r/JewsOfConscience • u/IWantFries21 Non-Jewish Ally • Nov 03 '24
News Jill Stein's running mate, Butch Ware, caught in transphobic comments
https://www.advocate.com/election/jill-stein-running-mate-transphobiaHe also recently said he believes in abortion limitations, and Kshama Sawant, who's been working with Jill Stein on her campaign, said that they know they will not win the White House - but they want to prevent Kamala from winning Michigan. Ergo, handing over a Trump victory. Trump's said multiple times he think Biden should've given Israel more help btw. There's a reason they've given him a settlement in the Golan Heights.
Jill stein has been posted a handful of times on here so I thought this would be a fair post to make. Who you vote for is a very personal decision and anyone can understand why you wouldn't want to vote for the Democrats. But if you're planning to vote for Jill Stein because she's the "greater good", please just look more into her and the Greens. If I had the time to post it all, I would. There's evidence there that she and much of the Green Party don't actually care about any of the issues that they talk about, and that Jill Stein really only runs as a spoiler candidate for the Dems - not because she's someone who actually wants to make change. She raised millions to recount votes in 2016 and to fund "voting reforms" and then those reforms didn't happen.* Jill Stein is just another corrupt politician, like the rest of them.
*Abortion video: https://x.com/Lis_Smith/status/1852086333717561528
*Kshama video: https://x.com/Lis_Smith/status/1843302682234437905
*2016 vote recount situation: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jill-steins-recount-fundraising-what-happens-to-leftover-money/
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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24
It just underscores how starved Americans are of actual left wing politics. I don’t begrudge anyone voting third party and can’t stomach Kamala’s genocidal commitments to Israel, but I also don’t understand how anyone could think trump would be any better on any given issue. He’s referred to people as Palestinian as an insult, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, he’s motivated by the thought of ethnic cleansing in Gaza to open up beach-front property and Netanyahu is eager for him to win. How do people not listen or remember any of this? I don’t think Americans understand tactical voting in the same way as people from other countries with more than two parties. In a country so large and electorally binary, it’s hard to find the grey area to promote change in an un-democratic system. But if you are left wing and can vote for Claudia de la Cruz in a blue state which would already provide necessary EC votes for Kamala, PSL can use that support to increase their funding. If you’re in a red state or a swing state, do you not feel the same moral imperative to block trump from not only accelerating the harm against all of Palestine, but also against the domestic poor, women, LGBTQ communities and immigrants? You can support third parties as tactical Dem voter by also sending resources to blue states for PSL. It’s not “vote with your dollars” bullshit, but supporting a developing grass-roots party infrastructure, while also voting to circumvent fascist accelerationism. God knows PSL needs donations more than the Dems ever have. Voting doesn’t have to “come from the heart”— it’s just the bare minimum part of your toolbox to have an impact on your state’s governance.
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u/Roy4Pris Zionism is a waste of Judaism Nov 03 '24
Oh gawd. I just had a vision of one of those ugly beachfront tower blocks in Tel Aviv, except it’s 50 km down the coast and it’s emblazoned with a huge ‘Trump Gaza’ sign.
Actually, does anyone here have Photoshop skills?!
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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 03 '24
Believe it. Gaza 2035 is the blueprint the Israeli gov has shitted out. With USAID funding, contracts are out for developing Gaza with new essential infrastructure. The multinational design firm AECOM has job openings on water projects in Gaza online right now.
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u/Helpful_Corgi5716 Nov 04 '24
There were events earlier this year in some temples in London, where a real estate developer was selling waterfront holiday houses in Palestine- in full anticipation of exterminating the residents.
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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 04 '24
It happened at a synagogue in Los Angeles too. Utterly shameful behaviour in a place of worship
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u/soonerfreak Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
Remember when Kamala said "I will follow the law" in regards to trans people, well trans women in sports in not protected as discrimination under federal law. I think it'll be the first Tran issue Dems refuse to assist on and not the last. This comment isn't to defend the green party, they are grifters now.
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u/any_old_usernam Jew-ish anarchist Nov 03 '24
Yeah as a trans woman I've unfortunately come to the realization that the dems are starting to turn on us because they've decided we're politically difficult. I love this country so much 🙃
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u/soonerfreak Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
The official policy for trans rights and Palestine appears to be pick us or the other guy will be worse.
