Super weird i know. but curious to know which books get this label to you all. i’ve read so many books on israel’s treatment of palestinians. but kinda wanting to read the misinformation so i actually understand where the talking points are coming from and what they are based on.

I’m really curious to know if that is still practiced today.

I keep seeing this more and more post October 7th in favor of the Jewish people are indigenous to Israel narrative.

For the record, I do believe likely most of us if not all of us came from Israel 3500 years ago (potentially some converts, definitely intermarriage, no way to know what all happened ) but, obviously the diaspora happened and there are a lot of unique and rich Jewish sub cultures all around the world.. sub cultures which I see are now getting erased.

I’ve heard people say “well we were never really Russian, Ukrainian, German, etc.. they all hated us” or “Europeans expelled the Jews, we were never European” so now we eat Israeli food… speak Hebrew.. Israeli food which btw is not even uniquely Jewish, is largely from the middle eastern Jewish population and only sporadically unique to them…

Verses.. matzo ball soup, herring, gefilte fish… anything else I grew up with. Blitzes, borscht, grandparents speaking Yiddish and Russian. My grandmother wearing a babuskha. All the culture and history that was there’s.. that was adapted from their time in Europe specifically for the Jewish people there.

Being European isn’t about being “white”. My ancestors lived in Europe and they were a part of the place even if they weren’t excepted by whatever fucked up antisemites were running the show. The land was there’s.. they were killed and expelled in Germany and Russia and fuck anyone that tries to take that away from them. Tries to erase this as saying.. well they never belonged there anyway, they weren’t a part of it.. they really belonged in Israel.

I hate the way zionism, especially modern Zionism with the indigenous (but really blood and soil claim) erases my ancestors. Erases my grandparents and family. To me it would be like asking African Americans to reject their rich history and culture formed in America in favor of their native roots because America was their opppressor.

Russia and Germany fucking murdered my family members and expelled them. From their land. From their homes. Russia and Germany belonged to my family just as much as the racists and antisemites who were determined to keep the land Christian and “pure”. It’s fucked up that Zionism just lets them have it…

My blood is boiling. How dare they erase my family and culture and force Jews into a one size fits all box.

Israel often claims that Israel existing means all Jews can now be in tune to their heritage and cherish the history.

Yet most of the very religious Jews in Israel, regardless of of descent, even if they are Mizrahim or Sephardim, dress in 19th/early 20th century Polish Ashkenazi fashion. The assimilation into the dominant eurocentric western culture has not preserved, but extirpated most unique Jewish traditions from various different Jewish groups around the world.

At the same time Israel en masse constantly devastates historical archeological sites (primarily by bombing them), and the environment of this new land that they colonised (and continue to colonise). The famous example of the cutting of ancient olive trees planted by Palestinians illustrates a complete lack of genuine connection to this land, which is seen as an entity to be dominated and brutalised, to be colonised and settled.

What is the land they supposedly see as the "Holy Land" made into? a slew of shopping malls and car centric concrete wastelands.

When Israel was created by Zionist ashkenazim, it was created knowing that the lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries will be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state.” They were warned and knew that such a move would lead to geopolitical instability and that all Jews in arab countries would be seen as supporters of Zionism, that even Arab countries which previously maintained religious tolerance or had been on a path of progressive improvement would turn on Jews within their borders as a result

But this was all in line with the plan, as these people were intented as an underclass to be exploited anyway.

When Mizrahim got off the planes that brought them to Israel, first they were sprayed with the insecticide DDT to “disinfect” and “delouse” them. Then they were sent to live in transit camps known as ma’abarot — tent cities with no electricity, running water, or basic sanitation. Originally seen as completely inferior and barbarous, they were brought over with a false promise just to serve as an underclass of servants (thus the Israeli Black Panthers) for much wealthier Ashkenazi families.
Now, many decades later, a pseduo-acceptence has been achieved by assimilating into the monolithic Israeli western settler colonial culture, by Mizrahi kids just being told over and over again while growing up (including at school) that they are fundamentally different to and better than "the Arabs" (whom they share genetic ancestry and physical appearence with the majority of the time).

It's a twisted union through erasure of variation, assimilation and a shared sense of racist hatred directed at a third group. This is behind the general Mizrahi rightward political shift over the decades; attempts by Mizahim as a group to assert themselves as real Israelis.

Israeli culture behaves like any other racist colonial culture that has ever existed, it is alien to the land it finds itself in, it dominates and brutalises both the native inhabitants of this land (Palestinians) and the land itself, it appropriates some of the traditions of supposedly "savage", inherently "terrorist" Palestinians/Arabs (e.g. food) to be sold to tourists as curiosities and rebranded as uniquely Israeli culture (as opposed to non-speciifc and shared various various Arabs/Arabised peoples, but ironically not between European Jews and MENA Jews).

EDIT: minor edits were made post-hoc in a couple spots for the sake of better readability, and higher specificity/accuracy, for any future readers. 09/24

These are old videos of Netanyahu speaking in interview and speaking to US Congress. Notice how US did regime change in all of these nation which were a potential threat to Israel. in Iraq they never found WMD's, in Libya they killed a good leader Gaddafi(Libya abandoned their nuclear program decades ago innexchange for peace)and they can't touch iran because iran actually has WMD's program unlike Iraq & Libya.

Im sure Im not the first to see this foreshadowing of the last 100 years of palestinian/israeli history and the Books of Joshua followed by Judges. I looked around on Google and on this sub and didnt find anything so Im putting this idea out there for you...

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The early Zionists drew parallels between themselves and the book of joshua and likely took inspiration from the genocide of the canaanites at the hands of the israelites. At the beginning of Joshua the israelites are coming out of the dessert after escaping egypt (Foreshadowing the holocaust). God wanted to get rid of all of the canaanites because of how morally corrupt they were so he helped the israelites defeat them. God promised this land to the Israelites in this books and then after getting rid of all of the canaanites they split up the land amongst each tribe (Foreshadowing the war of 1948).

In the Book of Judges we are told all of these stories about how the israelites overtime became more and more corrupt and unethical. There are stories of tribe vs tribe annihilating eachother, gang rape and some really gory scenes. One of the main lessons to be learned from the book of judges is a warning of the corruption of the judges who were essentially the politicians. I see the Book of Judges as a foreshadowing of 1948 -> Present.

What does Judges tell us about how this war in palestine will end?

The story of Samson (aka: IDF) commits "an act of terror" with gods help and martyrs himself taking thousands of philistines with him to their death.