r/JewsOfConscience • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Jewish Anti-Zionist • Nov 17 '24
News Elderly woman attacks Palestinian woman & her husband at Panera Bread in Downers Grove, IL. - because they were wearing pro-Palestine clothing. Despite making a racist fool of herself, the elderly woman continued to attack throughout the video.
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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 17 '24
This is just a ridiculous incident and thought we should bear witness to it.
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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Nov 17 '24
What's horrible is how normalized attacks like these in the West. It's not ok to attack anyone else unless a person "looks like a Palestinian" even if they're not.
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u/groggysnowflake Non-Jewish Ally Nov 18 '24
I've been hoping to see some coverage about it or at least some updates on the matter.. I haven't yet since I first saw it a couple of days ago...
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u/groggysnowflake Non-Jewish Ally Nov 20 '24
THANK GOODNESS she was finally arrested. Panera workers came to her "rescue"🙄🙄
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u/Party_Bar_9853 Nov 17 '24
How people don't attack back is crazy to me, yall are either saints or im just a crazy person
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u/oncothrow Nov 17 '24
Because if they ever respond in self defense, then it's all over for them.
Dragged through the mud in the press (and let's face it, on reddit as well) at best, arrested at worst.
Ever seen footage of West Bank settlers attacking Palestinians? How the Palestinians do literally nothing and cannot take any actions of self defense?
The second they do, it's all over. They're arrested and taken away, or just straight up killed by the IDF. Here they'd be lucky if they didn't end up smeared in the press over it, and they know it. Tomorrow you'd be reading headlines saying:
Outrage as couple wearing paraphernalia linked to Hamas caught on camera assaulting elderly woman. ADL calls for harsher action on rising antisemitic attacks from Pro Palestinian activists.
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u/lucash7 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 17 '24
Ironic and hypocritical isn’t it? One side claims a right to self defense, but if someone defends themselves against them….well yeah.
Humans are weird.
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u/Party_Bar_9853 Nov 17 '24
But this happened in Illinois, she doesn't have the IDF here
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u/oncothrow Nov 17 '24
Doesn't matter.
Israeli football hooligans went rioting in Amsterdam, and the press literally took footage of them attacking people and recast it as attacks against them as headlines were blaring about a pogrom taking place.
That is the press that you're dealing with.
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u/throwaway_junk999 Palestinian Nov 17 '24
Regardless of the bad press we Palestinians get, I'm armed. I always tell myself that, should I ever be in a situation where I am attacked, I will loudly and clearly announce that I am armed and willing to defend myself, with lethal action, but I don't want to hurt anyone. Please fuck off, and don't make me hurt you. If they keep pushing, they know what they are getting themselves into.
I don't care what happens, tbh. I just want myself and my family to be safe, and will apply lethal force to achieve that goal.
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u/koi88 Nov 17 '24
I don't know where you live – but if you live in Germany, I suggest you behave like a saint. And record.
Police and press are not on your side.
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u/michaelkeatonbutgay Nov 19 '24
Well uh if he's armed hes not living in Germany, or EU, or basically anywhere except US
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u/koi88 Nov 19 '24
"Armed" can mean a lot of things, including a (legal) knife, an (illegal, but easy to get weapon like a) butterfly, nunchaku or a (completely illegal, but with effort and connections obtainable) firearm.
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u/NYCQuilts Nov 17 '24
They are people of color who know how America works and protecting themselves means they get arrested or worse.
She kept insisting that someone should call the police because she was pretty sure they would take her side.
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u/Garak_The_Tailor_ Nov 17 '24
Naah, there's no positive for this guy if that happens.Young brown dude defending himself by responding like that to an elderly white woman will only fuck him up. He did the smart thing and recorded and backed away.
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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Nov 17 '24
That's just life as a POC (especially male POC) in the west. Fighting back, especially against a visibly white woman, is like a guilty sentence in the media and acts as a representation of your ethnic group. Look at how everything in Amsterdam was spun. So you gotta either diffuse the situation or just take it.
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u/magkruppe Non-Jewish Ally Nov 17 '24
because they are not a threat tbh. this old woman is about as dangerous as a 13 year old
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u/Party_Bar_9853 Nov 17 '24
Id still smack a thirteen year old if they tried doing something like this
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u/AdultingDragon Nov 18 '24
Not trying to sounds dramatic but as Arabs, the only thing we’re allowed to do is die quietly.
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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Nov 18 '24
It's pretty instinctive to be running the risk calculation of "am I going to come off as aggressive" or "what if this gets spun the wrong way and plastered all over the news" or "what if other people nearby get mad and also pile onto me if I retaliate" tbh. I think a lot of people in that situation just want to calm the aggressor down and leave quickly without making a scene, because there's such a risk of legal trouble or a harsh police response, or even just someone filming it out of context and spreading it online as "hamas supporter TERRORIZES old lady at a coffeeshop!!" and ruining their reputation.
One time I got pushed over by a cop (fairly lightly, I wasn't hurt) and mid-fall I had the thought of "I have to fall backwards and roll to the side, what if I accidentally touch him and he takes it as assault?" haha. I actually preferred hitting the concrete at a weird angle, rather than trying to catch my balance and risking physical contact. I think the danger of future consequences is more prominent in people's minds than the danger from immediate aggression.
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u/gravityraster Non-Jewish Ally Nov 17 '24
He was so gentle with her
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u/Jessilalas Nov 17 '24
He was and only stepped in every time she went at his wife to block her
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u/Lamese096 Palestinian Lebanese Muslim Nov 21 '24
Also, just to add, his wife is pregnant, he didn’t want to risk things escalating and her getting hurt. The woman wasn’t aiming for him, she was trying to aim at his wife
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u/Jessilalas Nov 21 '24
Even if she wasn’t pregnant, he is a protector. ❤️ I can’t believe she was trying to throw hot coffee even.
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u/Lamese096 Palestinian Lebanese Muslim Nov 21 '24
I can’t believe it either and I totally agree with you.
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u/Educational_Board888 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 17 '24
People just watched this happen and didn’t help
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u/sugar_rush_05 Nov 17 '24
Ngl, she reminds me of my deranged aunt who casually says racist things about Palestinians.
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u/Random-weird-guy Atheist Nov 18 '24
It's unsettling the social unrest going on currently. So much prejudice, hate, double standards and manipulation. It's sad we can't see each other as simply humans with inherent rights and shared struggles. Truly sad.
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u/PhysicalWaters Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
The obsessive anger is getting frightening.
I just got a message from another anti-war redditor getting doxxed by someone convinced we are the same person. The harassment was so severe they deleted all their social media accounts and filed a police report. Be careful out there, everyone.
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u/IllStyle3634 Nov 20 '24
That's so scary. I'm glad they didn't fight back and was able to film it and I'm glad she was charged. If we all went around attacking people we didn't agree with, it'll be a sad world
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