r/KyleKulinski • u/americanblowfly General Left of Center • Sep 25 '24
Current Events Chappell Roan says she will vote for Kamala Harris, explains why that doesn’t mean she’s endorsing her
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u/SeaBass1898 Sep 25 '24
I’m Hot To Go to the polls
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u/jaxom07 Social Democrat Sep 25 '24
I’ve literally never heard of her till today. Good for her I guess.
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u/americanblowfly General Left of Center Sep 25 '24
My wife loves her music, so I know most of her songs by default.
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u/PossibleVariety7927 Sep 26 '24
She is just another generic music artist who stood out by leaning into the gender war stuff. Which naturally attracts a large social justice following who are, you know, very serious about their purity politics.
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u/MrAflac9916 Banned From Secular Talk Sep 25 '24
I’m a big Chappell fan but she needs to just come out and say “look folks. Neither option is perfect. The Biden administration has funded countless war crimes in Palestine and I fear Kamala won’t be any better. However, it’s also true that Trump is not only worse on Palestine, but on literally every other issue, ESPECIALLY LGBT rights, which I care deeply about. Therefore, I am endorsing Kamala Harris, and also calling on her to stop funding Israel until they agree to a peace plan in Gaza and the West Bank”
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u/CanadianCommonist Sep 26 '24
nah tbh she shouldn't really speak cause she just comes off nonsensical. Watching her previous post, just made me go wtf is she even trying to say. She can't get her point across.
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u/Bleach1443 Socialist Sep 26 '24 edited Sep 26 '24
Agreed. This is why most celebrities stay out of politics or if they get involved it’s on like 1 issue or will just be a “Supporter” but won’t get hyper into the policy. The ones who do are fewer. Like there was the ad for Hillary all the celebrity’s did but they didn’t say shit about policy.
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u/LunaTheMoon2 Sep 26 '24
Look. As a trans person, this both sides rhetoric is pissing me the fuck off. She has horrible political analysis. It is possible to not endorse Harris but to acknowledge that she is better on every issue that I think Chappell genuinely cares about than Trump. Her saying "trans rights" after refusing to acknowledge that one side is clearly better is honestly the perfect representation of the median voter. I understand that both sides to need to be critiqued but one is worse than the other and she does not seem to acknowledge that. Or at least, she's not saying it explicitly, whether she privately acknowledges that idk cause I'm not in her head. But in either case, the position that best supports trans rights is encouraging people to hold their nose and vote Democrat this year and push for systemic changes, including electoral reform that allows for viable and non-grifter third party candidates.
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Sep 25 '24
this whole thing turned into a fucking streisand effect when all she had to say was "protect trans rights." i don't even know anything about her, i don't listen to her kind of music. why is she suddenly representing the whole lgbtq community? if there was an election i would've written in laura jane grace
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u/Impossible-Grape4047 Sep 25 '24
I ain’t listening to this whole rant. Is she really not endorsing Kamala because of lgbtq issues? That’s the one issue the Democratic Party is actually good on. I would’ve figured it’d be Israel.
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Sep 25 '24
i get the feeling she wants to say vote blue but her record label or agent or something won't let her bc how controversial it would be to someone no matter what but that's just me. but she basically says "trans people should make laws about trans people," "vote local," and "both sides have problems." the kind of "yeah ok whatever" slogan stuff you might expect from a normie. she made a bad video about not endorsing anyone, then another defending herself bc she was getting purity tested and called a republican, now she's like saying "vote left" without actually saying it. she basically walked into a beehive and doesn't know how to get out but doesn't want the bees to be mad at her before she figures it out but also doesn't want to admit she disturbed the bees.
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u/Ilovemyqueensomuch Sep 25 '24
You think her saying vote blue would be at all controversial with her fan base?
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Sep 25 '24
i don't, her record label might though. republicans listen to music, too.
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Sep 26 '24
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u/NeonArlecchino Sep 26 '24
Many conservatives don't realize Rage Against The Machine is talking about them and who they endorse. I doubt they know unless it's obvious or they're phobic enough to research before letting themselves enjoy a new band.
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u/Alon945 Sep 26 '24
it is also Israel. She said “fuck the right, but the democrats have a lot of issues too”
Which is an entirely reasonable statement the liberals are having a meltdown over.
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u/Bleach1443 Socialist Sep 26 '24
I think for some it’s not even Liberal but it comes off like a Very Green Party take at the start. She also just sounds a bit silly. “I’m not endorsing but I’m voting for Harris” That’s kind of still endorsing…maybe you just aren’t telling others who to vote for. And at one point she said the Dems are also transphobic or something…which again just isn’t true.
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u/Singularity-42 Social Democrat Sep 26 '24
Yeah this makes 0 sense. Fully expected Israel. But guess what, Kamala is ALSO much better on Israel.
Unpopular opinion, but I would actually prefer if Dems would be even a bit more moderate on trans/LGBT issues, as "they turning your kids gay/trans" is about the only thing the Reps got that legitimately can work on some more socially conservative normies.