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u/Global_Bat_5541 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
Why do people think the vp has the power to change these things? Come on.
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u/soonerfreak Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
The VP exists to spread the platform of the President.
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u/Global_Bat_5541 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
Duh. The president's platform. Not her own agenda.
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u/soonerfreak Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
Yeah so what's your point? If it's about Kamala the answer I referenced was from her on Fox News running for President. Not something she said as veep.
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u/Death_and_Gravity1 Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
The Green Party overall has a huge TERF and crank problem. So this isn't that surprising
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
Green is where you go when you know the Republicans have become fascists but you're too much of an asshole to be caught supporting other people.
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u/exemplarytrombonist Jewish Communist Nov 03 '24
Is it disappointing? For sure. Do I wish I had known about his issues before sending in my mail-in ballot two weeks ago? Most definitely. Given the chance, would I change my vote to Kamala or Donald? Absolutely the fuck not. Option 2 for me was De La Cruz. Option 3 was not voting.
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u/jukeboxgasoline Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 04 '24
Same situation, I’m really pissed because I already sent in my mail-in ballot.
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u/velvetjacket1 Nov 05 '24
I wish we could see the whole interview with context to really know, because I was also disappointed by the clips, but for what it’s worth, his response seems earnest: https://x.com/butchware/status/1852779905630765354?s=46&t=Npw-uOkN9818JqNcECJHWA
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u/gravityraster Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
I think it’s a bit hypocritical to apply orthodoxy tests to fringe statements while ignoring genocide as a mainstream policy of the Democratic Party.
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
Ignoring genocide is the mainstream policy of whoever wins.
If The Greens are talking about it, it's bc they know they can't win and are using the controversy for media attention.
No American party was going to help Gaza. If Gaza is your playing card then move to another country. Punishing trans people trying to get themselves a better life because of principle is immature, and the right wing counts on you to be that stupid about it.
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u/asparagoat Gentile Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24
I'll just say first that I live in a deep blue state, so voting third party is pretty much a no brainer for me. Why wouldn't I want to help a more diverse range of ideologies get a larger platform/federal funding?
But to the point of voting third party in a swing state like Michigan, just remember that this is exactly where we were four years ago and eight years ago. I think it's reasonable to assume that this is where we'll be in another 4 years. And who on Earth knows what Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iran, Israel are going to look like then. Under Trump or Harris, I expect the situation is going to be more widespread and exponentially more horrific.
And if it's under Harris, then the Democratic establishment will know for a fact that they can murder 16,000 children, then turn around and use those children as political props, saying it would be more under the Republicans. And they will run the same exact playbook, invoking the well being of any empty shells of humans that are still clinging on to life in Gaza and the West Bank (which I mean in a loving and empathetic way, recognizing that what's going on in Gaza will traumatize anyone who survives to the point that they are completely compromised, also recognizing that people have a tremendous ability to recover from trauma and live fulfilling lives).
And just like Kamala now is ignoring the popular opinions of her base, running an ideologically empty moderate campaign to try to peel off more right wing voters, in 4 years the spectrum will have shifted even further to the right, and the Democrats will have us voting for a platform that is even more at sickening odds with our morals and core beliefs. So I think that if you believe in electoral politics as a means of change, there is a moral imperative to build strength in alternative platforms, and or punish administrations for their crimes and ineptitude. Maybe then, either the Democrats will learn that their voter base has moral and ideological red lines that must be respected, or a third party will be capable of winning over a majority.
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u/Additional_Ad3573 Nov 04 '24
Marxist-Leninists who prioritize foreign policy and who rarely show up to vote in first place aren’t exactly a part of the Democratic base
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u/elieax Jewish non-Zionist Israeli/American Nov 04 '24
Regardless of the callousness and cynicism of Democrats trying to play both sides, the wellbeing of “empty shells of humans” still in Gaza isn’t just political bullshit. There are still 2 million humans in Gaza — hello, actual humans, not empty shells — and 3 million in the West Bank whose lives depend on the situation not getting much, much, much worse under Trump. There’s a reason Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, and the rest of the fascist Israeli government love Trump, hate Biden and Harris, and desperately want Trump to win. It’s literally as simple as that. When these fascists show us what they want we should pay attention.
