r/OnePiece • u/blading_wind • Mar 18 '22
Discussion We have already heard.... Spoiler
Something I haven't seen being mentioned here a lot, although Japanese fans are starting to catch on (thank you, Yuderon), is that the drum of liberation has been heard before in the story. I don't know what this means but SFX of "ドンドットット" / Dondottotto in chapter 1043 was used a few times in the skypia arc (and not always in a positive way)
Interestingly enough, it's not always been used in a positive context. 400 years ago in Jaya, it was used during human sacrifice. Maybe that could mean that Sun God's positive/negative energy comes in 400 yr cycles?
I also looked through a bunch of other party scenes and as far as I know, ドンドットット is only used in skypia before it's mentioned in Wano. What does this mean?????
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u/galmenz Pirate Mar 18 '22
my god, all roads lead to skypea huh
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u/blading_wind Mar 18 '22
yeah, and Jaya. or the Skull Island. but also the Moon. I'm very curious why Oda called "earth" "Vearth".
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u/doxthera Mar 18 '22
I only watched the anime adaptation of that arc and in English it sounded like 'Birth'. Is that different in the manga or did I misshear that.
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u/blading_wind Mar 18 '22
In Manga, Oda calls it Fairy Vearth (限りない大地) フェアリーヴァース which is weird because it phonetically sounds like “verse” or “birth”. Oda is into word play and puns so it definitely means something more but it’s up to the reader to figure out what he meant.
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u/doxthera Mar 18 '22
Ok cool haha in my mind i imagined that the skypeans called it birth because thats where life is from.
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u/blading_wind Mar 18 '22
It could be. I personally think it’s a word play on birth for the reasons you said, earth because duh, and verse because the entire arc is about song of the land/earth
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u/Tereshishishi Mar 19 '22
Fairy Vearth is not Earth, it's Moon.
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u/blading_wind Mar 19 '22
Yes that’s what we are talking about here, the moon. He could have called it fairy earth, but he made up a word called “vearth” to use instead of the real word “earth”
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u/notapunnyguy Mar 19 '22
Aren't there 7 moons in One Piece? Perhaps this 400 year cycle is talking about celestial eclipses where all the moons align and cause massive tides and tsunami eventually reaching the edges of the Red Line. Basically a massive be Aqua Laguna engulfing the earth. Also solves All Blue. Also same reason why Celestial Dragons live in Mariejois and possibly escape to space for a while. Could also be the reason why there are mechanized race on Vearth.
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u/stxrmmkr The Revolutionary Army Mar 26 '22
I wish i can find the post but there’s a theory that the solar systen model in ohara is Geocentric, not Heliocentric. OP world only has one moon, and we’ve always seen that moon.
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u/Loose_Truck8162 Mar 19 '22
Raftel originally was „Laugh Tale“ maybe Fairy Vearth is „very worth“ or something
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Apr 07 '22
I still think the lost civilization was Moon people aka Lunarians. So yeah, Skypea will be very important later on imo.
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u/sbsw66 Mar 18 '22
OP - I think you're onto something with the 400 years, for what its worth. I'm really glad to read someone else say something to this tune, because it's been kicking around in my head for a little while too.
Disclaimer - I'm going to mention a few things that I really don't have a super great backing on, and normally when talking theory, I like to have more evidence.
I think Noland was "a Joyboy". Noland's era seems to be something like the "moon" phase of the One Piece world. Binks Sake and Toki both make mention of people being the moon, or the moon rising, as if this is a trait ascribable to individuals or eras. Noland is like a weird inversion of Roger, he smiles just like Roger, has adventures just like him, but ultimately Noland's life ends in tragedy and the loss of his friend.
The Shandorans we meet in Noland's flashback are somehow related to the Ancient Kingdom. I can't put my finger on exactly how, but there's a lot of hints in this direction. By the time we meet them in Noland's flashback, they are already living on top of the Golden City, still using the name of Shandoria, but it appears that something or other happened which caused them to "break" from the old society. In turn, they carry on their myths and traditions, but lack the context for them, adhering to tradition only because it is tradition. Perhaps whatever started the Void Century is what caused this break?
400 is simply too neat of a number not to be recurring in some important way from my point of view. I just can't tell exactly how it plays into the story yet. But things absolutely seem to move on "cycles", and I think this is where the story is going to avoid the whole "destiny" trap - I would hazard a guess that none of these cycles are set in stone, and it all depends on who "wins" in the end - we're seeing the conflict between Luffy and Blackbeard to determine the "winner" of the next cycle, with Luffy being the sun, maybe Blackbeard being the moon?
