r/IsraelCrimes • u/RickyOzzy Top Contributor • Jul 21 '24
Fascism Burning an American flag in the US is protected by the first amendment, but spray painting a liberation slogan on the flag of the genocidal foreign Israeli apartheid regime is prosecuted as a “hate crime”? Complete insanity.
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u/PotatoeyCake Jul 21 '24
How is this a hate crime?
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u/G0ld_Ru5h Jul 22 '24
As a gay person, this is especially infuriating. So many LBGTQ people are beat up, harassed, or murdered each year, y’know, actual violent crimes? But getting the courts to call it “hate crime” is almost unheard of.
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u/touslesmatins Jul 21 '24
Literally how is that a hate crime? Isn't a hate crime accusing someone or a group of something they're not guilty of? Because the flag represents the country, 90%+ of whom are on board with a genocide
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u/WankWankNudgeNudge Jul 21 '24
It's infuriating how much control Israel has over the US
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u/Heuristicdish Jul 21 '24
Make it a known issue to candidates. If enough people object, it will have dramatic effect. “Stop sucking Zionist Cock!” But be nice!
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u/ItchyBitchy7258 Jul 22 '24
Not a solution. Kennedy and Nixon (and Trump, on more than one front now) learned the hard way what happens when you oppose their interests.
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u/PetrolEmu Jul 21 '24
What happens if they're Jewish?
Hypothetically, would the hate crime charges still be applied?
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u/rude-gnome Jul 21 '24
Unfortunately yes because most of jews are against the genocide while the people who claim to be jewish are responsible. Jewish protestors get attacked on the street by zionists for standing with palestine. So whether you’re jewish or not you get fucked
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u/SauceyBoy Jul 22 '24
I get that there is a significant number of Jews opposed to it, but I'm doubtful it's the majority.
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u/saddungeons Jul 22 '24
it is though
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u/SauceyBoy Jul 22 '24
Really? If that was the case, I think it would be more apparent. Anyways, out of curiosity, I figured I'd stop being lazy and just looked it up. With a cursory search it ranges anywhere between a quarter to a third of American jews in opposition. Obviously they don't represent the global population, but presumably the proportion would decrease considering the Israeli population which is largely in favor of these actions. I suspect the jews who are in opposition had to go out of their way to unlearn the propaganda they're raised with. As is the case with any people, most will not escape the comfort zone of their beliefs or perceptions.
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u/EthusiasmSupporter Jul 21 '24
Cuties ❤️
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u/dallyan Jul 21 '24
For real. Where is their gofundmes for legal expenses? Free the anti-Zionist hotties.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Jul 21 '24
Tabshir Rizvi, 23, and Mohammed Faroun, 22, were accused of spray painting “Free Gaza” on the flag at Woodman’s Food Market on June 24, according to the DuPage County State’s Attorney’s Office.
The incident took place around 11:25 p.m. when Rizvi and Faroun reportedly used a can of red spray paint to deface the Israeli flag in the international food aisle before exiting the store. Following an investigation, Bloomingdale police identified the suspects, leading to Faroun’s turning himself in Tuesday and Rizvi turning himself in Wednesday. Both have been released on personal recognizance.
Each suspect faces two counts of hate crime, a Class 4 felony, along with misdemeanor charges of criminal damage to property and disorderly conduct.
“I find the charges against these two men extremely disturbing,” DuPage County State’s Attorney Robert Berlin said in a statement. “Hate crimes, such as alleged in this case, not only affect the intended target, but can also have a devastating effect on entire communities. As I have said before, DuPage County prides itself on being an extremely welcoming community to all and we will not tolerate any type of behavior based on hatred or prejudice.”
The defendants’ arraignment is set for Aug. 13, before Judge Daniel Guerin
wtf I thought the state attorney was going to say they found the hate crime charges for people defacing an Israeli flag in a grocery store (a misdemeanor at most) was “extremely disturbing” in that it’s a ridiculous charge, but instead he says it’s because those crimes also harm the community.
Truly shameful.
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u/spokeca Jul 21 '24
Clearly, political speech (and vandalism). 1A.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24
I wholeheartedly agree, it’s like if someone spray painted an American flag during the Iraq invasion with “stop the false pretense invasion of Iraq”. It’s not a hate crime even if it’s vandalism.
I searched for Illinois law and they don’t make it easy to find the exact definitions used, but I was able to find:
Under Illinois law, any of the following may be a hate crime if motivated by someone’s actual or perceived race, color, national origin, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, immigration or citizenship status, physical or mental disability:
Assault or battery • Theft • Intimidation (threats) • Stalking or cyberstalking • Harassment by telephone, email, or social media, or sending obscene messages by phone • Trespassing or damaging property • Disorderly conduct or mob action
It sounds so vague and broadly encompassing that it would take incredibly little effort/mental gymnastics by police/prosecutors to be able to bring forward hate crime charges. The prosecutors can seemingly just claim that the Israeli flag means the vandalism was about national origin or immigration/citizenship status given it was in the international section of the grocery store, and suddenly it’s a hate crime.