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u/Soggy-Life-9969 Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
Sounds like she's the lesser evil. I don't agree with a lot that Ware has said, but I'll take it over genocide, expanding Israel's borders, the most lethal military, more cops, more fascism, more environmental destruction which both major parties have pledged to do.
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u/brasseriesz6 Nov 03 '24
trump uses palestinian as a slur
democrats wouldn’t even let a palestinian who openly supported them have a voice at the DNC lol. pretty gross how you’re trying to paint an openly anti-palestinian party like the democrats as a reasonable alternative
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u/birdcafe Ashkenazi Nov 03 '24
Abortion “Limitations” = Abortion BAN.
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u/itsmejayne Nov 04 '24
Most democrats support abortion limitations because they don’t support abortions in third trimester. They justify it by saying “no one wants an abortion in the 3rd trimester” but this isn’t true. Less common? Sure. But it’s still dictating a woman’s right to choose. It’s no one’s business what trimester you are in when receiving an abortion.
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u/birdcafe Ashkenazi Nov 05 '24
I’ve found that people who say they support limitations really just mean that the decision should be between a patient and their physician, not the government. So in other words, no government-imposed limitations.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Nov 04 '24
It seems to me like he just misspoke when listing the number of weeks after which there should be limitations . The Green Party platform has never been anti abortion.
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u/birdcafe Ashkenazi Nov 05 '24
Why should the government enforce any limitation? Give me one good reason the government should override the decision between a patent and physician.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Nov 05 '24
Doctors have always been bound by laws. Even in democratic states, abortions that are not necessary to save the life or health of the mother have typically not been allowed past the point of fetal viability, which is about 6 months, way after most women will have known that they are pregnant. I’m not saying that is correct, but supporting that status quo is not at all the same as supporting a national abortion ban.
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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24
Now that’s disappointing. So vote for the establishment ghouls who will do fewer genocides, or vote for hacks with no greater political vision whose only saving grace is “isn’t okay with genocide” (Opposed to trans rights and abortion rights? Really? The easiest things to support?! 😭)
Edit: but calling Trump the greater evil when it comes to Palestine is not it. Harris is fully committed to Israel, Schumer intends to pass a bill that will criminalize any activism against Israel, the police in blue cities are already breaking protestors’ bones, and North Gaza has been turned into the ultimate Kill Zone. Trump is worse in other aspects, but let’s not minimize the damage the Dems are doing.
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
but calling Trump the greater evil when it comes to Palestine is not it
It completely is it. Bibi has been a despotic terrorist with a borderline rogue state for a year, and The Dems have supported him every step of the way.
Trump would still be worse. Trump would find a way to bring America into that war. Trump would strike new deals with Israeli weapons manufacturers. Trump would not just silence, but criminalize American protest of what is happening in Gaza. Trump would buy Palestinian land from Israel for his own business ventures.
Yes, The Dems do indeed support the genocide in Palestine. Trump would still make that worse. If you think otherwise, then you weren't watching in 2017 when he made every problem Americans have with their own fascism, worse.
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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 04 '24
Look at Gaza. Look at the West Bank. Look within the Green Line. A new level of brutality has been established, and it won’t go away just bc Netanyahu goes into jail. The liberal zionists support it.
The Dems are already funding this. No red lines.
Protests are already going to be criminalized by Schumer’s planned antisemitism bill. The police regularly kills people even in blue cities. The Dems are just nicer about it If you get on their nerves, they won’t hesitate to let the police off the leash. And if they paint you as a dangerous antisemitic terrorist, the media won’t even ask further questions.
You think the Dems will stop American corporations from buying land in occupied Palestine? You think they won’t all invest in Israeli companies? They’re against BDS. Harris and Walz are both fervently pro-Israel, they won’t sanction shit that’s produced in the West Bank of the Gazan settlements.
What is Trump going to do worse in regards to Palestine? Netanyahu wants Trump bc he doesn’t annoy him. But you’re absolutely blind if you think that Biden, Harris, or any other establishment Dem will reign Israel in. Just look at Northern Gaza. If your reply to that is “Well Trump will escalate it to all of Palestine, and Lebanon”…take a look at what the IDF has been going with Biden’s full approval, and at what Harris has been saying. She. Won’t. Stop. Them.
