r/JewsOfConscience • u/Different-Muscle-478 • Apr 25 '24
Activism It's the actions of the state of Israel that jeopardize the safety of Jews everywhere.
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u/Launch_Zealot Arab/Armenian-American Ally Apr 25 '24
I can imagine the cynical leadership of Israel would see this as a bonus to incentivize aliyah.
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u/christmascake Apr 26 '24
What seems clear as day to me as an outside observer who is in a different minority group... Netanyahu has been a disaster for Israel and the diaspora.
I view him as similar to Trump. So self-obsessed and power hungry that he'd burn down his own country and declare himself ruler of the ashes rather than face any accountability for his actions.
He's sowed so much turmoil and even supported Hamas because preventing a two-state solution is more important to him than the safety of his own people! That is the worst kind of leader.
My concern in this conflict is for Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
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u/Ok_Depth6945 Anti-Zionist Ally Apr 27 '24
Disclaimer: I'm also an outsider. I think it's dangerous to pin everything on good ol Benjamin Mileikowsky. The material conditions/incentives and ideology of Zionism would exist with or without him, not that he hasn't played a role in the last few decades. Liberal Zionists will blame everything on him and pretend all is good and well when he's replaced by someone equally as/more ghoulish. Great Man Theory needs to die.
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u/sheogorath227 Anarcho-Orthodox Apr 25 '24
Put it this way: the Jews standing in solidarity with the Palestinian people on Columbia, enjoying a Seder, are not really in danger. Zionists, on the other hand, are supporting genocide. They are, as a result, in danger of being attacked for supporting genocide. It's really not that hard. Supporting Israel is dangerous, not being Jewish.
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u/short_circuit_8 Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
I'm sorry but this is not true. It should absolutely be that way but diaspora jews are being endangered by the zionists actions in multiple ways right now.
Primarily there's the obvious result of Israel claiming itself to be the representative of all 'true' jews; antisemitic sentiment growing in people that are uneducated on the topic but seeing the depravity of the zionist regime. These people can't be fully blamed for this but they're still wrong. Every time Israel has ramped up its genocidal actions against palestinians in the last decades antisemitic attacks on random jews in western countries have increased. Anti-arabic/muslim attacks have ramped up as well (and right now even to a higher degree in a lot of places), but uninvolved jews are still in undeserved danger right now.
Anti-zionist jews have been at the forefront of resistance in western countries, making up highly unproportional amounts of the people being arrested, brutalized and punished by western states. On top of that they are publicly smeared as self hating antisemites and pushed out of jewish communities by zionists using their well-funded hasbara apparatus. They not only risk their safety and freedom but a lot of times also their whole social security net, cultural belonging and relationships to family, partners and friends.
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u/afinemax01 Apr 25 '24
How do you feel that most Jewish Israelis who oppose the genocide are Zionists?
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u/tigglybug Apr 25 '24
Pro Israeli Jews are violent, aggressive are more of a threat to anti zionist Jews than the general populace atm
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u/TheStinaHelena Apr 26 '24
How else are you supposed to justify all of the support that Israel gets. You create an environment of hostility so it justifies your actions.
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u/screedor Aug 17 '24
I remember first meeting my ex. Beautiful sweet Jewish princess. After our first night together we were vibing hard. I had to ask her "are you a Zionist" she wasn't, we dated for two more years and I still have good memories from her.
She actually got mad and asked me "you would have got with a Zionist?" I got defensive and said yes but I would have ghosted her right away. She was a gem.
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u/monkeywench May 01 '24
Imagine if Americans said “I don’t feel safe” because people were saying we need to restore more land to the indigenous people and the rest of the world stopped letting America have bases in their land and stopped supporting all the fucked up shit that America does (like undermining other successful forms of government and installing dictators)
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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '24
Exactly. Israel is terrible for the safety of the diaspora.