AlJazeera English

[u/Concentric_Mid]

Hi all, new member here. AJE is funded by the Qataris. What other arguments do Zionists use against AJE? I've heard people pejoratively use "AlJazeera watchers" as people who are biased, brainwashed, or ofc, antisemites.

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[u/Thisisme8719]

Al Jazeera English is funded by Qatar and appeals to sensibilities of left-wing anglophones. But they do include articles which highlight human rights abuses there and aren't more favorable to the Qatari govt than other outlets are. They can hardly be called a propaganda outlet like RT is with Russia.
Their reporting is in depth, they hire respectable anchors and journalists, hosts all kinds of guests etc. They have a left-wing bias that's unfavorable for Israel, but so what? Most news outlets have a bias, and people who attack them for their biases probably won't have an issue citing Times of Israel or even Jpost. Saying that they're "Qatari propaganda," "leftists," "anti-Israel" or whatever are just a low-level and crude criticisms that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Anyway part of media literacy is getting news from a variety of sources and biases while being mindful of it. It's why I'll read ToI and WSJ too.

[u/SirPansalot → u/Thisisme8719]

Holy moly, the way Hasbarists talk about it, (I searched up Haaretz in the Israeli subreddit and there was one post calling for it to be totally censored and banned while another said that it was “Al-Jazeera in sheep’s clothing,” I guess that tends to happens when you report the truth) you would think they’re a terrorist organization. The objective reality that they’re just a left-biased outlet with some government funding. (nobody gets mad at the state-funded American Broadcast Company or the Australian Broadcast Company for some reason)

[u/Thisisme8719 → u/SirPansalot]

I searched up Haaretz in the Israeli subreddit and there was one post calling for it to be totally censored and banned while another said that it was “Al-Jazeera in sheep’s clothing,” I guess that tends to happens when you report the truth

Yeah they trash Haaretz and point out how it's not popular in the country. But all that says is that the country is so right-wing and depraved that a liberal (not left) and paper is beyond the pale.
That's aside from it being the country's paper of record with the most influence on politics, international media, use in academia etc, and there isn't even a close second. I'd bet anything that Netanyahu reads it every morning even if it makes his blood boil.

[u/SirPansalot → u/Thisisme8719]

Your comment on how Haaretz is despised in Israel and yet too influential and important to disregard is so true, and reminds me of when +972 journalists and the WSJ confirmed that Israel and the IDF straight-up considers the “Hamas-run” Gaza health ministry to be the most reliable estimate of the death toll available since they regularly use it in their debriefings. (Even though multiple times it obfuscated and made public statements on how the health ministry is Hamas and thus totally unreliable - another thing is that Israeli numbers and Gaza health ministry numbers basically match. The only difference being that Israel massively crunches down the fighter to civilian ratio - see Lee Mordecai’s section on this https://witnessing-the-gaza-war.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Bearing-witness-to-the-Israel-Gaza-War-v6.5.5-5.12.24.pdf#page103 Same applies to Haaretz.

Your comments on the fanatically right-wing state of the country reminds of another comment by a commenter here (talking about personal experiences) on an earlier post this year on jewish institutions condemning the BBC for its “anti-semitism” who stated: a huge number of people can’t stand anything that’s left-wing of the Jerusalem Post, and that he had “acquaintances on the right” that see “the Times of Israel as too leftist for their tastes.”

[u/Thisisme8719 → u/SirPansalot]

the Times of Israel as too leftist for their tastes.”

😂
Ryan Grimm asked the political analyst or whatever from ToI (something-Gur, the guy with the trimmed beard) if calling him "right of Netanyahu" would be fair, and he didn't have a problem with it. But I guess since people like him aren't as batshit insane as Carol Glick they're too far to the left

[u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ → u/Thisisme8719]

Anyway part of media literacy is getting news from a variety of sources and biases while being mindful of it. It's why I'll read ToI and WSJ too.

Exactly.

[u/Concentric_Mid → u/Thisisme8719]

Great stuff, thanks!

[u/CarpeDiemMaybe → u/Concentric_Mid]

They’re not wrong about the issues on AJ in Arabic, which is much less biased/slanted to certain regimes/governments. However, the English version, which I believe has its own office separate from AJ Arabic, is pretty reliable

[u/Zellgun → u/Thisisme8719]

AJ Arabic is the one that is much more problematic in the same way as Hebrew news outlets are in Israel. AJ English is a great source as long as you’re clever enough to detect bias and do your own fact-checking.

[u/teddyburke]

It’s just because they’re one of the only English language news outlets that actually reports on what’s happening, and people in the West knowing what’s happening is bad for Israel. It’s that simple.

[u/Welcomefriend2023 → u/teddyburke]

THIS.

