r/JewsOfConscience 8d ago

History "Taking Back the Narrative" is a self-proclaimed Zionist education initiative whose slogan is "There is no Israel without Jews, no Jews without Israel". What it has to say about Jews without Israel in Gaza over centuries is fascinating.

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u/Silver-bullit 6d ago

Whenever I try to bring up the good relationships between Jews and Muslims, I get downvoted, yelled at etc. Etc. The zionists need their enemy to keep things together. So sad…

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u/SirPansalot Non-Jewish Ally 5d ago

Yeah, Jewish-Muslim relations were for most of history in the last 1400 years much better than in Western Europe. (p. 681)

Sure, Islamic antisemitism had always existed, but it wasn’t the kind of absolute SEETHING active Jew-hatred you see in European antisemitism. (p. 680) It’s also worth noting that modern Muslim antisemitism takes more influence from European antisemitism than the antisemitism in its own centuries-old traditions.

It was actually in the form of contempt and disdain that was in the context of broader prejudice against dhimmis in general, not Jews specifically.

“Historians of medieval Islam, such as Mark Cohen and Hava Lazarus-Yafeh, claim that ’despite the theological intolerance that Islam shared with Christendom, the Jews of Islam experienced far greater security and integration with the majority society than their brethren in Europe’ 24 The Jews were indigenous inhabitants of the area, not as in western Christendom, and they shared their dhimmi status with other non-Muslim groups. Moreover, pluralism and religious heterogeneity were engrained more deeply in Islamic than in European society. ‘As a result, Muslim religious discrimination was directed at the dhimmi class as a whole, rather than at the Jews in particular. Therefore, ‘the negative psychological impact of second-class status was substantially blunted for the Jews’ 25 The gap between theory and practice made for a basically lenient, flexible attitude in many spheres, and for turning a blind eye to many practices which diverged from the desirable theory of holy law’ 26 Even in the later Middle Ages, when relations between Muslims and dhimmis deteriorated, ’nobody ever connected Jews with Satan ... or attributed to them any devilish intention’.27” (p. 681)

Fun fact: Ottomam-era Muslim communities learned the antisemitic blood libel trope from their fellow Ottomam Christian communities.

Similarly:

“A sea change in the attitude toward Jews came with the importation of European antisemitism by Eastern Christian priests and translators during the nineteenth century. 30 This was documented as early as 1955 by Sylvia Haim, who asserted that antisemitic dogma could not easily gain a foothold in countries where the position and status of the Jews, as well as of Christians, were clearly defined by Islamic law and depended on their religion.” (p. 681_

WEBMAN, E. (2010). The Challenge of Assessing Arab/Islamic Antisemitism. Middle Eastern Studies, 46(5), 677–697. http://www.jstor.org/stable/20775070

It’s very funny how Germany postulates a totally unique Islamic antisemitism being imported into Germany via immigrants when modern Muslim antisemitism wouldn’t have been possible without European and especially German antisemitism imported into the Middle East. Really going full circle there, I would say.

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u/Silver-bullit 5d ago

Wow, great post, thanks👍

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u/SirPansalot Non-Jewish Ally 5d ago

No problemo

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u/BolesCW Mizrahi 6d ago

photo-op with NK creep is a fail.