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International Putin Says Russia Hit Ukraine With New Mid-Range Ballistic Missile that can't be stopped

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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 23 '24

Nov 22, 2024 - [NDTV] Moscow: Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the country's forces had hit Ukraine with a new mid-range ballistic missile.

Putin said in a televised address that Russia carried out "testing in combat conditions of one of the newest Russian mid-range missile systems... Our engineers named it Oreshnik," which means hazel tree in Russian.

Russia struck the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro with a barrage of missiles early Thursday.

The Ukrainian air force and President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of apparently using an intercontinental ballistic missile, while Ukrainian experts were still examining the evidence to ascertain the type of missile used.

Putin said in his address that Russia launched a combined strike on a defence industry target in Ukraine.

He described Oreshnik as a "ballistic missile" that was deployed in this case "in a non-nuclear hypersonic configuration", saying that the "test" had been successful and had hit its target.

Air defences cannot intercept the Oreshnik, which attacks at a speed of Mach 10, or 2.5-3 kilometres per second, Putin said.

"Modern air defence systems... cannot intercept such missiles. That's impossible," he said.

"As of today there are no means of counteracting such a weapon," the president boasted.

He said Russia was testing the Oreshnik in combat conditions "in response to the aggressive actions of NATO countries towards Russia."https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/putin-says-russia-hit-ukraine-with-new-mid-range-ballistic-missile-7074880

Video: smotri media telegram

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u/cce29555 Nov 23 '24

This sounds the opposite of good

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u/Beepboopblapbrap Nov 23 '24

pushes the whole world into global conflict

Wow how could the Americans do this!?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24

Lol are you blind ?

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u/AdDue7140 Nov 23 '24

So many Russian shills replying to this lmao

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u/Foreign-Dig-537 Nov 23 '24

Americans? who pushed the button to fire those missiles, whos army crossed over a soverent border to control that country. That was not America, that was putin.

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u/twoanddone_9737 Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

Look, I’m American but Russia has been invaded through that border three times in the past 150 years and the last time it happened was during a war in which they lost 20 million men.

If we saw Mexico about to join a Russian alliance whose members consistently host Russian nuclear weapons, we would be doing the same thing. Invading Mexico to at least create a buffer zone.

But in reality we would have the president of Mexico killed within a week and replaced with a US friendly head of state. Essentially what Russia tried but failed to do. And this would be consistent with how our country has behaved militarily for pretty much all of modern history.

This is just what would happen. Plain and simple. We almost immolated the entire world when the Soviets tried to station nuclear weapons in Cuba, which was a country that was already adversarial towards us - never mind a country like Ukraine which was creating economic ties with us. Honestly we’re lucky they’re not as belligerent as we are and that they don’t have the military capabilities we do.

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u/PaulDecember Nov 23 '24

Prepare to be called a "Putin Puppet" for stating simple facts.

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u/UonBarki Nov 24 '24

he's right. The difference is that he never said Russia was justified. Just why they did it. This time, yes Putin is the evil villain.

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u/Foreign-Dig-537 Nov 23 '24

russia has invaded through its westerns border much more than it was invaded through it. what 3 times are you talking about. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons' in exchange for it legal borders. the USA actually helped russia with this deal. this treaty is what has allowed russia to be able to invade Ukraine. they would not of done it if they still had there nuclear weapons'. Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

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u/insanekos Nov 23 '24

Are you saying that USSR pushing NAZI Germany west was actually invading? You are BEYOND brain washed.

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u/Foreign-Dig-537 22d ago

no that is not what I said. russia has invaded more countries than have been invaded. yes they pushed back germany during the war, that was not a invasion . russia keeping poland and many more countries and not untill the soviet union broke up did these countries get there own governance back, ukaine was one of these also

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Its exactly the other way round. Russia invaded and thats why Ukraine wants to join NATO. And hell, without the ful-scale invasion in 2022 they literally wouldnt have been able to.

So either way this excuse doesnt work (nevermind the fact that "america would also do this" is an argument against, not fpr something)

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Im pretty sure it was a joke

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u/SubstantialSchool437 Nov 23 '24

i hate russian leadership but wasn’t this in response to ukraine launching us and brit supplied ballistic missiles?

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Italy Nov 23 '24

Yes it was

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u/SubstantialSchool437 Nov 23 '24

let’s hope my asshole leaders and their asshole leaders stop escalating shit before they do something that can never be undone.

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u/Tehkin Nov 23 '24

WW3 is coming in 2025

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u/Moist-Spread1510 Nov 23 '24

No and to relax your immense desire of war I heard a new Call of Duty is coming, plithics may do stupid things but they wouldn’t put a gun into their mouths , today war between nuclear capable countries is basically that put a 22 on your mouth and pull the trigger

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u/LiquidNova77 Nov 23 '24

. 22mm would be a terrible suicide gun. You'd probably live through it..

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u/Moist-Spread1510 Nov 23 '24

To prove how dumb the situation is

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

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u/rappa-dappa Nov 23 '24

Buddy…everyone gets flattened if it goes nuclear.