[u/SleazyAndEasy → u/teddyburke]

one of the only English language news outlets

There's a few others too that deserve shout-out

Democracy Now

Mondoweiss

Electronic Intifada

[u/Artistic-Vanilla-899 → u/SleazyAndEasy]

The Intercept

[u/SleazyAndEasy → u/Artistic-Vanilla-899]

100%

[u/Dyphault]

The stuff they report eventually makes it to the NYT 🤷‍♂️

[u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_]

The premise is lazy.

AJE does good reporting.

Do they have a bias? Of course. Every news outlet does.

I still cite corporate media even though I'm opposed to them.

The New York Times is still highly-regarded, despite their lies about Iraq, which helped mobilize for the war by amplifying the Bush administration's false claims about WMDs.

Which outlet is perfectly innocent in every fathomable way?

I would say most are better than the New York Times, since they didn't help mobilize for a war.

[u/Welcomefriend2023]

Zionists, like rightwing Trumpers, are afraid of people finding out the truth, so they label anything but their media as "fake news".

[u/SirPansalot → u/Welcomefriend2023]

I am reminded of a commenter on here on the BBC “anti-semitism” post that he had “acquaintances on the right” that cannot stand anything left of the Jerusalem post and who think Times of friggin’ Israel is too ‘leftist’ for their “tastes.”

[u/Welcomefriend2023 → u/SirPansalot]

I know an 80 yr old zionist who won't read anything but Arutz.

[u/SirPansalot → u/Welcomefriend2023]

Is Arutz like the Hebrew version of the Daily Mail or the New York Post?

[u/Welcomefriend2023 → u/SirPansalot]

Yep.

[u/Concentric_Mid → u/Welcomefriend2023]

Sheesh there’s more right of ToI?!

[u/Thisisme8719 → u/SirPansalot]

No, it's much, much further to the right of those and less serious journalism (NYP actually does hire good journalists, aside from being awesome with their puns lol). It's more like Breitbart, but the blatant racism and supremacy even make it similar to outright white supremacist outlets like National Vanguard. Arutz Sheva is worth reading in small doses because the religious settler-scum are such a powerful force in politics so you can keep abreast on what they're planning and how they influence different talking points. But as news it's below garbage.

[u/SirPansalot → u/Thisisme8719]

So it’s Hebrew Stormfront?

[u/Thisisme8719 → u/SirPansalot]

I mean it's not Stormfront, and it's not National Vanguard either. I only meant it was in terms of the explicit racism and supremacism, Kahanism, glorification of violence, veneration of settler terrorists and the Hilltop Youth etc. They're more blatant than far right outlets like Breitbart and Newsmax, which are bad enough as it is, especially if you read the opeds that they platform like this. But Arutz Sheva is otherwise like the latter by how they try to keep a veneer of being a news outlet instead of being solely hate sites like the former two.

[u/SirPansalot → u/Thisisme8719]

So it’s the Hebrew version of the National Vanguard/Stormfront essentially larping as the Daily Mail/New York Post? (Or some kind of news organization with at least a bit of credibility)

[u/touslesmatins]

Nobody ever says the American funded National Public Radio 

[u/acacia_tree]

I always hear "it's run by Hamas"

[u/ComradeTortoise]

The difference between "public broadcasting" and "state run media" is whether or not the US and it's allies like what the outlet has to say. Which is to say, that is just a propagandistic way of labeling your friends and enemies.

What really matters is whether or not the media outlet in question has editorial Independence from its funding source and journalistic standards. Al Jazeera has those things. They always have. And bluntly, the corporate media in the United States does not.

[u/Artistic-Vanilla-899]

I love it actually. Of course it's anti-Zionist, but it presents the differing perspectives than we are used to seeing in the English-speaking world.

They do have a lot of guests and analysts from Israel and America, including Zionists and sometimes their apologists.

It's not disinformation, although it is you could say slanted toward leftist Arab intellectuals.

The reporters and photojournalists I think are extremely brave and amazing at their work. It presents a story, then digs deep, extremely deep. There are segments and programs offering the counterpoint, and again, even Zionists.

I have it on on the background anytime I'm home.

They have incredible documentaries. The series on the 1967 and 1973 wars were phenomenal. There was a doc about the crew on board the US submarine that came under attack from Israel in 1967.

It definitely is biased, but it doesn't really misinform. It's hard to describe, I think. I come away with a more nuanced understanding of events and perspectives than presented in mainstream western media. For example, whether or not you love or hate them, the coverage of the killings of Sinwar and Nasrallah highlighted their significance to their followers.

Sometimes I'm even upset when they let apologists for Israel come on and spew their bs

[u/AlphaCentauri10]

They say this about people who Watch AJ English, they didn't watch AlJazeera Arabic hahahaha

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