r/IsraelCrimes • u/speakhyroglyphically Free Palestine • Nov 14 '24
Fascism UK prime minister Starmer says there is no genocide in Gaza
297
u/dogisgodspeltright Nov 14 '24
The more they lie, the easier the conviction will be in Nuremberg 2.0, that is to come.
That is, if the people hold them accountable,...... or in their silence become complicit in the genocide.
If I were to remain silent, I would be guilty of complicity.
- Albert Einstein, others
66
u/ciaran036 Nov 14 '24
If the legal system doesn't apply itself to charge these criminals then the entire system must be taken down and replaced with one that does work. The people have the power ultimately.
14
5
u/TheNobleKiwi Nov 15 '24
The reason they're doing it now with impunity is precisely because there has been no revolution or rebellion in western countries in the last twenty years while people's liberties were slowly but surely taken away. Meanwhile, the powers that be have designed a system so robust that any means for organization on mass can be undermined. Social media, media propaganda, TV programming, the music industry, film, data collection, cctv, leaving the EU, changes in human rights laws, employment laws, etc etc etc have all lead to incremental changes that have made the public not only passive but safeguarded any change to the system through which the public are misled and pacified.
We're to late. Everyone should have gotten off their arse a decade ago, instead they consumed all the shit on reality TV, celebrity news, and popular culture and suckled at the teet of submission.71
u/Mr_DonkeyKong79 Nov 14 '24
Nuremberg only happens after a victory. In an alternate timeline, after a loss, convictions would have looked a lot different.
10
u/cyrkielNT Nov 14 '24
Just like USA never been held accountable for thier many crimes. Same as UK and any other imperial power.
Not to mention USA saved many nazis from prosecution and give them happy and safe life.
10
u/appalachianoperator Nov 14 '24
The nuclear age has made it impossible to have another Nuremberg. Even then the crimes of the victors were conveniently swept under the rug (Anglo Soviet invasion of Iran, Japanese-American concentration camps, etc.)
182
u/newfriendschan Nov 14 '24
What happened in October last year? The 70 year illegal occupation of Palestine continued as it has for decades?
67
u/jeff43568 Nov 14 '24
Clearly 700 civilian deaths some of which are directly attributable to the IDF, outweighs the between 40,000 and 300,000 deaths since the 7th.
What value system could be used to make 700 deaths outweigh 40,000-300,000?
Ah yes, I remember, racism.
21
u/KnowTheTruthMatters Nov 14 '24 edited Nov 14 '24
On October 7th, there were 1139 deaths. 6 loosely defined American civilians were killed. 1 American hostage released in Nov., and 1 American hostage missing. But all were IDF soldiers or settlers. 3 of them were on duty fighting. The deaths are:
- 364 - Festival
- 330 - Settlers
- 305 - IDF Soldiers
- 71 - foreign (mostly Thai, few US, UK, Lebanon)
- 58 - Israeli Police
- 10 - Shin Bet
Settlers who served in the IDF, and who took their land by force, even if they're kibbutz and took it back in 1967, are a real loose definition of "citizens".
And seeing as how Israel put the festival goers directly in the path of Hamas, and let Hamas reach the Kibbutz, which they never intended, and in fact it was Hamas who called Israeli police to negotiate bc when they got there they had no idea what to do, AND the fact that we know Israel killed at least 33 of their own citizens and lied about 6-names of the deceased, we KNOW it's less than 700 citizens.
Important because they won't shut up about October 7. If they won't shut up about it, we may as well force them to get the details correct.
Edit: all of it, accidentally posted with nothing typed out yet.
110
u/speakhyroglyphically Free Palestine Nov 14 '24
“I'm well aware of the definition of genocide, and that is why I've never described this as and referred to it as genocide.”
