Former Biden staff member Lily Greenberg Call, who resigned from her position in protest of the administration's active participation in genocide explains the 'Swap Your Vote' initiative.

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u/isawasin Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24

The initiative aims to pair uncommitted voters in swing states with Harris voters in solidly blue ones, even promising a 2-1 vote swap for the protest candidate of your choice in return for voting for Harris if participation numbers allow.The initiative aims to pair uncommitted voters in swing states with Harris voters in solidly blue ones, even promising a 2-1 vote swap for the protest candidate of your choice in return for voting for Harris if participation numbers allow.

I'm not American. This isn't an endorsement, or even a verification, but it's an interesting development. Who's too cynical to take this seriously? Who thinks it's worth a try?

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

I mean

It keeps Trump out, but also sends a signal to the Dems, so…I think it’s a good idea?

American Progressives severely lack any understanding of true intersectionality, so it’s not like the left wing could come together and pressure the Dems into turning away from Israel.

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u/isawasin Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

I think it's more indicative of what will be a spate of cold feet voting from at least a small percentage of the 3rd party bloc once people actually get into the booth than anything else. I posted this in another sub, and someone mentioned that this initiative popped up when hillary was running. I don't remember that, but, again, not American, so I wasn't paying that close attention. I only heard about this today, and it's pretty much too late. Also, honour systems in politics sound downright ludicrous.

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u/nikiyaki Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24

Yeah thats instantly my thought. This is made by people who want a certain candidate to win. Why would they give votes to someone else, even in a safe seat.

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

Honour systems?

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u/isawasin Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

You can't make people prove how they voted.

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

Ahhh Right

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u/touslesmatins Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

What signal does it send to the Dems, if they win while committing genocide other than "genocide is a winning strategy"

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u/HippoRun23 Nov 03 '24

Exactly. I understand the woman is trying to find a solution to this shit show. But sadly this sends the opposite message.

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

…good point

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u/AllYourBased Nov 05 '24

Maybe... but if the Dems lose, they're gonna jink to the right, not the left:

https://www.vox.com/politics/378977/kamala-harris-loses-trump-2024-election-democratic-party

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u/touslesmatins Non-Jewish Ally Nov 05 '24

Weirdly enough they'll also go to the right if they win, as they have been doing since at least 92

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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 03 '24

I actually commented on another post from this sub about tactical voting. I’m glad to see someone advocating it. It’s a pretty normal concept in other countries with more than 2 parties.

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u/ffiferoo Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24

Thank you for sharing this, I know there's really no good answer when both major parties basically have the same position on this issue, but obviously there are many other high-stakes factors as well and this feels like a way to recognize that while still sending a message.

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u/ninjapretzle Nov 03 '24

So keep the administration that you quit in power to stop the genocide? Got it ✅

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u/isawasin Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

It does seem like a desperate, last-minute compromise, but this is already maybe the most fucked up, lose-lose election in US history. If the 2 to 1 swap plan is for real, it could perhaps help a 3rd party candidate or 2 get to that 5% threshold. I'd love to know the official greens and PSIL response to this.

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u/theapplekid Orthodox-raised, atheist, Ashkenazi, leftist 🍁 Nov 03 '24

Yeah but I wouldn't trust that democrats in the "safe states" are actually going to vote third party. There's no incentive for them to do so.

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u/OpenAsteroidImapct Nov 03 '24

There isn't that much incentive for them to not do so either, and most people care at least somewhat about being a reasonable, decent person who keeps promises.

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u/octupiwallstreet Nov 03 '24

I have a friends who have done this and they've all followed through as far I know. It's pretty cheap to just vote Stein in a heavy blue state so most don't really mind

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u/redpandarising Anti-Zionist Ally Nov 03 '24

Honestly what are we supposed to do? This is a terrible timeline. We are all so anxious and heartbroken and hopeless. We don't know what to do.

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u/AlleyRhubarb Nov 03 '24

Who will be easier to convince to stop supporting the Genocide, Harris or Trump?

