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u/INFPMarxist Mar 13 '21
This is weak. Not a good look to paint most of the south as confederates. There are tons of preogressives in those states whoâd be the first in contact with right-wingers if SHTF
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Mar 13 '21
Iâm one of those progressives and your point is exactly why on January 6 I decided to start arming up. I wish I had done it four years ago when I first started thinking about it.
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u/pussifer Mar 13 '21
It also paints the rest of the country as being left-wing, which is also absolutely not the case. There are fervent right-wing nutjobs in every state, even stereotypically liberal states like Oregon and California.
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u/RedditKon Mar 13 '21
Right? Stacey Abrams didnât work her ass off to flip Georgia for people to be posting stuff like this. đđ
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u/wildthing202 Mar 13 '21
You can say that about literally anywhere. It's not like people elsewhere are shipping out their racists to the southeast and getting progressives in return.
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u/johning117 Mar 13 '21
There's also the fact that there were individual counties that actively and violently repressed their slave owning states.
Also that for most of the time it was Democrats that were pro slavery and pro segregation.
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u/RxDotaValk Mar 13 '21
Didnât democrats and republicans swap platforms after Lincoln? So they would have been âDemocratsâ by name technically, but not the democrats of today.
Thatâs why we always hear that âLincoln was a republican!â On FOX news and other GOP propaganda media.
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u/manufacturedefect Mar 13 '21
As an oversimplification. The southern democrats felt that LBJ's signing of the civil rights act was a betrayal, and the Republicans started pandering to them as a result in their southern strategy.
If you look back at FDR and the new deal, the southern democrats were still segregationists.
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u/DoomsdayRabbit Mar 13 '21
And like in Lincoln's time, ran a separate candidate from the northern wing.
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u/johning117 Mar 13 '21
They routinely do this, someomtimes Republicans are the progressive good guys arguing for relevant policy other times its the democrats but most importantly the only persons opinion that should matter in this democracy is yours.
I feel like politicians still do a form of it to this day. They no longer want to actually save minorities they just cause problems for everyone then half assed fixes to make it look like they are doing something. Like Biden is in power now democrats hold majority they could end the war on drugs and instantly fix alot of problems and police authority. But no because like the Republicans they found there's more power and profit in creating treatment not cures.
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u/damnatio_memoriae Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21
the real swap happened more during the great depression, but it started with william jennings bryan, who moved the democrats toward the bigger government ideology, which had been a defining republican trait. they eventually shifted to fill the small-government void the democrats left behind in the wake of the New Deal.
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u/WuziMuzik Mar 13 '21
that map needs to be changed a lot. way more of the middle america should be included and much more of texas should be taken out. north texas is more like oklahoma and kansas than the rest of texas which is more like the west. and utah is one of the most racist places in the US. that map is more of a stereotype than reality, and reality is much worse than that map indicates.
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u/ScalesGhost Mar 13 '21
Why is this tagged "Environment"?
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u/bhtooefr OH Mar 14 '21
I'm guessing automod saw "climate" and thought it was about climate change?
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u/Coen_Ruwheid Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21
great job stigmatizing and demonizing entire states, dumb moron.
Is that how you're planning to ideologically win people over to a cause?
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u/nincomturd Mar 13 '21
You think that people can be ideologically won over?
Pretty sure this is a thing that's been more or less disproven.
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u/Coen_Ruwheid Mar 13 '21
? what kind of statement is that. "People can't be persuaded of an idea". Then should we all stop using language altogether?
What I am sure of, is that you won't get anywhere by calling entire populations dumb, stupid, lost causes etc.
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u/DJ2x Mar 13 '21
Capitalism itself isn't all that bad, but it needs to be regulated heavily. Unfortunately that necessary regulation has been eroded severely over the past 60 years.
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u/chemicalrefugee Mar 13 '21
- the rush into succession was created over conspiracy theories.
The slaves states left the union with every one of them citing northern abolitionists and the impending loss of slavery as reasons. But there was no danger of the slave states losing slavery. Slavery had constitutional protection. The initial arguments between the slave states and the rest of the union weren't about slavery. There was a long term issue over interstate taxes on river transport - those taxes paid for 80% of the US federal budget (80% of which was spent up north) and were levied primary on the south. It created ongoing anger.
But there are always people who think that they can get rich and powerful on lies. Talking heads gave speeches and in those speeches the people were told that Lincoln was an abolitionist (no) and that the Republican Party was abolitionist (no) and the the north was full of abolitionists (no again, not that many of them and they were disliked). Had those people been familiar with the constitution they would have known the institution of slavery had constitutional protection and that there were not enough votes for an amendment to work. Well... not until after the south seceded...
This time around it's "Bubba they are a comin for your guns".
Last time around it was slaves.
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u/manufacturedefect Mar 13 '21
The republican party was founded to stop the spread of slavery west. It did have a few "radical" abolitionists. The usual operations was to appease the south and slavery for the good of the union, yes.
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u/Toxic_Audri WA Mar 13 '21
Except at that time the republicans were democrats, remember the parties flipped, Dems saw how successful republicans were on the abolitionist messaging, Dems soon followed suit and did better, the republicans then changed their messaging to pick up the racist dixiecrats that the Dems dropped like a bad habit.
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u/MocaJoka Mar 13 '21
I would say this is a mischaracterization of the the division in this country. But I get what you mean lol It should be noted that most Americans are independent and hate whoever is president no mater what flag or party they are affiliated with.
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u/dizzle4lyfe Mar 13 '21
I love these people who go "bad meme" "lame" "not funny". Like I know I'm going to be called out for this comment because some right-wingers disguised as neo liberals, but they've done this insane bullshit multiple times before with Bush, with the Civil War, even in Germany. So get with the program and figure out what side of history you're willing to be on.
