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Yeah you’re right. Genocide Joe never budged an inch on his stance on Israel. All he made were empty threats to Israel like saying “we will stop all US aid to Israel if you invade Rafah” and then they do nothing when Rafah is invaded. I think the only difference between Joe and Trump is that Trump will be more honest and vocal about his support of the genocide. Their policies towards Israel remain exactly the same
You maybe right. OTOH... remember the last time trump was elected and kushner and co were undermining Obama at the UN because Obama did one decent move that pissed off the genocidal regime.
If trump puts in the same folks like kushner, pompeo, tom cotton..we are even .more screwed.
The other countries follow US dictates because of coercion..
Just saw a link about Biden admin coercing Ireland to not ban goods from genocide state made in Palestinian territory or something
That’s exactly right, the reason Kamala wasn’t worth it is that she is a phony trying to cover up to get a vote. Trump on the other hand while radical, said it unabashedly and people prefer truth and transparency even if they disagree as they know exactly what they are getting.
Escalations until a direct war with Iran. Gaza completely cut from water, energy and internet, like Israel planned in the beginning. And of course, the start of settlements.
Trump already sold the West Bank for campaign donation money, told Netanyahu to "finish the job", said he'd deport all Palestinians and Palestine supporters, all before the election, then first thing this morning not even 12 hours after it first looked like he was going to win, called Netanyahu to make plans on how best to blow up Iran. Gaza and all of Palestine is vapor and the land will be given to Kushner to redevelop into illegal Israeli settlements. This will happen while he nukes Iran to appease Netanyahu, and please the Saudis by making them the main power and influence in the Middle East which by extension will please Russia. This will all happen while Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc., are all being destroyed for Israel. They'll only stop "greater Israel" when it gets too close to KSA.
That's fuckin hilarious. I'm glad I'm not the only one who deals with stress through humour. Honestly all the best and I think I misunderstood your original position or word my comment word but no one deserves what's coming.
I can tell you. Israel, believe it or not, is being restricted by the US. Expect a full-scale war with Iran now. With us troops involved. Millions more will die.
this part I find hard to believe. trump is a monster, but he's not a warmonger, and he's been consistent in opposing america's foreign interventions. it seems very unlikely that he would willingly take on the pressure and responsibility of organizing a full-scale war. almost all of his foreign policy positions, when he does mention them, are non-interventionist.
He was literally on the phone first thing this morning planning war strategy against Iran with Netanyahu. I don't understand why you people believe him when he says stuff like he's anti-war; he lies constantly and changes his mind at the drop of a hat depending on which personality is in control.
I don't think US land troops would be involved.
Maybe air force , navy etc.
Trump knows his base doesn't really want a mideast war and largely kept a lid on the Bolton's etc
Don't think it was ever up to her. Even if she wanted to, she can't break from the predetermined script, that would have consequences for her (never be employed in politics again) and her party (withstand the fallout of their candidate not being in lockstep with Israel)
Sending Ritchie Torres and Bill Clinton to insult people in Michigan doesn't seem like something she had to do. Kicking out Muslim/Arab community leaders from her Cheney rallies also doesn't seem like Biden's fault. She had choices and at every point, she chose Zionism and unconditional commitment to a foreign nation and never separated herself from Joe Biden.
As far as I could tell, Zeteo does not provide a link to a primary source. Do you have one?
Does either the Institute for Middle East Understanding (the organization that presumably commissioned this poll) or YouGov (the organization that presumably conducted the poll) provide evidence of this on their website?
Her supporters will try to blame Muslims and Arab Americans for her loss, but ultimately, she only has herself to blame and I hope she knows that. You can’t continue unconditionally funding Israel’s genocide and refusing to consider implementing actual policy changes, and then be shocked that people don’t want to vote for you.
ETA: Replies talking about “strategy” or “so would Trump stop the genocide?”. Please don’t tell me you thought you could vote Kamala in and then pressure her into an arms embargo. This is the same person who’s said that any empathy she expresses for the Palestinian cause should not be confused for future policy changes. They’re both Zionist shills, but she can’t be surprised that no one wanted to reward her for bad behaviour.
trump or Harris it's the same, the good thing is that democrats will start listening to their Muslim voters and not to think that their votes are granted for free. supporting a genocide is what made the democrats lose they should blame themselves.
Biden/Harris had 13 months to end it and not only they didn’t end it but based on the last month, we can safely assume that they gave the green light to Israel to annex Northern Gaza. No one was going to end the genocide, the genocide will end if Israel is held accountable by international organisations or someone intervenes.