Prime Minister Keir Starmer told the UK parliament on Wednesday that there is no genocide taking place in Gaza. [MEE]
63
u/trikora Nov 14 '24
"it would be wise by refering it with what happened in october last year"
oh yeah, and it would also be way more wiser to also refering it with years of occupation, harrasement, force eviction.
28
u/Dvoynoye_Tap Nov 14 '24
He has to mention October. That's in the contract he signed with the devil/Zionists
6
u/saeedi1973 Nov 14 '24
If it wasn't Free Gear Keir, the grubby compromised wet blanket of a politician saying it, it would sound almost like a threat : "It would be wise.."
68
u/abdessalaam Nov 14 '24
Sir Weathercock, spineless and slimy. Previously claimed that Israel had the right to cut off water and supplies from Gaza in a radio interview, that he then denied. Later said “now is not the time for ceasefire”. Now this…
47
44
u/g_rolling Nov 14 '24
Marcus Aurelius says in Meditations : "All you have to do to commit injustice, is to stay silent"
42
u/darkbluefav Nov 14 '24
It doesn't matter what you call what is happening there. It's bad. Beyond bad. That's it.
Here is why this is useful:
Sometimes I get into an argument with a pro-zionist. I present my points and I mention the horrors that Israel commits. I present a strong argument to whatever we are discussing.
However, I use the word genocide at any point, they can use it as a way to escape the other actual arguments and just focus on the word "genocide" and start talking shit like how the population in Gaza increased over the years (as if it's commendable that Israel let people reproduce).
Sometimes I say "OK fine, it's not genocide, it's just a massacre" does that make it okay to you???
Israel is 100% genocidal. But our issue isn't whatever the heck you want to call it. The issue is the it is CONTINUING and Israel might get away with it, just like it has in the past.
Now we say History didn't start on October 7 2023.
In 20 years we will be forced to say history didn't start on October 7 2043. In that year The Zionists and their Western supporters, the genocide apologists, might pretend history just started in 2043.
I am open to discuss other perspectives or if I missed anything.
33
u/musicmaker Nov 14 '24
The issue is the it is CONTINUING and Israel might get away with it, just like it has in the past.
International law dictates that an occupied people can do whatever is necessary to free themselves from the occupation and it can not be deemed terrorism. Also the occupier, when faced with such actions can not claim to be defending themselves.
THIS is what you need to drill into peoples' heads.
23
u/Dabdaddi902 Nov 14 '24
It’s literally baked into the Geneva conventions but nobody wants to acknowledge that. An occupying power doesn’t have a legal right to self defence when they are illegally occupying a land and population. It’s like nobody cares about the rules and laws anymore, this has been going on for so long and so many people around the world have just become accustomed to this happening even though it’s fucking illegal and against international law. A fucking occupation is only supposed to be for a brief period of time not multiple generations (75+ years) ffs.
0
u/darkbluefav Nov 14 '24
The law is being followed: The law of the jungle where the physically strong eats the physically weak.
This is our world now wherein the West is powerful and controls the world. We need to try a different world.
4
u/darkbluefav Nov 14 '24
Yes. 🔻 exists because of the brutal zionist occupation not because of religion.
5
u/papayapapagay Nov 14 '24
Also, they often claim the ICJ did not rule on South Africa case in January etc.. When what was in the ruling was very telling, most notably that in having to reiterate Israels obligations to the Geneva Convention Article 2, the court was signalling without actually saying that they believed a genocide was being committed.
17
u/Middle_Squash_2192 Nov 14 '24
What a slime. And he has the gut to present himself as a "Human Rights Lawyer."
19
u/jerquee Nov 14 '24
when people claim it's not a genocide I cite this: Israeli historian Raz Segal (Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program) described it as a "textbook case of genocide." Israeli historian Omer Bartov (Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University, considered one of the world's leading authorities on genocide) said "There seems to be intentional destruction of housing. There is destruction of places of worship, especially of mosques. There's destruction of universities and schools, which seems to be intentional. They can certainly come under war crimes, it can come under crimes against humanity, and it can come under genocide" Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, stated in an essay that: "Yes, it is genocide". He said: "It is so difficult and painful to admit it, but despite all that, and despite all our efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation#Discourse_on_post-2023_events
13
13
13
u/DarwinRuthord Nov 14 '24
When you have genocide apologists with so much power, it makes me wonder where the world is heading to.
