r/Palestine • u/hunegypt • Apr 04 '24
Hasbara Someone from Los Angeles trying to explain why Palestinian land belongs to them would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.
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u/nambi_2 Apr 04 '24
These people are the armpit of society
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u/Ok_Prior2614 Apr 04 '24
Imagine thinking you’re native to a place that literally gives you sunburn if you stay outside too long.
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u/Low_Banana_1979 Apr 04 '24
Lol, Muricans. Been doing that since 1620 (including the genocide part, ask Native Americans).
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u/Ok_Prior2614 Apr 04 '24
I’m part Native American so I’m well aware 😭
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u/Ok_Prior2614 Apr 04 '24
Yeah I’m Blackfoot and Cherokee. And obviously African American. The disdain for the pale man runs deep in my blood lol.
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Apr 05 '24
Understandable! Same as the Southerners disdain the Yankees.
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u/Ok_Prior2614 Apr 05 '24
Or Palestinians to Israelis. I feel their pain in part. It’s maddening to watch
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Apr 05 '24
No, Palestinians haven't lost. They're still fighting and the tide is turning for them.
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u/Ok_Prior2614 Apr 05 '24
I agree and I haven’t said they lost though lol
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Apr 05 '24
Sorry, I thought you had compared the Palestinians to the US southerners and Native tribes.
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u/ThornsofTristan Apr 04 '24
Yes, his little book with the Bronze Age land disputes is going to rationalize genocide. It's how things work.
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u/The_Aesir9613 Apr 04 '24
He references it like it's some sort of peer review science article.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Apr 04 '24
Like he's
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u/Low-Werewolf-3547 Apr 05 '24
At this point even liberals do it, just because it serves their rulers.
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u/Sh1traeliN4zis Apr 04 '24
What is it with these dipshits and mental gymnastics
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u/Dockhead Apr 04 '24
They’re working their way backwards to justify something they wanted to do anyway. That basically requires mental gymnastics, because the “effect” (their actions) precedes any “cause.”
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u/VictorianDelorean Apr 08 '24
They know what end goal they want to accomplish, and now they’re grasping for the means to justify it and make it happen.
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u/jonnytechno Apr 04 '24
And at one point the land was called Rome.... can Italians go back?
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u/ShipCharacter Apr 04 '24
It was never called rome it was called judea the kingdom of israel and was changed to palestine by the romans
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u/hunegypt Apr 04 '24
Before the Kingdom of Israel, the Assyrians and the ancient Egyptians also held territories in todays Palestine so with Israel’s logic and the right to return, Assyrians from Iraq or Egyptians could return and displace anyone.
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u/yellowfellow11 Apr 04 '24
It’s a joke referencing how many different empires have ruled over the land of Palestine. Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans, and more. Zionists have as much of a claim to the land as the rest of those groups. How much claim do the zionists and the rest of those groups have? Zero. Because it only belongs to one people who have remained throughout the rules of all those empires, Palestinians.
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u/Fairy-Cat-Mother Apr 04 '24
Ah it seems you have been reading from the same book as the Californian.
Ancient Greeks called the land Palestine, and Romans loved to copy the Greeks. You can look it up, there are surviving documents from some pretty well known dudes… Herodotus… Aristotle… Ptolemy…
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u/SovelissGulthmere Apr 04 '24
Weird how so many blank reddit accounts appear in threads to defend genocidal Israel. I can't wait until the US stops supporting yall's bull shit.
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Apr 05 '24
🤡 Abraham was Babylonian. Can all Iraqis go put Israelis in open air prisons under blockade and reclaim their ancient homeland?
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u/matterforward Apr 05 '24
Humans have been around for 300 000 years ish and Judaism is 3500 years old. What was it called 5000 years ago lol?
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u/Deldenary Free Palestine Apr 04 '24
Wait till he finds out the Palestinians are the same people just with a different religion. They aren't mentioned in his holy book because it was written before Muhammed was born...
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u/Xper10 Apr 04 '24
I think Palestinians are much more native to the land
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u/Arktikos02 Apr 04 '24
Being native to the land doesn't justify displacement no matter who it is.