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u/LifesPinata Nov 23 '24

Mate, don't be ridiculous. If Russia is attacked by NATO with nukes, you think they're just going to perish Willy nilly?

They'll fucking Nuke every single NATO country to the stone age. No one's surviving a nuclear attack on that scale.

MAD exists for a reason

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u/Signal-Chapter3904 Nov 23 '24

Dude thats not clear at all. Russia has battlefield nukes that if used in ukraine, while devastating, wouldn't be the end of the world. The retaliation by the US however, would be.

The US would be psychotic to escalate that to full scale thermonuclear war, even though a nuke had technically been used.

You should insist on peace. An ugly peace is better than ww3, even if it means ukraine must cede territory that they have already lost. Which track suit that gets to rule over the Donbas shouldn't matter to you.

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u/Tehkin Nov 23 '24

doesn't need to go nuclear to start a world war, qnd if you don't believe me, i'll be proved right soon enough anyway

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

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u/Tehkin Nov 23 '24

it doesn't take a psychic to see it, Israel has done nothing but expand its genocide and has started threatening to attack western countries and the russia/ukraine war continues to escalate. on top of that Putin has made it clear that he is willing to push it that far into all out war. Franz Ferdinand has been killed and the war is coming whether you like it or not

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

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u/BerBerBaBer Nov 23 '24

There is something serious going on in the world in general and if you think that all of the countries who have never had a voice before are not going to take this opportunity to re-align themselves, I don't know... Maybe I'm wrong.

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u/prizixzz Nov 23 '24

This man keeps on yappin and yappin all the time. Just do it unready. Threats is all i hear. Much talk but no work as usual.

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u/DependentFeature3028 Nov 23 '24

I wonder what Biden was thinking when he allowed Ukraine to hit russia

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u/Old_pooch Nov 23 '24

'Man, where did I leave that doughnut? the chocolate one with the sprinkles on it, they remind me of the beach...'

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Probably that he wants his presidency remembered as slightly less of a failure and thus made the bst descision of his tenure right at its end

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u/samalam1 Nov 23 '24

Ww3 is on the horizon because of US escalation, which Russia are responding to.

Putin doing this was an entirely predictable response.

Biden poked the bear harder than any US president in the last 70 years (not even the cold war saw US weapons launched into Russian soil) and you call it the best decision of his presidency. Psychotic.

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Idk, the escalation was the russian invasion of a sovereign neighbour. Anything done in response, up to and including any conventional military measure, is a legitimate response

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u/sala215 Nov 23 '24

You scared 😱

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Italy Nov 23 '24

Politics aside, the way he described it is kinda funny.

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u/iboreddd Nov 23 '24

Looks like a loading screen of a modern time strategy game

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u/WrayzNephew Nov 23 '24

Link to full speech pls?

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u/stewartm0205 Nov 23 '24

Forgets to mention he only has a few in his inventory. Everyone he used means one fewer in his nuclear arsenal.

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u/jpeazi Nov 23 '24

No counter measures exist against Putin’s hands moving either. Eight minutes straight, not even a finger moves

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u/paxcoder Nov 23 '24

Right, Russia is a peace-loving conqueror of Georgia, invader of Ukraine, sponsor of the junta in Libya, and collaborator of North Korea. Not a dangerous state at all /s

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Italy Nov 23 '24

I wonder who installed the junta in Libya, destroying the country in the meantime, in 2011.

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u/paxcoder Nov 24 '24 edited Nov 25 '24

You mean the libyan Government? How is that a junta? But anyway, if by "install them" you mean helped them win the First Libyan War, the answer is: Your country did that. Along with other countries implementing UN resolutions. Which I was personally opposed to at the time. How about them apples?

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u/JuanGone2bed Nov 23 '24

Remove "Russia" and insert "U.S" and increase the list of invaded / toppled ( soft and hard) countries at least 10 fold. Who's more dangerous ?

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Both Russian and American Imperialism are bad, dude

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u/BabaLalSalaam Nov 23 '24

Both cigarettes and fentanyl are bad dude.

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u/paxcoder Nov 24 '24

Whataboutism and a dishonest analogy (proportionally off - for the reasons I staded before).

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u/BabaLalSalaam Nov 24 '24

Its not whataboutism when the sentiment I'm responding to is literally "they're both bad". But it agree the proportions are off-- Russian imperialism is regional while American imperialism is global.

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u/paxcoder Nov 24 '24

What you're replying to is itself a reply to whataboutism, and seems to be meant as a counter-whataboutist comment.

As for what about America, does the fact that Russia "only" performs "special military operatiosn" in neighboring countries make Russia less dangerous? Plenty of sovereign countries border Russia. They also obviously intervene in Syria, then via Wagner, then via a military junta in Libya... (and I'm not even counting).

Disclaimer: I was against the war in Iraq and the war in Libya. In fact, I tend to be against wars, and above all - wars of invasion.

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u/BabaLalSalaam Nov 24 '24

What you're replying to is itself a reply to whataboutism, and seems to be meant as a counter-whataboutist comment.

