you can't have it both ways here
Either he's a rightist for spreading Israeli Propoganda, ie lying about Hamas and making them look bad and Israel look comparatively good OR Hamas is justified in doing those things anyway so 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Like all they said was that that is happening. Either it isn't happening and he's fallen for lies or it is happening and that's ok.
You can't condemn him as a rightest for believing this is happening if you admit yourself that you think doing this would be justified.
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
I don't know where you're getting this either/or.
He's pushing Zionist propaganda, he won't say why he's doing this. I don't care if they're walking by a hospital in the most densely packed concentration camp in the world. None of this makes any sense.
I'm condemning him for pushing US propaganda, like I've done for years here.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
Saying something did happen and show proof it did is now propaganda? The fuck is wrong with you lmao
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
"Look! See! The Viet Cong were hiding in that My Lai village! The Americans provided a picture!"
Just as a thought experiment, what do you think the motivation of the speaker of this sentence would be?
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
Does that speaker follow on and say it's still a war crime for the US to bomb the village and that Viet cong being there does not excuse said war crime?
I feel like it's an important part that should be included in this.
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u/FirstnameNumbers1312 Nov 15 '23
I don't think it's reasonable to at once respond with outrage that someone would suggest something was true and then to say that if it were true you would support it anyway.
You can't be outraged at the mere implication that something was happening and also support it happening.
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Who responded with outrage here? I'm losing the thread, it's very hard to understand what you're saying.
Do you think the attacks on the hospitals are justified regardless of the images that the IDF put out?
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u/FirstnameNumbers1312 Nov 15 '23
Do you think the attacks on the hospitals are justified regardless of the images that the IDF put out?
This is a confusing sentence....
I haven't seen the images but even if I did I would oppose bombing hospitals.??? I'm confused what you mean here.
My criticism is that you're being unreasonable. If Hamas has been seen firing near hospitals that is, as someone else pointed out, somewhat expected and is likely unavoidable. At the same time I don't believe a word Israel says.
But to see someone say Hamas has fired near hospitals and call him a rightist even though he condemned Israel bombing those hospitals anyway! Like,, that's Your position too!
It's something you do a lot. Anyone who criticises you is put in a box so you can dismiss them. In this case you literally agree with their position just disagree about the facts on the ground
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
I haven't seen the images but even if I did I would oppose bombing hospitals.??? I'm confused what you mean here.
This is the point of the article I posted. It's meant to be used by people to give credence to Israel's genocidal activities.
When someone says, "But they're right! Look at the evidence they gave us!", that person is helping their cause. When that person has a track record of pushing American warmongering propaganda for a couple of years in all its arenas, then yes I think I can call him a "leftist".
I don't agree with their position, I don't believe he maintains the position he pretends to.
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Nov 15 '23
...those arent contradictions
Hamas is the palestinian people, it exists in a dense environment, its literally unavoidable for hamas to not operate where civilians exist. There is no designated area for warfare in Gaza where the resistance can face IOF like an 18th century European battle.
If the resistance were to operate close to a hospital that's 100% understandable for anyone who knows anything about Gaza.
At the same time Israel does lie repeatedly about where Hamas have arms and tunnels, especially when the fascists fancy bombing hospitals or bakeries or ambulances.
These 2 positions are not contradictory and I don't understand why,I had to spell this out. If youre going to be an onlinepoisoned liberal who believe arguing with tankies on socual media is the primary contradiction then at least don't be a dimwit about it
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u/FirstnameNumbers1312 Nov 15 '23
I actually agree with you here (mostly). Obviously Hamas ought to avoid fighting near hospitals but in the real world there is no such thing as a clean battlefield, especially in somewhere so densely packed as Gaza.
But I don't think it's reasonable to respond with outrage at the mere suggestion that something is happening, and at the same time believe that if it were happening it would be ok. That's the contradiction.
I don't believe it's true, I've seen enough Israeli lies to know not to trust them. But I do find the suggestion believable precisely for the reasons you suggest. And if it were, that would 1. Not justify Israels actions and 2. Not even be a significant critique of Hamas unless you showed this was consistent operational strategy even in cases where they had alternatives etc.
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Nov 15 '23
But Blurst isnt outraged about that its happening but the posting of israeli propaganda pretending that it is happening. Or perhaps im misunderstanding.
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u/FirstnameNumbers1312 Nov 15 '23
Outraged isn't the right term, but regardless I think his response reflects an underlying dogmatism and lack of critical thinking in his ideology.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1699881898-idf-releases-footage-of-hamas-firing-rpg-from-gaza-city-hospital Excuse the source but it shows the evidence.
And no you fucking mong, I clearly said Israel bombing the hospital is an INEXCUSABLE war crime. Do I need to pull up the dictionary for you now too?