The problem, isn't with Jewish people simply living there, it's with people coming to the land, installing a country that the people already living there didn't want, stealing people's houses who already had people living in them, and then also just wrecking people's houses.
If I wanted to live in another country, then I would have to get a visa, and then go there, and then prove that I'm not going to be a dream on the welfare system, and then possibly get a job, oh and I have to have a work visa of course, oh and if I want to actually live there, I'm going to have to find available living space. If I want a house, I'm going to have to find a house that is already available. Same thing with an apartment or anything else.
There is nothing wrong with people wanting to move to other parts of the world.
That is not with these people have done.
They have installed a country onto the land without the consent of the people who are living there, those people are expected to just accept things and take it when they didn't even ask for this, and they are having their homes taken from them by the country they didn't ask for nor are they allowed to have representation in.
The reason why these people are committing genocide is because they know that if they just let things be and just went to the land but not on their terms, then they would be out numbered.
People who install ethno states believe that other ethnicities also want to install ethnostics so they fear other ethnicities.
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u/Deldenary Free Palestine Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24
They are both people, sure some are terrible people but dehuminization cannot fight dehuminization.
For example this is a person of the American islamophobic zionist variety.
Edit: i see you editing your comment to change it..... for anyone wondering why my reply makes no sense it was a reply to a now changed comment saying israelis aren't people....
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u/Talebawad Apr 04 '24
Well ofcourse they are people ,only people could do such a horrible thing to other people.
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u/Stupid-RNG-Username Apr 04 '24
Christians will play mental gymnastics saying that the Palestinians have no right to live in the region.
Meanwhile there are Palestinian Christians whose families have lived in places like Bethlehem for countless generations and may even have ties back as early as Christ himself. But sure, they don't deserve to live there.
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u/IAMADon Apr 04 '24
Ancient Israel and Judah didn't even exist at the same time as Judaism.
It seems they think followers of Yahwism became followers of Judaism, then time froze making it impossible for people to switch religion again at some point over the next 2,000 years.
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u/uguu777 Apr 04 '24
nearly half of Israelis consider themselves secular, but then tell you with a straight face that God gave them the land like it should hold any weight ???
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u/Lamont-Cranston Apr 04 '24
Zionists don't believe in God, but they believe God gave them Palestine. ~ Illan Pappe.
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Apr 05 '24
The popularity of atheism among Israelis often comes as a real shock to the average American, particularly the Evangelical types. If more knew, I wonder if they'd surrender the pro Israel position. Prob not, but you can dream.
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u/Confident_Exercise_4 Apr 04 '24
So Native Americans can displace any Jewish person in the United States on the basis that it’s their ancestral homeland.
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u/juicer_philosopher Apr 04 '24
Israel has the highest concentration of personality disorders. The delusion of grandeur would be funny if they didn’t have nukes
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u/MiserereMeiImperator Apr 04 '24
Tunisians should be able to move to palestine because of ancient phoenicians being there first
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u/frenchbread_pizza Apr 04 '24
Even if I had some ancient claim to a land why the hell would it be okay to murder the people living on it?
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u/ok_okay_I_get_that Apr 04 '24
"How does it sound to you that Judea doesn't belong to the Jews? It just doesn't sound right."
Sounds pretty fucking stupid argument to me, for instance:
There are places called Danville, some guy named Dan can't just go claim it.
Native Americans were kicked off their lands, an they just walk back and reclaim it? Not without bloodshed.
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u/Daleksareinthetardis Apr 04 '24
Nudnicks and Schmucks and I hope they find me saying it offensive; Yiddish a language that originated in Europe where their ancestors were from.
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u/brmmbrmm Apr 04 '24
These rotten little people. It would be hilarious if they weren’t killing innocent children to feed their mania.
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u/Ironbil Apr 04 '24
So Charlie Kelly's character from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is based on a real person
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u/Majestic-Point777 Apr 04 '24
These people are just so unhinged. Like it blows my mind how the world has gone along with this utter nonsense for so long.