Vote for her if you want to, for abortion rights, “democracy”, whatever, but don’t you dare justify it with Palestine.
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
I don't think any single American candidate will be good for Palestine.
I think it's an irrelevant voting issue. The American Military Industrial Complex supports Israel. There will never be a serious American presidential candidate that will seriously work against Israel's interests. The powers that be within America wouldn't let it happen in the first place.
That's my point. Getting stubborn over Palestine is a guarantee lose for everybody. Take it off your voting card, in fact if you're so bothered, renounce your American citizenship. America has supported Israel without a problem since likely before you were born, none of them are willing to sacrifice their wealthy Zionist donors or their Zionist connections in military contracting, central bank, and within the legal system.
I'm not saying it's right. I support Palestine myself. But I can read the play, American politicians are going to fail this moral standard every single time. I won't be able to accomplish any of my other goals if I decide to use A Good Palestine Take as my litmus for quality American politicians.
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u/Arestothenes Non-Jewish Ally Nov 04 '24
I’m just saying that no one should justify their vote for Harris with “It’s better for Palestine”. Just be honest. It’s for a better situation in America, just admit it, but please stop pretending it will somehow lead to less death in Palestine.
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
Agree with that, I think we should be a lot more honest and make statements like "America is the enemy of social progress" and "America supports genocide"
Stop letting them all wash their hands of it. I can imagine there are delusional democrats that authentically believe in Kamala, but my position is "don't use American forgein policy to vote, because they're all fucking bastards no exceptions"
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u/InterstellarOwls Nov 03 '24
Did you read the article you linked about the vote recount?
“If we raise more than what’s needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform,” the new line on the website said.
At this point, Stein’s campaign does not anticipate that it’ll have money leftover. However, Brueckner said unused funds would either be returned to donors or put toward “voting reform.” She did not specify exactly what form the reform efforts would take.
There is no proof anything shady is going on, and they were pretty transparent it seems.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Nov 04 '24
It’s a hit piece. The clip of Butch Ware is 12 seconds with zero context. You don’t even get to hear the question he was responding to. Did I miss something? When did Kamala come out in defense of trans women in women’s sports? She has the same view or worse on trans rights… and she’s committing genocide.
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u/InterstellarOwls Nov 04 '24
Thanks for confirming I’m not crazy. Yea there’s a lot of claims but not much actually there I feel like they are hoping people will see the accusations and some links and believe them without fully reading or watching.
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u/velvetjacket1 Nov 05 '24
100% a hit piece. Dems have said pathetic and disappointing stuff about the rights of trans people, or been utterly silent. After these decontextualized clips started going around, Ware addressed them with posts on social media affirming his being pro-Choice and a vocal advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. It's shameful to try to smear a Black Muslim man by accusing him of being a misogynist and transphobe.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
It’s really telling that this hit piece uses a 12 second video clip where you cannot even hear the question he is responding to? Would love to find the full interview somewhere.
Most people believe in abortion limitations. Are there really people out there campaigning for elective 3rd trimester abortions?
Do you truly, TRULY, believe that Kamala is more progressive on any of these issues than Jill and Butch? I encourage everyone to go check out their platform and make that assessment for themselves.
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u/Global_Bat_5541 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
I wish people would finally realize that she actually is not a good candidate. This kind of crap has been going on for years. I remember her last running mate having issues as well.
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u/MancAngeles69 Nov 03 '24
Lofty Russian asset accusations aside, voting Green in the US is at best a protest vote and it’s so disappointing. Some international Green Parties are better than others, but if you’re not even trying to create lasting growth and invest in local candidates that want to expand the Greens, you’re not a serious party and you’re mocking the principles of the Green Party movement. Jill Stein is no Caroline Lucas.
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u/External_Reporter859 Nov 03 '24
The international Green Party organizations have already spoken out against Shill Stein and urge people to vote for Harris to have the best prospect at affecting any sort of progressive change and especially for preventing a fascist takeover from Trump.