10
7
u/NewVentures66 Nov 14 '24
British here. If anyone wants to learn how our 2 main parties are paid by Isreal, watch this:
It's a damn disgrace. The majority of British people want the UK to stop all arms sales and for a ceasefire.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
13
u/sadnessforever2028 Nov 14 '24
Another of the many politicians who deserve at least death for their crimes. Terrorists and capitalists. Did you know the UK parliament is one of the biggest consumers of cocaine?
6
u/Actual-Vehicle-2358 Nov 14 '24
Shame on you Starmer. The intent has been well documented. Even the ICC have ruled. There is a plausible case of genocide. Makes me ashamed to be British.
6
u/PM_ME_UR_MULLETS Nov 14 '24
Keir Starmer is a spineless fuckhead. As much as I despise the tories I couldn't vote for him, the man praised Thatcher for fucks sake! The leader of the LABOUR party publically praised a capitalist monster who gutted communites and butchered industries.
4
u/Wormfeathers Nov 14 '24
The lack of humanity in the heart of some called humans is rediculuse and absurde
4
3
u/HoneyBadger0706 Nov 14 '24
I don't know what the fuck is going on but we as the people of Britain DO NOT agree with this. We KNOW its a Genocide and we KNOW that our government is complicit. I'm so sorry that our government are lying bastards. I'm convinced there's more to this that our government is obviously not telling us. Keir Starmer is a human rights lawyer FFS. He knows full well that this is beyond a Genocide. I'm so angry and so so sorry.
3
3
u/Nebsy985 Nov 14 '24
And that's coming from a Labour politician. Prime time for an actual leftist party to come into the political scene in the UK.
3
3
u/bent_crater Nov 14 '24
country that has committed the most genocides in history says there is no genocide in Gaza
3
u/quickdrawdoc Nov 14 '24
Implicit in all of these blatantly bad faith denials is racist, essentialist framing. They'd have you believe that Palestinians are barbaric, innately monstrous people who just want to murder Jews "for reasons." It's manufactured consent for their annihilation to help meet Israel's ends to completely ethnically cleanse Palestinians and steal the rest of their land.
2
2
2
2
u/ImpressiveBalance405 Nov 14 '24
We know the definition of genocide includes intent. That’s why we are calling it a genocide.
2
2
1
Nov 14 '24
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/AutoModerator Nov 14 '24
u/musicmaker, this is unapproved sub. ❌ If you feel that your post would be well received here, please feel free to reupload the post directly to this subreddit.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
1
u/PaddyF_92_Ireland32 Nov 14 '24
The Prime Minister is a sneaky wanker out for him self the selfish cunt ….someone must be accountable for the actions of those responsible for genocide and supporting Israel as they have been getting a way whit it for 80 years now!!thanks to the USA and Great Britain and Germany..…free Palestine 🇵🇸….stop the genocide it’s time for peace ☮️
1
u/AlexP222 Nov 14 '24
Absolute cunt especially given his background. Also the reason why I spoilt my ballot in the UK elections.
1
1
1
1
1
u/Pink1Floyd4d Nov 15 '24
That man is the absolute definition of SHITE on the sole of a shoe that walked through the ashes of Auschwitz and heard nothing but laughter from it's owner.
•
u/AutoModerator Nov 14 '24
Thanks for posting, u/speakhyroglyphically!
Support Palestine refugees with UNRWA today! Your donation provides crucial food and cash assistance to thousands of families. Give now!
Join r/Palestine official discord server!
Please upvote it to show your support for Free Palestine! Please crosspost it to other subreddits.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.