Does this kind of discourse really pass for conversation on your home planet? Is your reply meant to be a counter-counter-whataboutism to the counter-whataboutism to the whataboutism? It's like you have nothing better to say.

does the fact that Russia "only" performs "special military operatiosn" in neighboring countries make Russia less dangerous?

You're asking whether a country that can only project power regionally is less dangerous than a country that can project power globally? Is that really a question?

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u/paxcoder Nov 24 '24

Russia does project power beyond its borders, and the causes it supports should be considered. So yes, I guess since for some reason we have to discuss how Russia compares to the US (whataboutism), I am asking if it is safer for the world than the US or not. For my country in particular, I'm not afraid that the US or its allies invade it. But there is a possibility that it will wage war with someone that Russia supports. The threat of US is more of an ideological colonization than brute force.

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u/BabaLalSalaam Nov 24 '24 edited Nov 24 '24

Russia does project power beyond its borders

It projects its power in its own region, and has a very limited sphere of influence among pariah states. That's it-- but it doesn't rally the world to destroy the poorest places on earth on the other side of the globe.

I guess since for some reason we have to discuss how Russia compares to the US (whataboutism)

I know how desperate you are to find a buzzword that just invalidates everything I say without you having to make a real argument, but you can't just scream "whataboutism" any time two things are compared. Basic comparisons are not whataboutism-- if you can't handle that then you aren't fit for this discussion.

I am asking if it is safer for the world than the US or not.

"Is it safer for the world than the US" is not a question. Is what safer for the world? Safer than the US... doing what? You can't even seem to finish a thought.

For my country in particular, I'm not afraid that the US or its allies invade it.

And it turns out, you're not even interested in the world's safety-- you're just interested in how it impacts your own country which you do not name.

The threat of US is more of an ideological colonization than brute force.

Ideological, economic, governmental, and yes-- brute force too. What makes you think the US doesn't engage in brute force imperialism? Have you heard of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Cambodia, China, Congo, Cuba, El Salvador, Korea, Guatemala, Indonesia, Laos, Grenada, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Vietnam, Yemen, or Yugoslavia? Those nations hold one third of the world's population-- what percentage of the world does Russia threaten, invade, and bomb?

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

This but unironically

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u/BabaLalSalaam Nov 23 '24

Unironically of course. The only irony here is pretending that whatever happens on the other side of the world in Donbas is a legitimate concern for the American working class.

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u/OfficialDampSquid Nov 23 '24

It's not like there's only one available spot for the "dangerous country" position

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u/JuanGone2bed Nov 23 '24

No but when all western media propaganda paints it as such you need to combat the misinformation. If I was in the Russo sphere I would be doing the same in the opposite direction

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u/TheApprentice19 Nov 23 '24

In the world where counter measures are wholly ineffective, how do we keep the world from destroying itself?

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u/eggressive Nov 23 '24

There are countermeasures. It is only that Ukraine doesn’t have them.

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u/TheApprentice19 Nov 23 '24

Putin took the time to say that he hit Ukraine with a new type of missile. there’s no way of knowing how our counter measures stack up against their new tech that isn’t risky. The adversarial nature of our relationship with Russia is insanity.

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u/eggressive Nov 23 '24

I agree with the adversarial part.

However, the Oreshnik IRBM is not a new type. It was developed from the RS-26 Rubezh, but that doesn't make its 6 warheads less formidable.

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u/gtechfan1960 Nov 23 '24

We need to send them some heavier stuff.

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u/Modesty541 Nov 23 '24

I thought the mere thought of trump was supposed to deter this.

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Italy Nov 23 '24

It looks like the Dems are trying to start ww3 before Trump takes office.

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u/mr_fandangler Nov 23 '24

Now, I'm no expert, but I do know that laser tech has been rapidly evolving, and that's what the public knows about. To say that it is "impossible" to stop such a missile might be an overstatement, but again I don't know either way.

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u/waldleben Nov 23 '24

Lasers are not an effective defense against hypersonic missiles and wont be for a while. But that doesnt mean they cant be intercepted

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u/Lev_Davidovich Nov 23 '24

Iran's attack on Israel and Russia's attack on Ukraine has demonstrated that the West has no defense against hypersonic ballistic missiles. It's not impossible to intercept them but it is extremely difficult. The footage of the incoming missiles in both situations is demonstrable proof.

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u/mr_fandangler Nov 23 '24

I also have this suspicion that the US is not going to use it's most cutting-edge defensive technology for it's allies, but again, I don't know.

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u/DisciplineIll6821 Nov 23 '24

The US MIC is secretive for two reasons: to obscure when it has the upper hand for sure, but also to obscure vulnerability.

We are no longer the country that speaks softly and carries a big stick. Given how loud we yammer about foreign threats I can only imagine our stick is quite a bit smaller than americans think.

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u/iboreddd Nov 23 '24

He's right. Those cannot be intercepted

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u/lafarda Nov 23 '24

This almost proves it was intercepted.

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u/Feeling_Athlete9042 Nov 23 '24

He should get arrested for emotional abuse, and gaslighting lol