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u/Impossible-Grape4047 Sep 26 '24
I agree with you on the Israel point. But I certainly understand if people have their hesitations about how she’d handle it.
I disagree about the trans point though. The democratic position is that trans people exist, and they deserve access to adequate healthcare and be accepted in society. The republicans have spun that completely reasonable position into “turning the kids gay and trans,” which is ridiculous. They should receive the criticism in my opinion, not the democrats.
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u/Singularity-42 Social Democrat Sep 26 '24
I mean I'm not disagreeing with you.
It's really more about messaging and especially how Rs spin and distort facts.
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Sep 26 '24
if the democrat party completely abandoned trans people republicans would still say they're transing the kids in schools and handing out surgeries like candy. it's their MO
they call even the most center right democrats radical commie marxist socialists
democrats put up a republican's wet dream of a border bill, republicans still say they want to flood the country with migrants and give them two votes and a welfare check
biden's son was a literal war vet, he raised the military budget and ended the war in afghanistan and they still call him a military hating warmonger
if the democrat party stopped including trans people in the very limited messaging they do for us, a lot of us would probably just leave the country bc we would have nothing protecting us.
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u/Impossible-Grape4047 Sep 26 '24
Yeah I completely understand. I just don’t think it’s good to turn our backs an already marginalized population because the other side is good at messaging/propaganda.
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u/Impossible-Grape4047 Sep 26 '24
We are a great disadvantage messaging wise though. It’s a lot more fun for centrists/apolitical people to engage with emotionally charged, hateful messaging than it is with real policy.
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u/SafeThrowaway691 Sep 26 '24
I can't remember the last time a Democrat brought up trans people. I only ever hear about them from right wingers who remain perpetually butthurt over their mere existence.
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u/NeonArlecchino Sep 26 '24
Tim Walz defended putting tampons in high school restrooms. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but that's the last time I remember one bringing up transpeople.
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u/ap0phis Sep 25 '24
Fuck yeah LJG
Re: this girl tho … she sounds pretty sophomoric here ngl
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Sep 25 '24
yeah she sounds like she knows her values (and they're good values) but doesn't know enough about how american politics really works, at least compared to how it's supposed to work, to say much beyond the surface level platitude stuff we all did when we were figuring it out. nothing wrong with it imo our political landscape is a fucking mess, but she kinda stepped in it taking it to tiktok where it was always going to get purity tested by the peanut gallery. it's definitely a learning experience for her. hopefully she doesn't take it too hard, she seems like a sweet girl.
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u/Illustrious_Bee_3649 Sep 26 '24
Why do people care what this person thinks about anything?
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Sep 26 '24
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u/Illustrious_Bee_3649 Sep 26 '24
I agree with you. I'm more asking like who the fuck is this and why does anyone care what she thinks about politics? I've seen this posted everywhere from the music sub to pretty much every political sub. Is she the president of somewhere in addition to being a musician? Who cares what she thinks about anything?
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u/gabbath Sep 26 '24
It's true, the Democrats failed you and they will keep falling short. So right now, your choices are between a party that will fail you and a party that will kill you. No silver bullets on the ticket, and you don't change that dynamic every 4 years at the ballot box: apart from smaller elections, there are other forms of organized activism that have to happen in between, which will happen much harder under the party that will kill you.
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u/Jeffwey_Epstein_OwO Sep 26 '24
Much more respect for Taylor Swift than this one right here.
If you’re going to come out publicly and say you’re not going to endorse Kamala because you have some issues with the left, but going to vote for her anyway, I’m seriously having a hard time believing that the motivation is anything other than attention seeking.
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Sep 26 '24
I don’t know who she is and i was okay i’m the same way, don’t agree with some weak shift on the left, then brought up trans stuff snd i was like woah woah woah, hold on..lol it’s cool we all have different opinions, hers is pro trans stuff, still should be voting left, in the primary she should vote for the pro trans candidate. Majority rules but, a dem is more likely to be fair to the trans community vs no respect until the right.
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u/Captainbuttram Sep 26 '24
I thought she got her point across just fine, libs just can’t stand to hear a criticism of their side lol
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Sep 25 '24
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u/Freezer_slave2 Sep 25 '24
…how else do you want people to talk in a video? Everyone uses their hands to talk.
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Sep 26 '24
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u/RocknRollSpinach Sep 26 '24
Yeah her gestures are a lot more jumpy and chaotic here than normal. Though she normally is a bit flamboyant with her speech, it’s exaggerated here because she’s upset
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Sep 26 '24
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u/RocknRollSpinach Sep 26 '24
Oh yeah I know what you’re talking about. Normally it’s done with some song, dance, or animated/sped up monologue they’re doing so it’s extra weird to see someone do it while seemingly trying to have a serious conversation.
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u/diefreetimedie Big Seltzer Sellout Sep 25 '24
Voting is not all we have right now though. There's plenty of work outside of electoral politics like working to build unions and protest movements and one side is markedly worse for these things outside of electoral politics.