r/JewsOfConscience Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

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Tried to educate a Zionist (I know lost cause but I'm still out here trying) and after about 11 sources that they refused to read and continually calling me a liar, this is how the conversation ended 🤣😭 Apparently the entire world news cycle is khamas 🙃 I just need someone to laugh with me at how ridiculous this is. Oh and he was talking about the recent looting problem, obviously not having read the article talking about how it was outside agents and Hamas killed 20 of them as they tried to leave.

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u/DewyPetrichorMorning Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

I had almost an identical response to someone saying everything was anti-Semitic…I said, “So Human Rights Watch is anti-Semitic, Amnesty is anti-Semitic, Save the Children is anti-Semitic, B’Tselem is anti-Semitic, South Africa is anti-Semitic, Jewish Voice for Peace is anti-Semitic, but the Israeli government, which has a history of lying, is the only one telling the truth?” His reply was “Yes.” No hesitation. 🙃

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u/Welcomefriend2023 Post-Zionist Nov 21 '24

My husband and I had this exact convo.

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u/KessaBrooke Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

He won't even respond. He's ignored every question I've asked in favor of just ranting about Hamas.

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Nov 21 '24

Have you also met liberal or centrist Zionists who respond with the same reply?

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u/jerquee anti-zionist ethnic Ashkenazi Nov 21 '24

People won't change unless they have motivation

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Nov 21 '24

The only plausible explanation is that these Zionists think that either Hamas has the money big enough to influence every global organization from the UN to the Papacy to undermine Israel & the Jews; or that there's some circle of rich Arabs (or Iranians, depending on the situation) backing Hamas who are doing the same. That much money is also used to fund some "Pallywood" propaganda, or any other bullshit.

Never mind that it's an "open secret" that Bibi had financed Hamas to control Gaza.

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u/KessaBrooke Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

That was literally one of the things I posted in the thread. About Bibi funding Hamas. But they just dismiss it without even reading. My autistic brain gets why but also does not fucking understand

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Nov 21 '24

Exactly. Despite all the evidence by experts, legit journalists, even the Pope, they've all dismissed it as "antisemitic conspiracy theories".

Even worse is when liberals or centrist Zionists dismiss these so-called theories.

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u/jerquee anti-zionist ethnic Ashkenazi Nov 21 '24

They are not motivated to understand

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u/a_f_s-29 Nov 22 '24

The irony is that it’s basically anti-semitism but inverted

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u/Altaltshift Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 21 '24

I linked this piece from NPR, where they talked to a representative from an org called Yesh Din about how the IDF rarely holds their soldiers accountable for what they do. https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1250417719/israel-military-idf-investigations-icc

I was told that Yesh Din cherry-picked statistics and was funded to be anti-Israel propaganda. So I said ok, where's the real statistics then? Of course the response was, I don't have time to find that, I'm busy.

Ok then, I'll keep believing Yesh Din if you can't back up your argument. It's ridiculous sometimes arguing with these people.

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u/springsomnia Christian with Jewish heritage and family Nov 21 '24

“The BBC is Hamas” is certainly a new one!

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u/KessaBrooke Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

Right? Their response was so silly.

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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

At this point everyone is Hamas...

It's really funny because they'll rhetorically pivot between "Hamas is a disgustingly violent Islamist organization, basically like ISIS, if you were in Gaza you'd be raped/pushed off a building/executed for dissent/etc" and "antizionist Jewish activists, feminists, Queers for Palestine, non-Arabs, non-Muslims, elderly Vietnam war protestors, police abolitionists, communists, and anarchists, are all HAMAS" like is it ISIS, or is it a very inclusive and diverse organization??? For the sake of argument, at least pick one 😭

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u/Welcomefriend2023 Post-Zionist Nov 21 '24

Everybody is hamas to them. The Pope too. 🤣 I am SO GLAD I never got sucked into the zionist cult.

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u/KessaBrooke Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

His next response killed me because I'm like, wait but you just said? Sir? Are you well? 🤣😭

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u/so_cal_babe Nov 21 '24

" after about 11 sources that they refuse to read and continually calling me a liar"

Vaccines. The existence of covid-sars and that people were indeed dying from it. Global warming. The Holocaust. 

What is with these modern day deniers? There's a whole class of people, all over the world, who refuse to believe the poisonous snake biting their own ankle. What is this head-in-the-sand phenomena?

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u/AlphaCentauri10 Anti-Zionist Nov 21 '24

Spreading the truth is never a lost cause, we do what needs to be done for the vctims, and that's the bear minimum: tell the truth about what happened, because when the other side resort to goebbelism to spread lies, the repeated echoing of truth is a must, and the voice of truth should be louder. Even if there is a smallest chance that one's mind can be changed, I'd say to at least try. If truth was a religion and I succeeded in converting 1 in a million to it, then I'd call that a win, my duty to the truth is not to convert people to it, my duty is to spread it whether other people accept it or not. (I'm a religious man, it's easier for me find a reference in religion, but I hope you can see the point that I was making)

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u/boyyhowdy Nov 21 '24

Uncle Leo Syndrome.

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u/Welcomefriend2023 Post-Zionist Nov 21 '24

Trumpers are like this too. Anything that goes against their indoctrination is "fake news" from "the liberal media".

One thing too: a lot of the zionists online are IOF paid to pose as various ppl to debate the public with hasbara. Unless its someone you know personally, don't waste your time debating unless you're doing it for the benefit of the lurkers.

Most ppl online don't post, only read. And this link is great for lurkers: http://www.truthaboutpalestine.com

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u/lolilololoko Non-Jewish Ally Nov 21 '24

My friend, Facebook Hasbaras are the most delusional people on earth 💀💀💀💀. There's no way you can get through them.