r/KyleKulinski • u/DataCassette • 4d ago

Current Events Even some leftists were saying Trump is the "peace president."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-panama-canal-turning-point-usa-phoenix-rcna185232
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u/DataCassette 4d ago

Why did anyone ever believe he would be more peaceful? The 2024 election was a stunning case of collective brain damage.

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u/SafeThrowaway691 4d ago

Am I the only one who remembers him campaigning on the promise to murder civilians family members of terrorists in 2016?

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u/Conservativeguy22 4d ago

Nope I remember him saying it and I was appalled

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u/Dehnus 4d ago

COVID and the politicizing of it just ruined many people's brains.

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u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat 4d ago

Why did anyone ever believe he would be more peaceful?

Because Trump claimed to be anti-war while Harris ran her camapign with neocon Liz Cheney.

Trump is a total fraud, but he is a political genius who knows how to appear anti-war to enough people while also continuing a neocon foreign policy.

Harris was unable to articulate why Trump was a fraud & how she would have a better foreign policy.

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u/DataCassette 4d ago

He nearly started a war with Iran during his first term. How does he get to endlessly play the "outsider" card? If they repeal term limits people will act like he's an outsider in 2032 I STG.

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u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat 4d ago

How does he get to endlessly play the "outsider" card?

Because he:

  • is excellent at branding
  • benefited from not being in power for 4 years
  • his rhetoric & style is anti-establishment
  • is willing to endorse anti-establishment policies (while not following through, which is the faux economic populism, the faux anti-war stance, etc)

That being said, some of his supporters are absolutely anti-war. I would wager that 2/3 of Americans want a dramatically more peaceful foreign policy.

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u/DataCassette 4d ago

"Let's stop all this corruption and just outright let the oligarchy rule" is a type of reform I guess lol

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u/pulkwheesle 4d ago

Don't forget:

  • Voters are dumb as fuck and do zero research about anything before casting a vote.

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u/Wootothe8thpower 2d ago

I got falling for it last time. but we saw him be president fir 4 yeara

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u/forbidden-donut 4d ago

I don't blame normie swing voters for thinking Trump is anti-war, but commentators who analyze politics closely for a living (Greenwald, Dore, etc) should know better.

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u/gabbath 4d ago

They do, they just lie for money.

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u/pulkwheesle 4d ago

On the one hand, blaming them is useless and won't cause us to win future elections. On the other hand, I do blame them and it is absolutely their fault for doing zero actual research before casting a vote.

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u/InngerSpaceTiger 4d ago

Populism can be a real mixed bag sometimes. A real wild card. It can lead people to class consciousness and solidarity, other times it can lead to leftist thinking Trump will be a “peace president” because libs bad or something.

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u/pulkwheesle 4d ago

The problem is that Trump's populism is 100% fake.

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u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat 4d ago

other times it can lead to leftist thinking Trump will be a “peace president” because libs bad or something.

Anti-war sentiment is high among all political ideologies these days.

Trump appealed to these people while Harris embraced Liz Cheney & refused to separate herself from Biden.

Trump is a total fraud, but Trump doesn't win if the Democrats embrace a peaceful foreign policy & economic populism.

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u/VibinWithBeard 4d ago

Tankies arent leftists...

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u/DataCassette 4d ago

Yeah "peace" in the language of tankies basically means "he'll weaken the United States by being stupid and crazy."

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u/Dantheking94 4d ago

Nah I’ve heard Palestinian protestors say he was anti-war too. I’m not sure if we’re calling those folks tankies,but that was some of their rationale.

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u/VibinWithBeard 4d ago

Palestinian protestors arent inherently leftist, and the ones that claimed to be leftist who were spouting that were the likes of Jackson Hinkle...who is just a conservative.

Like wasnt one of the muslim orgs in michigan calling him anti-war literally also massively homophobic?

Like Im sure there were plenty of leftist palestinian protestors...Im just not quite sure about those being the ones to say Trump was anti-war.

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u/Dantheking94 4d ago

That’s a fair assessment and reminder

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u/gabbath 4d ago

Hinkle is not just a conservative, he's one of the most cynical grifters I've ever seen. If he believes in anything, it's money. The man's a total void, so of course he reps fascism (with leftist branding but all the same).

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u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat 4d ago

Trump was the only candidate of the two that campaigned on being anti-war.

Harris campaigned with Liz Cheney. Trump is a total fraud, but his fraud doesn't work if the Democrats run a decent campaign with a peaceful foreign policy.

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u/Wootothe8thpower 2d ago

only issue for every anti war thing he said he woukd say something crazy hawkish like invading mexico

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u/JZcomedy 4d ago

Yeah. The “Dumb Dumb Left”

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u/thelexstrokum 4d ago

They’re not serious people. You don’t drop the mother of all bombs if you believe in peace.

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u/LorenzoVonMt 4d ago

The idea that America has stopped being imperialist is laughable.

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u/Schondba56 4d ago

We've always been an imperial country, neither Trump nor Harris was gonna change that at all.