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Excuse the source but it shows the evidence.
Gentlemen behold.
I clearly said Israel bombing the hospital is an INEXCUSABLE war crime
I don't care about that part and made no mention of it. Answer my second question.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
Classic Blurstys denying photo evidence.
I'm not questioning their resistance. Your post title clearly is to say that Hamas operating even around hospitals is a theory only. I'm pointing out it's not
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
I thought I could choose to excuse the source no?
I was referring to Anarchist theory being a collection of regressive nonsense designed to bog down progress in a quagmire of patent gibberish and so further the goals of imperialism.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
Source being the website, not the photo evidence my friend.
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Can you just distill down what it is you're trying to say? I'm lost at this point. Are you trying to justify US/Israel's genocide or what?
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u/Ghost_of_Hamas Nov 15 '23
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
What's so funny chief
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u/Ghost_of_Hamas Nov 15 '23
You are spreading Zionist propaganda my friend.
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u/paddydasniper Nov 15 '23
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1724080276056277074?s=20 It was geo located. It happened, accept it. I don't condemn them for fighting there, I do condemn Israel for it's war crimes hitting the hospital.
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Nov 15 '23
So you’re saying the Palestinians should resist the Israelis, yes? Even though it costs lives? But you used to say that Ukrainians should stop resisting against the Russian invasion, because it costs lives? So which is it now, Blursty? Should people resist, or not? What does Daddy Putin tell you ?
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
The Ukrainians were cannon fodder for a puppet regime run by Nazis and Nazi collaborators who instigated a war for the interests of America. The innocent people had no interest in fighting for themselves. The others were Nazis so not real people.
The Palestinians on the other hand are fighting for their survival as an ethnic group undergoing a genocide, again for American interests.
Do you understand the difference now? In both cases I oppose the Nazis and their analogues.
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Nov 15 '23
Daddy Putin told you all that, huh?
So it’s ok for Palestinians to fight for their homes, but not the Ukrainians? Because America? How long have ye been using that excuse?
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Ukrainians were never fighting for their homes. The only homes Ukrainians were fighting for were the ones they were trying to ethnically cleanse out of the Eastern regions. The Ukrainians are the Zionists in this analogy.
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Nov 15 '23
Ah yeah, after Russia started that proxy war!
You’ll have to remind me of all the countries that Ukraine has invaded, and all the wars they’ve started, all the colonies Ukraine had, the Holodomors they caused. Poor old Russia is ever the victim to those nasty old Ukrainians! Lol!
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Nov 15 '23
Lets see. Ukraine participated in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. The national identity of Ukraine was used to justify fascism and ethnic cleansing in the early to mid 1900s as well as in the 2010s and early 2020s. They did actually sow the seeds for the fascist propaganda that is called 'holodomor', easy to miss.
Idk do some reading, surely thats a better way to inform yourself than asking randoms on a subreddit
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Nov 15 '23
I think what Blurst is saying is that genocide is not good. Hope that wasn't too advanced for you
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Nov 15 '23
Oh, we all agree on that.
But what I’m trying to clear up is when he’s been saying that Ukrainians should stop fighting the invasion and let Russia occupy them with no resistance.
It’s just seems awfully hypocritical when he says some are allowed to resist an invasion, but others are not?
Hmm? Doesn’t that seem odd?
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u/tankieandproudofit 🙀 Anarkiddie Nov 15 '23
do you think it was good or bad that the allies and USSR invaded nazigermany?
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u/AdamOfIzalith Nov 15 '23
I saw something about this today where the head of the Israeli military took CNN into one of these hospitals and showed them a calander which was supposedly detailing hostage duty. They called the days of the week in Arabic Terrorists because they thought they were names and "read" it left to right for the CNN news crew, assuming that one of the most widely spoken languages in the world would not get translated by a native Arabic Speaker.
It's wild how they think that their Propaganda works when they are genuinely so stupid it defies logic.
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u/Blurstee Nov 15 '23
Amazing isn't it? The Zionist propaganda strategy is not to argue, it is not to convince.
It is to chill. To stifle. To accuse. To threaten. To weary people down with absurd gaslighting.
The facts are not on their side, so their mission is to make acknowledging the facts of their crimes a taboo, one that can ruin your life if you're in the media or politics.
"Never believe that the Zionists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words."
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u/Revolutionary-Swan16 Something really special Nov 15 '23
Very weird undertones behind twisting a quote about antisemites into a quote about Zionists.
Also, Hamas absolutely do operate out of civilian infrastructure. Any who denies this is blind.
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u/RasherSambos FatHeadDave86 Nov 15 '23
Lol
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1501968139000725505