A slew of environmental advocacy groups have come out in support of Harris and spoken out against Stein as well.
https://foeaction.org/news/third-parties-could-jeopardize-climate-progress/
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u/deliciousdemocracy Nov 04 '24
The strategic choice is to swap your vote between safe states and swing states, so the safe state person can lodge a protest vote for Claudia or Cornel and the swing state person can vote against Trump. Swapyourvote.org
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u/SolomonDRand Nov 03 '24
I can’t believe we can’t trust some guy who no one had heard of prior to running with that lady who briefly reappears every four years to do nothing.
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u/ChickenNugget267 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
Just because you only pay attention to the Green Party every four years, doesn't mean they don't do stuff when you're not looking. The height of narcissism.
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u/soonerfreak Jewish Anti-Zionist Nov 03 '24
What do they do in the off season? Because as someone who intensely follows politics she drops off the planet between elections.
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u/ChickenNugget267 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
Run local campaigns. She didn't even run 4 years ago so this is a really dumb narrative.
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u/SolomonDRand Nov 03 '24
Ok, what have they accomplished in the past four years? I haven’t seen hide nor hair of them in the San Francisco Bay Area, but maybe they’re more active in other parts of the country.
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u/ChickenNugget267 Non-Jewish Ally Nov 03 '24
They are. They're typically trying to gain ground in local elections, municipalities and such. As I understand it, because people believe the "spoiler vote" mythology, because progressives are so brainwashed by Democratic propaganda, smaller parties like the Green Party do not have the capacity to have as much of a presence as the Dems and Republicans do.
Where the DNC and RNC have all those billions of corporate money that enable them to be omnipresent and hire full time staffers, the Green Party doesn't have anything close to those resources. If people want an alternative to the Democrats then people need to start building the Greens in their free time between elections and supporting them when they do run.
And I agreee people like Stein and Ware are inadequate in many ways, there was a better option four years ago in the form of Howie Hawkins but people didn't pay attention to him. People need to give that party energy again so better candidates run for President through them. The Greens are the lesser evil on that ballot.
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u/AlleyRhubarb Nov 03 '24
She didn’t even run in 2020! She was fine with four more years of Trump.
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u/Carthradge Nov 03 '24
That seems like inconsistent logic. If she runs, she wants Trump to win. But if she doesn't run then she also wants Trump to win?
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u/AlleyRhubarb Nov 03 '24
No, she had absolutely nothing to say about Trump, even going silent on social media during most of his presidency. She tries to hop on elections to siphon Democrats’ support, piggybacking off Sanders in 2016 and now the anti-Israel movement. She has very little to say about Republicans. Her VP even admitted this run was just to cause Harris to lose.
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u/Historical-Chard-636 Nov 04 '24
People did not expect Biden to win 2020. We all saw him as the most pathetic cope candidate the DNC could muster. Jill Stein doesn't run.
People expected Trump to be a loser candidate in 2016, and right now he is understood as a demented tyrant. Jill Stein runs, and threatens to split the Dem vote.
It's not hard to see. Jill refuses to cooperate with the Dems and only runs when it looks like the Republicans could lose.
We really would have an easier time pushing progression from within the DNC if they had a stronger guarantee of winning every election. Now, I don't believe electoral politics can fix everything. Appealing to the state to fix the state usually fails. But I do know that voting for The Green Party in a swing state is suicide. Protest votes are laughed at, then burned.
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u/elieax Jewish non-Zionist Israeli/American Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
I’m proud to vote for 3rd parties as a protest vote, and I have the privilege of being able to vote my conscience living in blue California. But Jill Stein is a mountain of hypocritical dog shit. Her and her husband profit off their investments in fossil fuels among other horrors. This article has the literal receipts (financial declarations she filed as candidate for president) https://front.moveon.org/correct-the-record-jill-stein-is-a-climate-hypocrite-who-cannot-be-trusted/
If you’re going to vote 3rd party, vote Claudia de la Cruz.
If I lived in a swing state, I’d bite the bullet and vote for Harris because as awful as Democrats have been and will continue to be, a second Trump presidency will be way, way, way worse. Not just Trump’s Nazi-like demonization/dehumanization of immigrants, and promises of mass deportations, which should horrify every decent human being and especially us Jews.
