r/JewsOfConscience • u/Nomogg • Sep 25 '24

History Israeli soldiers speak about the Tantura massacre in 1948

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u/Lake-of-Birds Non-Jewish historian Sep 25 '24

This stuff is brutal. Reminds me a bit of Oppenheimer's documentary The Act of Killing interviewing people who killed communists or "communists" in Indonesia in 1965-6. Since they were never punished, quite the opposite they were praised for their heroic deeds, few of the people being interviewed felt any remorse and they talked openly about everything they had done.

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u/talsmash Anti-Zionist Ally Sep 25 '24

Yes, also similar to how US soldiers spoke openly about the My Lai massacre https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vp-6WFSXO4o

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u/PerroHundsdog Sep 25 '24

If this is from the Winter Soldier Investigation they had at least remorse and were part of Vets against war. Its worth a read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Soldier_Investigation

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Sep 26 '24

I saw that doc, and it was terrifying! Around the time, Malaysia was in a grip of both the 1MDB corruption case & the Syrian War at the same time. In both cases, the loyalists of the former PM were defending that corrupt bastard and were using racism & religion to discredit his opponents & critics, to the point threatening violence; meanwhile, almost hundreds of Malaysian citizens illegally volunteered to fight alongside ISIS in the Syrian, while Shia Muslim Muslims were raided & discriminated against for allegedly colluding with Bashar Assad, and there were also threats to boycott Iran.

Watching the doc was like watching a dark mirror of my country. If the Indonesians were capable of such violence against themselves, so do Malaysians. We've had a devastating racial riot back in 1969; the 1MDB & Syrian War had us on edge, and we were at boiling point.

I fear the worst during the current genocide. There are plenty of angry, young potential jihadists from my country waiting too long and wanting to unleash their fury in Middle East. They won't just kill Jews; they would also kill other Muslims or anyone else they don't like, much like in the Syrian War. And that would blowback again into Malaysia.

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u/Lake-of-Birds Non-Jewish historian Sep 26 '24

Dang thanks for the response. I've known some Indonesians who saw it but never heard an example of how it was perceived from the Malaysian side.

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u/chewinchawingum Sep 25 '24

That movie was one of the most powerful movies I've ever seen, absolutely chilling.

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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Sep 26 '24

It reminds me of the interview with Michal Kabac (may his memory be for a toilet), a Hlinka Guard member, in the 2005 Auschwitz documentary.

There's no difference between these guys and the 3rd SS Panzer Division "Totenkopf".

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u/BloodRedMarxist Non-Jewish Ally Sep 25 '24

How do they feel comfortable admitting to such crimes PUBLICALLY?

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Sep 26 '24

They have defenders in the West? They know that even the most "liberal" defenders will just either deny or dismiss their crimes as "antisemitic conspiracy theories" and now, with their genocide now out in the open, they're betting on those defense.

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u/alex-weej Sep 26 '24

"It's war." :/

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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Sep 26 '24

I think it's because they won't face any consequences for their crimes. Makes it every easy to confess/brag when you know nothing bad will happen to you. Much like you can have many soldiers from western countries (like US or Australia) admit to/be exposed for their war crimes in the middle east/other countries and they're either celebrated for their crimes or the whistleblowers are punished.

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u/talsmash Anti-Zionist Ally Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

Does anyone happen to know if the video footage of the people in barbed wire enclosures was taken at Tantura? (Seen at 1:01)

I think it may be from the ethnic cleansing of Lydda and Ramle, from the same source as this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle#/media/File:1948_Arab-Israeli_War_997008137024705171.jpg