News Copyright Industry Wants To Apply Automated Blocking To The Internet’s Core Routers
https://www.techdirt.com/2024/12/27/copyright-industry-wants-to-apply-automated-blocking-to-the-internets-core-routers/129
u/Probate_Judge 14h ago
Automated blocking affects far more than piracy.
It ignores concepts of fair use, eg review, satire/parody, covers. This has greatly impacted how a lot of youtube operates, just in terms of playing clips with music in them or even in the background.
And that's before we get to utterly false positives, much less the system being exploited.
And we're considering throwing it on core routers.
This will cause large problems.
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u/guska 14h ago
This will cause large problems.
Not for the people with the money, it won't
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u/Probate_Judge 13h ago
Believe that if you want.
If you think the copyright industry will correctly whitelist every Gov, school, bank, social media, newspaper, review website, retailer, etc etc all perfectly on the first try....I'd say you're being naive.
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u/guska 13h ago
Oh, I don't for a moment think that they'll ever get it right, but that's not their goal. They only care about restricting the access of the average consumer to illegal distribution of their IP, and anything else is not even on their radar.
We all know that it likely won't even be overly effective for those of us who know what we're doing, but we're not the target. Jim Brown down the street googling "Shrek 2 free download" is the target.
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u/Probate_Judge 3h ago
They only care about...
I know, and that's why it will cause problems.
That's my entire point from the start.
Jim Brown down the street googling "Shrek 2 free download" is the target.
And that part might "work", but they'll also block millions of Jims from accessing legit services. They could literally lose revenue over it, on top of pissing off millions or billions of people in general.
That's what I meant by "cause problems". Breaking the backbone of the internet just to stop some lazy schlubs from piracy is a stupid idea from greedy morons.
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u/guska 2h ago
I agree entirely, which is why I said
Not for the people with the money, it won't
Referring to the copyright holders trying to implement the blocks, since they won't give a fuck about any services they don't directly profit from, and will make sure that their own services are whitelisted.
I think we're in agreement here, just missing each other in wording.
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u/Probate_Judge 2h ago
My point there is that "people with the money" is a far broader category than just the copyright industry.
If you block X, Musk is probably going to be upset. Amazon Bezos, Microsoft Gates, etc.
Not just those but they're remarkable or illustrative examples.
In other words, there's a lot of money out there going around that has nothing to do with copyright. Damage that and there's going to be hell to pay.
A lot of this type of thing that gets implement is only partially to do with money....but it's successful because it was bought and implemented quietly.
That's the whole reason I said it affects more than piracy to begin with. To stress the idea it's going to be a problem for all. As is, lot of people will see this subject come up in the Piracy sub or similar location, then ignore it.
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u/goblinbellygames 3h ago
You overestimate the breadth of their concerns; They want to get paid and they want to prevent people from doing things with their "intellectual property" that don't involve them getting paid. They have no interest in distinguishing between things that don't pay them but are legal and things that don't pay them but are illegal.
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u/Probate_Judge 3h ago
You overestimate the breadth of their concerns
No. I'm saying it will cause problems because they're single minded and chasing windmills.
My whole point from the start, is that it will cause problems for more than pirates because they're seeking over-simple solutions to a problem that has less impact than they feel.
I never implied they have anything else at heart than their own wallets, I am not defending them in any way.
I'm not sure why people are reacting as if I'm in here slobbing on copyright's boots. Poor reading skills I guess.
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u/goblinbellygames 3h ago
Maybe I'm misreading; are yo saying this will come back to haunt them after it causes problems for other people? Because, it will not, as evidenced by the the years of Youtube's automated system removing legit fair-use content.
If that is not what you are saying, disregard my posts
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u/Probate_Judge 3h ago
are yo saying this will come back to haunt them after it causes problems for other people?
It could, in theory*, but that's beside the point.
IF their bot detected and automatically blocked Amazon hosts, for example(or youtube, google, paypal....etc...anything big), that would cripple the internet.
A LOT of people outside the copyright industry would be very very angry over such a thing, including some very rich and powerful people.
/*in theory I mean, if you cripple the internet, you'll probably have decreased revenue along with anyone else using that branch/fork/tube.
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u/Salt_Bus2528 9h ago
Cool. Make piracy low tech again? Thumb drives, letters, and post offices?
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u/PiddelAiPo 7h ago
Sitting at the back of the cinema with an old camcorder trying to breathe really quietly.
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u/Salt_Bus2528 7h ago
Private servers with shady secret societies hoarding the free knowledge of the world in an old barn. Being raided like a prohibition times brewery.
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u/the--archiver ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 19h ago
Is it possible to block torrents ?
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u/bake_day 10h ago
not without a huge breach of privacy
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u/RTHutch6 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 6h ago
And we know how much companies hate to breach privacy ……😳
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u/qwadzxs 4h ago
you can easily identify torrent traffic with an enterprise-grade firewall that does L7 inspection (seriously doubt this is possible on an internet-wide scale), but you run it through a VPN and the traffic is indistinguishable from every other business VPN, which will never be blocked short of outlawing encryption
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u/OkAdhesiveness5656 5h ago
There is a massive push of all blocks, curiously except the US (under Trump so the world should be fine for 4 years as the US controls all the major Internet related service companies), to censor massively Internet. It's not really about antipiracy, it's more about controlling the narratives of things, silencing free speech. The Global South is fed up with Western propaganda and Europe is getting a colored revolution reverse uno card.
I think the real objective of each block is to make their own airgap Internet. But it is very expensive and challenging. Brazil (the article is about Brazil) doesn't have the infrastructure nor the money. So it could end up a whole BRICS Internet. Europe will try to do it too, but they are bankrupted and all their governments are highly unpopular. The US will still use and control the "OG Internet".
Even if BRICS is lax on piracy, an Internet 2.0 could be less practicable for piracy, for example regarding anonymity. We can be sure that this "new Internet" will have digital ID embedded and some blockchain tracking (imagine your browsing history on a blockchain, the privacy nightmare lol).
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u/Thomas5020 7h ago
What are they even classifying as "the internet"? Just Tier 1 prpviders? What about companies who have their own ASN and IP blocks, but don't sell internet access?
Who even comes up with this shit?
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u/Dull-Imagination-589 6h ago
This is getting ridiculous, people really need to come together in mass and demand digital bill of rights an internet bill of rights which are very consumer friendly and give us guarantees, protections etc. currently as it stands we have none and it's becoming more and more anti consumer by the days we have paying consumers have absolutely 0 say or rights. If people realized this they would stop paying and supporting this stuff until things changed. It's getting absolutely ridiculous at this point and no one seems to care at all, some do sure, but not nearly enough for anything to change. I don't understand people and how so many can forever remain passive, sit idly by while things are done that directly affect them in negative ways and only Continue to get worse for them as a result.
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u/segfaultzerozero 18h ago
Fuck those guys.