Did Biden help? Didn’t it recently surface as news that the US administration is pressuring the ICC or did we forget that they withdrew funding from UNRWA or that they are supporting Israel’s effort to stop working together with the UN when it comes to aid distribution in Gaza?
Like Trump is bad and he shouldn’t have been running in the first place but Biden and Harris had their chance and failed.
It's not about on whether or not Trump would or wouldn't it's about the fact that she didn't even have to sit here and talk about withholding arms She could have just condemned the fucking genocide and probably would have gotten enough to votes to win.
The fact that she was condescending to everybody who tried to hold her on point about Israel and she doubled and tripled quadrupled and quintupled down on we're going to let Israel do whatever it wants.
It's the fact that for 30 fucking years all we've heard from Democrats are them crying wolf. And we all knew wolf existed we could see wolf And we knew Wolf was bad but it's really hard to take the boy who cried wolf seriously even if he is being honest when while you're watching him holler wolf he's clubbing the fucking sheep that he's alerting you to protect
Notice how a Zionist won anyway. Y’all failed to see there was a strategy in voting for Kamala and now you’re stuck with trump who is infinitely worse. Now you can expect twice the funding and weapons to be sent to Israel, and less ability to fight back.
Except they weren’t the cause, Harris lost the popular vote and third party votes still don’t give her the win in any swing state or the popular vote. Harris was wildly as unpopular as Biden was because she chose to adopt the same policies as him instead of progressive ones. The two major ones besides Israel was the lethal military policy and border wall policies.
I got downvoted in another sub for this, but: Who knew the classic Dems strategy of going further right and pretending to be a Republican instead of populist left would fail? Who knew Kamala would risk losing if she followed the losing strategy that had Hillary Clinton lose and Joe Biden almost° lose?
°Biden would've lost if Trump wasn't actively in the White House proving that electing him four years ago was a mistake.
I don't understand how people can blame those who oppose genocide for the Dems loss, instead of the Dems themselves. We're talking about genocide, ya know the agreed upon worst thing a state can do?? Frankly it's disgusting to expect people to set that aside, and disgusting to shame them if they couldn't.
The blame is squarely on the Democrats for not planning ahead. They had all the time and all the chances and still decided to play the worst strategy.
democracy from time to time trumps dollars.....it also depends how you spend those dollars. Buying twitter goes a long way and that expense wasn't on the GOP to carry.
I got downvoted to hell in other subs pointing this out. In addition, her campaign, in general, was just tone deaf and she's just not that great of a candidate.
I rarely saw her campaigns until like the month before election but didn’t she say something about women who don’t vote for her aren’t real women? Or is that something someone is just spreading because for awhile I could have sworn she shot herself in the foot by attacking women
Hence why i said I don’t know if she said it or if it was a rumor. It was a hot topic in twitter when it happened though from what I remember. A lotta people weren’t happy
Wow, so the margins to support arming genocide was for this much?!! I thought it would be a difference but by a third of the voters is a lot more than what I expected and just goddamn Uncle Sam lol get fucked is all I’m reading now 😰🥲😭
I'm not actually certain they saw it, tbh. I think there's an argument to be made that it was purposefully hidden from them. But the fact that I don't believe they'd have moved differently even if they did see it is really all that matters.
The Democratic party had plenty of time, and opportunities to show it doesn't support this genocide, it plans to stop it, to do anything but help prolong it. They had poll after poll telling them it is a key issue, they decided to ignore all that.
Don't blame your party of choice's screw up on us. If anything, we taught them a lesson on your behalf not to ignore your issues in upcoming elections or they risk losing again. You're welcome.
Does either the Institute for Middle East Understanding (the organization that presumably commissioned this poll) or YouGov (the organization that presumably conducted the poll) provide evidence of this on their website?
Those voters certainly sent a powerful message by sitting this election out! Now, instead of an administration pushing for restraint, aid, a ceasefire, and a two-state solution we'll have the Trump administration fully embrace the wildest fantasies of the Israeli far right. I'm sure the Palestinian people will appreciate the principled stance their defenders took this election.
Netanyahu is only a symptom of the psychotic Israeli regime, not the cause. The majority of Israelis disapprove of Netanyahu but approve of the genocide. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing would have changed under Kamala, who mind you is apart of the administration responsible for arming this genocide in the first place.
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