I think everything about the moon is a bit off. Toki says "you are the moon unaware of the dawn" - who is she even talking to? The Wano citizens, Oden, who? Also, why were there way more moons in Ohara's library? Why do the Shandorians, Skypeians and Birkans COME FROM the moon but they don't seem to remember this? Why are the Celestial Dragons dressed like literal astronauts? Why is King's race called the "Lunar"ians? Is 'D' really a crescent moon, and if so, is it indicative of this duality between light and dark? Hell - why did the CP-0 agent have one black eye and one white, what is the symbolism there?
It's pretty clear SOMETHING is going on here, and the moon(s) are really important, but for the life of me, I cannot come up with a coherent thought. However, I'm glad more people are picking up on this, and I've wanted to talk about it for a long time. There's definitely a cycle at play here, and Noland and Luffy are really from the same 'lineage' I bet.
edit: Wait - the drums playing in the Jaya scene are immediately before Noland shows up. Maybe it's not negative? Maybe Noland's heart beat with the drums of liberation, the same way Luffy's does? Yeah, I know they are playing actual drums in this scene, but perhaps that's what we are supposed to take away here?
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u/blading_wind Mar 18 '22
Yeah I agree with many of your points. Noland was a foil for Roger. I can definitely see that. The whole moon motif is very interesting, partly because I guess there used to be several moons around the earth also?! But I’ll add one last thing. In one piece, we almost never see stars in the night sky. Which is simply weird, and I don’t think it’s because Oda was too lazy to draw stars
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Mar 19 '22
If Luffy doesn't go to the moon at some point, I will feel underwhelmed with the story because moon has been heavily foreshadowed.
But if we add moon to the story, OP will probably end in 2035.
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u/DASreddituser Super Spot-Billed Duck Troops Mar 26 '22
What if the moon comes to him?
laughs in Majora's Mask
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u/Murphy_LawXIV Mar 26 '22
Tbh, didn't Roger get an incurable disease? Then was executed, and have to give up his son, and leave his wife to defend herself after his death.
His dream to find One Piece failed because he was too early, even though he did everything right.I don't think you can really say Roger's life wasn't a tragedy just because he was the strongest and had a great crew. He had Tons of shit happen, it's just that he smiled through it all.
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u/Asian_Persuasion_1 Mar 19 '22
800 years ago, joyboy
400 years ago, nika?
today - straw hat
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u/Kalayo0 Mar 19 '22
You might be on to something there. Just different iterations of the destined one.
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u/Exsces95 Mar 18 '22
So CLEARLY its Usopp who is playing the drums in the first skypeia campfire party. THEREFORE Usopp is CLEARLY Joyboy. No doubts about it in my mind.
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u/blading_wind Mar 19 '22
I dunno, I think the whole story is told from Usopp's perspective, TBH. He's the one to pass down the "Legend of Luffy"
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u/CarelessRaspberry695 Mar 19 '22
We have to ask if sun god nika and joyboy are the same
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u/Exsces95 Mar 19 '22
How I understand it:
Joyboy was Joyboy (obviously) but Joyboy wasn't Nika. Luffy would be both, if that makes sense.
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u/CyanGoat Mar 19 '22
Hey, I posted my theory about Joyboy's connection to Skypiea/Jaya yesterday. Maybe you'll enjoy my take https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tgmk6k/theory_someones_originspoiler_chapter_1043/
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u/NBA_Pasta_Water Mar 18 '22
I wonder if they Olmec are basically supposed to be the people from the void century. The architecture in Skypeia looks like Ancient South American including that weird bird. The Olmec are also known as “the rubber people” because of their utilization of the latex tree and the moon flowers juice to create rubber. Their civilization also mysteriously vanished
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u/blading_wind Mar 18 '22
Could be one of the inspirations. It was always strange to me that Luffy is supposed to be from Brazil while Zoro is from Japan. Oda clearly had some South American inspirations for Luffy / One Piece even at the inception stage
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u/SpiritualScumlord Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover Mar 19 '22
It's the sound of drums lol.
It's nothing to lose your mind over
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u/Devil_BHANU Mar 19 '22
400 yrs cycle reminded me of the anime "yu no" which mentioned about 400 year cycle of japan
The whole anime was based upon the 400 yr cycle
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u/Many_Diamond_9115 Mar 19 '22
It's full moon that's why those Minks can turn to Sulong form.
I think you might be right after all.
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u/EngMoyes Mar 18 '22
Interesting!
Nika could only appear every 400 years. Because, Roger and Oden said they were early on there last voyage. And he knows that the next time Nika will appear will be on Wano after 20 years.
Somehow Roger, Kaido & Oden know that information of JoyBoy returns. (Both Time and Place) they just didn’t know who and whom?