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🌎 World Events Missile impacts in Israel

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u/FooFatFighters Oct 01 '24

Sheer number of missiles also can overwhelm anti-missile missiles. The only way to defend against something like this is with energy weapons that don't have physical ammo to run out of.

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u/Lawls91 Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

Even then there'll be similar upper limits in terms of overwhelming the system, Israel has all the munitions it needs for the iron dome, you just simply can't be everywhere at once.

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u/msrichson Oct 01 '24

It also tracks trajectories and attempts to not engage rockets that it believes will hit low population areas.

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u/tmfkslp Oct 01 '24

Not unpopulated, just low population? Yikes…

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u/der_titan Oct 01 '24

The trolley dilemma in real life.

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u/nexisfan Oct 01 '24

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u/239990 Oct 02 '24

Probably they prefer to not intercept missiles that go to low populated areas because they are less likely to kill people and prefer to use them to intercept ones that go to the city . I don't think its a monetary issue... they get the money from US government

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u/nexisfan Oct 02 '24

I’m sure you’re right, I just thought that meme I had just saved was too on the nose not to share

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u/Cool_Radish_7031 Oct 01 '24

I mean hey you can't pick and choose every battle, right? Just reality if you're getting shot at all day every day like this. There will be some compromise

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u/Dopple__ganger Oct 01 '24

How is that yikes? It’s just straight up logical.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '24

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u/JamisonDouglas Oct 01 '24

It's not that at all. If there's a single missile the system will intercept even at low population areas.

If there's a large volley of missiles (like today) and only so many can be caught, the system will prioritise high population density areas to protect.

The system can only intercept a certain number of missiles per unit time. It makes best use of that time when it needs to. The system isn't perfect but it does a very good job. It doesn't just ignore low population areas. It just prioritises larger population areas when it needs to.

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u/654456 Oct 01 '24

Have to make a decision, more lives saved is better at the end of the day

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u/tmfkslp Oct 01 '24

Logical would be building a more impenetrable iron curtain, not sacrificing civvies. With all the money that they are getting from us its not like they cant afford it.

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u/Dopple__ganger Oct 01 '24

Yea I mean that line of thinking would work if we had unlimited resources, but that’s just not the case in the real world.

https://medium.com/expedia-group-tech/the-cost-of-100-reliability-ecb2901f23a4

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u/tmfkslp Oct 01 '24

That was actually a really good read. I had assumed enough redundancy could fix most of the issue(s) but clearly theres things baked in i didnt account for. Much appreciated.

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u/msrichson Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

There is a failure rate for missile interceptors. if you fire 100, some percentage will fail. As a result, if you shoot 100 interceptors at 100 rockets some will inevitably get through or require a 2nd or 3rd missile. These decisions are occurring by real people that have to make decisions in a few minutes.

Here is an example of a scenario involving missile defense of a US aircraft carrier. Same principles in play - https://youtu.be/D_zPazAJRX4?si=fsjRim4c7303pmPa&t=906

Edit: striked out inaccurate portion.

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u/JamisonDouglas Oct 01 '24

These decisions are occurring by real people that have to make decisions in a few minutes.

These decisions are actually almost entirely automated by a computer actually in the case of the iron dome.

That is a very good video on the matter, just not applicable to this system.

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u/msrichson Oct 01 '24

Thanks for that clarification.

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u/JamisonDouglas Oct 01 '24

No bother at all. Still has many of the same issues, and you did have a very solid point. Just that one little error. But even with computers controlling it - that only removes the real time human error as it happens. There is still a failure rate from the interceptors etc.

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u/ElevatedAngling Oct 01 '24

It’s pretty densely populated so ya :(

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u/letsgetcool Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 02 '24

it would help if Israel didn't place military targets among the civilian population.

edit: no rebuttal, just downvotes from the thick fuck zionists

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u/dtlabsa Oct 01 '24

arab populated* areas

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u/654456 Oct 01 '24

You also can't rearm the anti-missile systems fast enough

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u/GumboDiplomacy Oct 01 '24

They ran out of missiles a decade or so ago during one of the flare ups, so they definitely have the stockpile. They've got about 500 missiles they can fire at a time across the entire system, and once the launcher is dry it takes an hour or two to reload the launch systems.

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u/81_BLUNTS_A_DAY Oct 01 '24

Well from a far enough distant perspective, say low earth orbit, you could use that energy weapon to quickly acquire and target ballistics…

Wait a minute…

The answer is actually Jewish space lasers?

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u/intern_steve Oct 01 '24

Missiles, even a very large stock of them, take up physical space and require physical launch infrastructure. Directed energy weapons are both instantaneously delivered and don't need to be reloaded. You're limited by energy demands and heat dissipation, which are real challenges, but are less affected by the enemy always deploying [your defense + 1] missiles. Downsides are the previously mentioned energy demands and the additional technology investment needed to effectively target warheads in reentry with the precision required of lasers. It definitely can work, though. The Boeing YAL-1 demonstrated it years ago in an airborne platform. Cancelled because it could only effectively target missiles in the boost phase, meaning they'd have to have multiple ships orbiting inside the Iranian border to effectively cover a missile attack.

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u/e_subvaria Oct 01 '24

My guess this is the reason why there are impacts on the ground

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u/thejimla Oct 01 '24

Is there any video of the usual volley from the Iron Dome? Israel could have just let them hit considering they knew the exact time it was coming yesterday

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u/Coldfusion21 Oct 01 '24

Iron Beam.

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u/UnderWhlming Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 02 '24

We're real close to getting Gundams coming out of Secret Factories

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u/Hatorate90 Oct 01 '24

They are testing with laserweapons. Biggest downside is that weather can influencer the performance.

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u/s1thl0rd Oct 01 '24

Even then you better hope your capacitor banks, batteries, and generators are able to keep up. And even THEN it's like any TD game - enough enemy targets can still overwhelm defenses.

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u/nunchyabeeswax Oct 01 '24

Sheer number of missiles also can overwhelm anti-missile missiles.

That's how the Ukrainians have been dealing (with drones) with Russian S400/S500 systems, by sheer numbers.

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u/drquakers Oct 01 '24

Energy weapons can also overheat / brown out

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u/Babyyougotastew4422 Oct 01 '24

Do you mean….lasers?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '24

Jewish ones?

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u/Babyyougotastew4422 Oct 01 '24

Oh my good she was right

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '24

You know we kid, but folks in position of power like her have information we don't. For all we know there was a proposal ect for such project that this beast caught a whiff of. Then used it for their fascist propaganda.

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u/Jadccroad Oct 01 '24

"Only" is doing some really fucking heavy lifting here.

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u/Dorkamundo Oct 01 '24

Well, then all you need to do is get some Anti-missile missile missiles.

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u/MechAegis Oct 01 '24

energy weapons

Is this real? Sounds like a game weapon, like Hammer of Dawn (Gears of War) or Ion Cannon (Command and Conquer).

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u/Spajk Oct 02 '24

I am curious how effective reflective coating would be against energy weapons

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u/Heckbound_Heart Oct 01 '24

Or stop committing genocide, as a preventative measure