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u/Shoddy-Zone-9123 Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 07 '24
Manifest destiny right here. I think it’s mine. Therefore, it is motto of Israel.
God willing Palestine week free in our lifetime 🌍❤️🇵🇸
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u/SirTitan1 Free Palestine Apr 04 '24
Authoritiee of Los Angeles area not allowing them to dig tunnels in their city , so they are coming to Palestine to dig tunnels and do Talmudic pegan rituals inside the tunnels.
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u/CandyEverybodyWentz Apr 04 '24
NYC didn't let them dig tunnels either, didn't stop the freaks at 770 Eastern Parkway from doing it all the same
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u/hierarch17 Apr 04 '24
Do these people not understand that places have their names changed all the time? I do not understand how you can possibly think that because people with the same religion as you from a thousand years ago gives you any claim to a place
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u/Lamont-Cranston Apr 04 '24
it's a word game
Yes renaming something to claim it for yourself is indeed a word game.
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u/AriaBlue3 Apr 05 '24
It’s funny that they use “el” in the name when they has been used to refer to so many different gods. “It’s the promised land!” From which god? You sure it was high enough on the totem pole to give you anything? 🤣
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u/scaramangaf Apr 04 '24
You know, give some credit to the church of scientology. At least they're not murdering people and stealing their lands.
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u/Negative_Courage_461 Apr 05 '24
"if you look closely in this 3000 year old book, you can see why its okay for me to kill children and take land from its inhabitants without feeling the slightest bit of guilt!"
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u/Heiselpint Apr 04 '24
So I guess Romania belongs to the....romans??? France belongs to the....germanic tribe of the Franks?? Should the Germans invade again?? Venezuela belongs to the Venetians and of course, America is named after an Italian, so AMERICA GOES BACK TO THE ITALIANS, that's a logic as solid as water is.
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u/Advanced-Duck-9251 Apr 04 '24
All humans originate in East Africa. How about we take it over and drive out the people that currently live there. Who's with me?
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u/BasedNas Apr 04 '24
Of course! Who could argue over a nation’s living space! A peoples needs their living space in order to fully exercise their agency! Living Space! LEBENSRAUM! Why are there so many antisemites against our lebensraum!!! 😡😡😡
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u/skarkeisha666 Apr 04 '24
Next time I hear a zionist talk about how Palestine belongs to them by right of heritage, I'm going to ask them if I have the right to go take land in Anglia.
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u/Eizlan56 Apr 05 '24
They forgot they are Europeans origin🤦 Also forgot Israel exist in 1948 They didnt exist before 1948
Even they forgot Palasthu and Peleset are actually ancient language to refer the region, like Assyrians call the region Palestine in their own language, Palasthu
Even predates the term Judea🙄 and have more historical evidence than Israel does
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u/Acrobatic_Set6420 Apr 05 '24
Also there was many israeli jewish kingdoms up until a few centuries ago and many jewish communities in palestine before 1900, and jews do not come from europw
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u/malry Apr 04 '24
What is this from? Would like to watch more
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u/SorinofStalingrad Apr 04 '24
Saaame
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u/therealbigwayne Apr 04 '24
I have the ultimate respect for all religions, but the Torah is not a deed to lands nor legal documents. They are stories about how to conduct oneself, antique stories about the tumultuous relationship between man and god, and trying to teach the followers to be better citizens (in some cases). This in fact is echoed by true followers of the book who are against Israel and Zionism.
Theodor Hurtzel, a polish jew, terrorist, and father of Zionism, is the one who changed the narrative by hijacking the religion for political and monetary gain (enjoyed by his successors).
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u/thisjustemp Apr 05 '24
“Hey, remove yourself from your house. God gave it to me 3000 years ago. I’m here now to reclaim it.”
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u/Competitive-Air-8145 Apr 05 '24
Not even an Israeli. Just another American seeking a vacation home. The American sense of entitlement is incredible.
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Apr 05 '24
They are Americans stealing private property. The right to private property is enshrined in the US Constitution. Why can't the US revoke these Zionists' passports?