Trump is explicitly, virulently anti-Palestinian and has done more to help Israel’s extremist expansionist government than even Biden’s funding of the genocide.
THERE’S A REASON Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, and the rest of the fascist Israeli government love Trump, hate Biden and Harris, and desperately want Trump to win. It’s literally as simple as that. When these fascists show us what they want we should pay attention.
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u/Mizz_Andry Nov 03 '24
I’ll probably catch flak for this, perhaps even a ban. But is this supposed to be some “gotcha” moment where we should turn on the Green Party because a candidate diverges slightly on a very minor issue? He’s released a statement that’s very explicit about his positions, which are not transphobic, pro-life, nor anti- abortion. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The left rabidly opposes any nuance or room for discussion when it comes to trans rights, and automatically labels people transphobic or TERFS if they push back on any of it. He isn’t saying to deny the rights of trans people or do them any harm. He’s talking about specific guidelines of the IOC, if you watch the whole interview. Asking questions on how to navigate policies regarding trans athletes who’ve undergone irreversible physical changes through male puberty, in order to ensure an equal playing field for biologically female athletes is not an outrageous, hateful position. It’s a feminist position.
We will continue to eat each other alive over identity politics and never make any progress with this attitude. All the while, people in Gaza are being annihilated but yeah, we should be outraged about questioning the rights of less that 1% of peoples ability to play sports?
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u/domino_poland_007 Ashkenazi Nov 04 '24
I agree with you, of course transphobia is bad and this shouldn't need to be said -- but given the way the word "antisemitism" has been weaponised recently by pro-Israel groups, this should warn people that these notions, which can sometimes be very useful, can also be misused to silence people and perpetuate injustices...
Of course this issue is very complex and people's identities should be respected, but if we start playing the game of casting out anyone that big-name moneyed organisations call transphobic, then it becomes much harder to counter the false accusations of antisemitism. It goes without saying though, any time people's identities are being disrespected, we shouldn't tolerate that.
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u/Mizz_Andry Nov 04 '24
Thank you, I’m glad my point was communicated properly. Progress comes from dialogue and understanding different perspectives, and learning how to build together. Growth is hindered when dialogue is shut down because of terms being weaponized (whether that’s intentional or not). And that absolutely goes without saying that we need not perpetuate harm towards anyone’s identity. I feel that our left-leaning communities often write off others too quickly as a knee jerk reaction. Even if the intent behind that reaction is to protect others, that doesn’t always end up being the result.
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u/yarrpirates Nov 04 '24
America has a Socialist Party that is a real party of the left. The Greens have been trying to break the duopoly for decades, and they are not gaining ground. If you want to vote for a real alternative, vote Socialist in the downballot races.
Vote for Harris as President, imo, but mainly because Trump is incredibly irritating and his flailing as he slowly realises his utter loss will be fun to watch.
And very importantly, get involved in campaigning for preferential voting, or something similar. That's the only way to actually break the duopoly.
Edit: Oh, and vote Harris for abortion rights. It's not certain she'll actually make a federal law happen, but it's far more likely than with Trump.
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u/Tuotus Nov 04 '24
How did such a reactionary person gained candidacy for a 'leftist' party
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u/newgoliath Jewish Communist Nov 04 '24
The Greens are not a disciplined party. They are a big tent party, and do a lot of good work. But their party discipline is mediocre at best.
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u/Tuotus Nov 05 '24
Ok that's sad to hear considering they're the more popular of the two options I've heard of
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u/newgoliath Jewish Communist Nov 05 '24
PSL is disciplined, and show up to EVERY Palestine event in my general area.
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u/NoGain4863 Nov 05 '24
There’s also a decent Libertarian Candidate Chase Oliver who is pretty socially liberal if you’re more on the fiscal conservative side.
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u/RossTheBoss69 Nov 03 '24
Damn I almost voted for her but got worried about Trump winning so I bit the bullet and voted Harris.
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u/DonaldAndBushy91 Nov 04 '24
I was done after that Medi Hassan interview
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Nov 04 '24
The one where she said, “Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was a criminal and murderous war”?
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u/DonaldAndBushy91 6d ago
Yes that one. I just don't feel it should be so difficult to make the observation Putin is a war criminal. From what I remember her struggle to say this was not very confidence inspiring
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