That’s absurd.
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u/G0ld_Ru5h Jul 22 '24
Beyonce needs to re-record that song. “🎼Who runs the world? _____ 🎶Who runs the wo-oo-rld? _____🎶”
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u/Particular-Crow-1799 Jul 21 '24
No guys the israeli lobby does not control the west trust me
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u/UnchillBill Jul 21 '24
Shhhh, there is no Israel lobby, it’s just an antisemitic trope, AIPAC and the Zionist Federation aren’t lobbyists they’re just a bunch of chill Israelis who want to be friends. Seriously.
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u/tenderooskies Jul 21 '24
just not seeing how this is a hate crime in any way - this case will be dropped you’d think, can’t imagine this is one the da will win
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u/MaeByourmom Jul 21 '24
I wish/hope that were true. This isn’t that far from me.
Knowing the politics of this region, I’m afraid for these guys. Just their names tell me they are in serious jeopardy. There’s a lot of “We Stand with Israel” signs and sentiment in this area.
Zionism depends on equating Israel with all Jews, so that any criticism of the state/government of Israel is considered antisemitism. And Zionists also equate any acknowledgment of the humanity of Palestinians or Gazans and the reality of the oppression, occupation, apartheid and genocide as antisemitism too.
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u/tenderooskies Jul 21 '24
same. unfortunately a lot depends on lawyers and $$ as well. assuming they have go fund me?
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u/Garlic_C00kies Jul 21 '24
I love how the guy in the right is smiling. Unironically goes hard ngl
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u/Impressive_Scheme_53 Jul 21 '24
Free Gaza seems like a statement of love not hate to me, rightfully placed on the flag of the terrorist state perpetuating genocide.
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u/AbdullahMRiad Jul 21 '24
Hating Israelis: "Oh no how can you be such an anti-semite? You have to be charged for a hate crime!"
Hating Palestinians: "Yes these terrorism activities need to be condemned. Go ahead."
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u/DVD-RW Jul 21 '24
I would feel proud burning anything related to the genocidal and terrorist "state" of Israhell.
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u/Useuless Jul 21 '24
Operation "All my homies hate Israel" has been a smashing success up to this point
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u/banquozone Jul 21 '24
We have to protect these men. Or else they will make an example out of them. Please let’s follow their case and make sure they have good lawyers.
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u/LilBearLulu Jul 21 '24
DuPage County is awful. They're racist as hell on a good day. These poor guys are going to need really good lawyers.
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u/originalbL1X Jul 21 '24
Cool, make them prove it in court. Just subpoena a few Rabbis as witnesses to explain how anti-Zionism is not antisemitism.
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u/Low-Unit-3085 Jul 21 '24
How about fuck Israel _ they are evil
I think that’s more of a generalist direction
Or should they have been more cryptic
Or is that took much for one flag?
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u/Low-Unit-3085 Jul 21 '24
Ida done the same - I think it’s extra bad in the eyes of the store maybe because it was inside - idk
freegaza
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u/pheight57 Jul 21 '24
Attorney here: This 100% was vandalism, and they should be prosecuted, they damaged/destroyed someone else's property, but calling it a hate crime is dumb and any conviction of it in this instance is going to be a violation of their First Amendment rights, which would give them a very good chance of having the hate crime conviction overturned on appeal.
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u/TequieroVerde Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24
We have a corrupt Supreme Court, corrupt Congress, and a felon running for president for a party seeking absolute authoritarian rule.
The nine members squad can't change this country on their own. I'm afraid that the great experiment is over.
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u/TheGun1991 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24
Here’s my question and I dare in the most peacefully way everyone to answer HONESTLY : “WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF SOMEONE SPRAYED ON THE PALESTINIAN FLAG 🇵🇸 “Terrorists” , Do you think that “hypothetical” Zionists would be charged with “Hate Speech” ? So rhetorical questions aside you can understand that it’s a ONE Sense NARRATIVE, that proves that JUSTICE is NOT the SAME for Everyone
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u/El3ctricalSquash Jul 22 '24
It’s incredible that the KKK is protected as free speech, but this crosses the line.
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u/CandidEgglet Jul 21 '24
So the protected group here is… Israel?
I have to say, with as many countries that have religious symbols in their flags, this could get messy
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Jul 22 '24
Israel's fascism will continue to spill over into other countries all the while they are governed by people who support Israel. Every civil right eroded to protect Israel and every protest violently quashed will lead to more resentment resulting in increasingly insane levels of fascist oppression in order to try and maintain power and support of Israel.
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u/ttystikk Jul 22 '24
I'd look the prosecutor straight in the eye and say, SEAT THAT JURY!
It's all about freedom of speech!
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u/ukdev1 Jul 21 '24
The key point would be who owns the flag. You can burn your own American flag, you can spray what you like on your own Israeli flag. You can’t spray paint on or burn other people flags. It’s not that hard to understand and certainly not “complete insanity”.
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