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u/Beep_boop_human Apr 05 '24
A scene stuck in my head after watching that documentary Israelism. The bit where the Palestinian American guy talks about an American Israeli solider yelling and screaming at his dad and being shocked when he hears an American accent back.
Both the father and the solider were dual citizens. I think about it because had they been back in America and they likely would have passed each other on the street without issue. Stand in the same line for coffee, maybe make small talk. In this place, though, he gets to treat the man like a dog.
So I think about the soldier going home to see his family. Waiting in line for coffee again. Pretending to be human, again. It's so hard to imagine that sort of person. And yet...
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u/Arktikos02 Apr 04 '24
Okay if you take a look at the map that shows the promised Land as described in the Bible, it takes up areas of Jordan, some parts of modern day Türkiye. Oops.
Do they get that land too?
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u/Lamont-Cranston Apr 05 '24
There are people who argue for Greater Israel or "Eretz Israel" that do indeed make such land claims. Last year Bezalel Smotrich gave a talk in France standing at a podium drapped in a map depicting an Israel incorporating Jordan and parts of Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.
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u/Arktikos02 Apr 05 '24
Are any of these people people who said that on the record? I'm not doubting what you're saying, I just want to sort of have it in my tuck away, so I can sort of bring it out when we can finally say "called it".
Like, are these people on the fringe just sort of no names on the internet, or are there like TV people?
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u/Lamont-Cranston Apr 05 '24
Is standing before a map being on the record? https://archive.md/wip/f2Bgf
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u/ShmokeyMcPotts Apr 04 '24
Religion is a mental disease.
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u/Arktikos02 Apr 04 '24
No it's not.
That's incredibly stigmatizing to people who have mental diseases and also it suggests that if they did have a mental disease that it's okay to basically treat them bad or whatever which is not the case.
Zionism is a political and philosophical ideology and that is it.
It is not a mental disease. It is a system and an ideology of control, with imperialistic and colonial roots.
It is an ideology that is rooted in the uneven distribution of resources.
Many of the problems that come from things like mental illness and stuff come from a misalignment in what a person ought to do versus what a person wants to do.
This can be even worse with stigma because it means that a person is less likely to do what they ought to do.
If for example what they ought to do is go seek help or treatment, or if they need to apologize to someone, or if they need to admit that they can't do everything, or they need to ask for help, or stuff like that, they are less likely to do those things if those things become stigmatized.
Not only that, but it is also been shown that in countries that have higher rates of religious practices, it tends to be countries that are really terrible economically.
Countries like Denmark have lower religious numbers not because they are more educated, but because they have better economics. Yeah, the country with the government that gives them stuff like good health care and good education don't need to believe in God, they can literally just believe in their government.
Countries with lower religious numbers are also countries with better economics, better social systems, and better resources for people.
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u/ShmokeyMcPotts Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24
Well I am a person with plenty of mental ilness. It is even classified as a disability herer in the states i personally feel no qualms with calling a delusional belief system that you base your entire way of life on a mental illness.
Well maybe you should have to ask yourself why the most religuous places not obly seem to be the most backward economically but even worse socialñy as well.
Has religion made a positive impact im millions of peoples live?. Absoletly. Is it also used to control and manipulate millions of people to go against their oqb rationality and self intrests?
I dont get why smalker cults are chastized with brainwashing and the need for "deprogramming" delusions classified as mental illness but the larger ones we classify as religions are understandable. Just because they qere vetter st brainwashing and had longer time to grow seems like. I mean my entire country just celebrated national zombie day ala easter. Anywhere else that is lunacy.
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u/PrinceCheddar Apr 06 '24
This just makes me so angry. Islam is an offshoot of Judaism. It is Judaism with later additions. Any claim to the land Jews have are shared by Muslims. You share your god, you share your stories, you share your history up to a point. Anything before that point applies to both of you.
It's like killing your cousin to lay claim to your mutual grandfather's house, using your grandfather's ownership of said property to justify it.
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u/Consistent-Refuse-74 Apr 05 '24
When the guy said “my children”, I was like “the dude is straight?”
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