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u/throatmesage Mar 13 '21
Check your facts. It was blue who wanted slaves. Check your facts.
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u/dstar09 Mar 15 '21
Yup, the parties switched and in the days of Lincoln, it was the Republicans who were the party of civil rights and government expansion. They switched places ideologically after the Civil War.
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Mar 13 '21
I'm just now learning about our insanity after a failed reconstruction. It never happened, the freedom from socioeconomical oppression that is. We are repeating the same behaviors that we did 100 years ago. We prevented and oppressed black voters, and we are passing legislation from a week ago that successfully suppresses voters as well. Those specifically in black and native populations, those populations that won those significant states. Guys, it's happening again.
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u/chasemyers Mar 13 '21
The south was Democrats, back then, actually. The north, and President Lincoln, were Republicans.
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u/dstar09 Mar 15 '21
Yup the parties actually switched, which is kind of bizarre, but true. In Lincolnâs time, it was the Republicans who were pro civil rights and pro expansion of the government in terms of creating programs for the poor.
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 13 '21
You need a history lesson "right wingers" fought and died to free slaves. Democrats wanted to keep slavery.
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u/dstar09 Mar 13 '21
Democrats were the right wing at that time. Then they swapped names and now Dems are left wing. It was always the right wing that were pro-slavery and left that was against it.
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 13 '21
Lol. The democrats where the right? Leave it to the cancle culture left to try to rewrite history.
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u/dstar09 Mar 13 '21
Get a history lesson. The parties switched names, so the Democratic Party was the right wing party in the era of slavery. sorry if the truth gets in the way of your brainwashing, and your nonsense or whatever this âcancel cultureâ garbage youâre spouting
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 13 '21
Lol. This is seriously funny that you think the parties switched names. The republican party has always been the republican party. The democratic party has always been the democrats. This is getting really bad... I am sorry that it doesn't fall in line with your talking points, but those are the real facts.
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u/dstar09 Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
Sorry. The parties switched. Thatâs historical fact. So, the Democrats were the Conservative party once and the Republicans were the progressive party. Now itâs âau contraireâ. I guess you either arenât familiar with this chapter in history or just being difficult/pretending you donât get it, but, at that time the Conservative party, who were called âDemocratsâ, were pro-slavery, prior to the switch, when the Democrats became the more progressive party. This was essentially a switch in name only. Ok, done explaining. Go do the research if you still donât know about this; not going to waste more time here.
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 15 '21
Help me out with my research, I'm guessing that this is a pretty significant historical event. What year did it take place? Was there a declaration? Why exactly did they switch names? What purpose did it serve?
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u/dstar09 Mar 15 '21
Seriously? Now you want me to teach you US history? At the time of the Civil War, Republicans were abolitionists and also believed in government expansion to help the poor. This is why Lincoln was a Republican. After the war, the parties began to shift, started changing their ideologies. But, you need to learn how to search this for yourself on the internet before you go off spouting nonsense and showing your ignorance.
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 15 '21
Ideology hasn't changed for Republicans they are still anti-slavery. Democrats came around eventually true... I know it's a hard concept, but not every conservative is racist, just like some Democrats are racist. This isn't ignorance it's just an understanding that there is evidence of evil every where. If you think your party is perfect, it's no longer a government it's a religion. There's good people on both sides. Maybe one day we'll find some common ground. Keep up the fight.
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u/dstar09 Mar 16 '21
Haha, right. Keep on believing your own lies. David Duke was a huge Trump fan. Mustâve been nice for him and the other white supremacists having an openly racist president in the White House. Oh and the âgood people on both sidesâ? Really? Isnât that what Trump said regarding the neo-Nazi rally (and counter-rally) in S Carolina a while back?
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u/Historical_Name_6752 Mar 13 '21
So you're saying I'm right? The republican party did fight to free the slaves.
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u/keep_Democracy_usa Mar 14 '21
WE STAND BY OUR CONFEDERACY OUR MODERN SOUTHERN PEOPLE DOBT SUPPORT SLAVERY THIS IS THE ONLY PART WE DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT THE CONFEDERACY. IF GETTING FREEDOM MEANS WE GO BACK TO BEING SPLIT WE WILL DO IT #Texit #Unitethesouthernstatesforfreedom
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u/JPr3tz31 Mar 13 '21
TIL southerners get pretty butt hurt when you talk about how shitty the people who used to live in their states were. Itâs called history, folks. Instead of defending the shitty whining of the lazy slavers, maybe realize that they sucked and you are not them. Even if theyâre your ancestors, you still donât have to defend them. Iâd bet many of you would gladly get rid of one or many of your living relatives/neighbors without regret, if given the chance. Why are your dead relatives and the people who used to live in your neighbors houses so special to you?
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u/CR0Wmurder Mar 13 '21
I havenât seen a single person in this thread defending slave owners
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u/JPr3tz31 Mar 13 '21
Because that would be taboo. They are however, defending the people of the confederacy as a whole, which includes slavers. Also, even if they were defending everyone from the south except slavers, they are still defending people who allowed (and likely supported) slavery. If the south wants to be seen as anything other than the aftermath of a horrific society that had to be put down, then southerners need to stop crying every time someone brings it up. Condemn them and move on, or forever wallow in the shameful past associated with the land on which you now live.
One last thing: People cannot be owned. Theyâre slavers. They didnât own shit.
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u/valek879 Mar 13 '21
This map is fucked. Why is oklahoma not part of your confederated bullshit? The Tulsa race massacre was an atrocity.
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u/Moondude1337 Mar 13 '21
Pretty sure Georgia went blue đ¤ˇââď¸