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u/HowAManAimS Non-Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24

I don't think America will be the ones to save Palestine. https://youtu.be/OQUK_wgNJhQ&t=3460

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u/YugoCommie89 Nov 04 '24

Neither. They're both hardcore Zionists who will back Isreal no matter what happens, except Democrats will throw around cringe Momalla jokes inbetween to make their genocidal intentions more palatable.

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u/sar662 Jewish Nov 03 '24

Harris. No doubt.

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u/nikiyaki Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24

Personally I think Trump will be easier to convince in a vacuum, but also easier to convince to start it again.

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u/halfpastnein Anti-Zionist Ally Nov 04 '24

what do you mean by in a vacuum?

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u/BodhisattvaBob Non-denominational Nov 03 '24

I just want it to be Wednesday already.

Actually, I just want it to be the early 90s again.

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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 03 '24

Idk, Clinton was also a massive piece of shit.

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u/BodhisattvaBob Non-denominational Nov 03 '24

You know what, Im gonna make a "Do you miss me yet?" Shirt with Clinton's face on it.

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u/halfpastnein Anti-Zionist Ally Nov 04 '24

hey Remember how just a few days ago Clinton was a huge asshole and justified the Genocide against the Palestinians

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u/HowAManAimS Non-Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24

No one will care what the protest votes say if it doesn't cost Kamala the election.

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u/LaikenJordahl Nov 04 '24

no one will care if they do

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u/HowAManAimS Non-Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 05 '24

Then why is AIPAC spending so much money on an election where both candidates support Israel?

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u/uhln Non-Jewish Ally Nov 04 '24

Bro if you wanna vote for Kamala just vote her. But don't vote for her because you want to save Palestine because both candidates will be on the Zionist side. The only thing that two will be helping the Palestinians in is sending them to the afterlife

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u/calcifiedNeurotic Atheist Nov 04 '24

the very nature of secret ballot voting means there is no way to enforce ballot “swaps” or the like. as a result the swap your vote thing feels very protestant. there is an obsession with relieving individual moral dilemmas based on unknowable inner states rather than actual collective effort (even if it’s as symbolic as openly questioning the infallible State of Israel’s existence). only an innocuous manifestation of said protestant ideology perhaps, but i think it is worth pointing out.

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u/LaikenJordahl Nov 04 '24

As an extremely reluctant Harris voter in a swing state (AZ), this strategy worked on me, and a few of my friends here.

I think it's helped many tortured-over-Gaza swing state voters like myself feel a little better about voting for Harris -- who still is unwilling to say she will take meaningful action to stop the genocide, but at least isn’t gleefully throwing us into fascism, deporting all our neighbors, hurdling us towards environmental collapse, etc...

I also don’t see a downside to drumming up more votes to Working Families Party or Green Party in safe states — good to move the needle towards five percent. Any notion that pulling enough votes from Harris in safe states could endanger the outcome or open up lawsuits is ridiculous, since she'll have to win the popular vote by millions to even have a chance at winning the electoral college, and the margins in a place like CA are so insanely massive that there is no risk of Trump winning.

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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

Sure. North Gaza will be filled with Palestinian corpses and Israeli settlers, but hey, I’m sure the dem establishment can be pushed left! The liberals will join us in the protests…right? Bc all of them will have be on the street with us to push Harris left on this issue.

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u/elieax Jewish non-Zionist Israeli/American Nov 04 '24

This was big in the 2000 election too.

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u/mathiswiss Nov 03 '24

So she actually wants the same government elected that made her quit because of the genocide they’re enabling?! Weird logic. Vote Jill Stein, that would be respectable.

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u/isawasin Non-Jewish Ally Nov 04 '24

I wonder if the people downvoting you did so because of the first sentence or the last.

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u/BarGroundbreaking862 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24

Brilliant

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u/lalochezia1 Nov 03 '24

Ths is great!

Activism Former Biden staff member Lily Greenberg Call, who resigned from her position in protest of the administration's active participation in genocide explains the 'Swap Your Vote' initiative.

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