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u/mustangcody 2d ago
Whos the girl with the weird looking axes? Cut champion?
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u/SCHN22 2d ago
Nah jungle's been a shit role since jungle pets and rye map changes were added.
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u/Sk4rs3 2d ago edited 2d ago
Everyone has their own bias so it's hard to pinpoint exactly the main problem here but I partially agree with you. I wish jungle pets spent more time in beta before releasing such a systematic change. They claimed the new system was gonna make jungling easier for every champ but it ended up making already good champs fucking busted while champs like warwick sucked so bad in following patches the champ-select thought he's a top laner.
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u/MissSpidergirl 2d ago
Which jungle champs became busted?
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u/Sk4rs3 1d ago
Lee, J4 and other champs that are good at ganking. Jungler's economy consist of money from ganks and farm. Champs with strong gank should have weak clear speed and vice versa. But when jungle pet came everyone got their clear speed significantly improved. Fiddlesticks and Karthus with double camp clear can do 6 camps in 2:30 so they removed the double camp clear mechanic. So now almost everyone can full clear at 3:30 with leash, people complain about how junglers get so much money (which is only true for those that are good at ganking, others are kinda mid). So they nerfed the money you get from jungle camps, making it even harder for champs with weak ganks and strong clear to compete. When lee sin and fiddlesticks have roughly the same clearing speed, why would you even play fiddlesticks since lee can gank so much more frequently and make more money for himself and his teamates?
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u/MissSpidergirl 1d ago
This tracks thanks for the explanation. I thought Warwick was sick at ganking though. Maybe I am tripping.
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u/Sk4rs3 1d ago
His gank is kinda average in my opinion. The main reason he sucks is that he lacks aoe so he needs tiamat on first recall. Before jungle pet update, if u do 6 clear and scuttle, you'll have 1100 gold so you only need 1 assist or overstay for 1 camp to get enough money for tiamat. After the update, you only get 900 so you need 1 kill or overstay for 2 camps which is much longer, and not every first gank is a guarantee kill. The jungle pet's aoe isn't a valid replacement for tiamat (altho it was supposed to ) and Warwick without tiamat clears camps VERY slow. I love my boi ww but they hit him like a dog runned over by a bus.
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u/The_Wildperson 2d ago
If you haven't died to baron, don't call yourself a jungler