r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Oct 18 '24
Ukraine/Russia Putin says Russia won't let Ukraine obtain nuclear weapons
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u/speakhyroglyphically Oct 18 '24
Oct 18, 2024 - MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday Russia would not let Ukraine get nuclear weapons, after Ukraine's leader said that since Kyiv had given up its Soviet-era nuclear arms, it must join NATO.
Putin said any move by Ukraine to get nuclear weapons could not be concealed and would draw an appropriate Russian response. "Russia will not allow this to happen, no matter what," he told reporters.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Thursday he had told U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump that Ukraine needed either nuclear weapons or NATO membership for its security - but as it gave up nuclear weapons after the break-up of the Soviet Union, joining NATO was the only way it could deter Russia.
Zelenskiy later clarified that he had never said Ukraine was preparing to build a nuclear weapon. "We don't do nuclear weapons. Please, don't move these messages," he said....https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-wont-let-ukraine-obtain-nuclear-weapons-2024-10-18/
Video source: Smotri Media
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u/DependentFeature3028 Oct 18 '24
Zelensky is a clown
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 18 '24
Wow.
You know Ukraine is currently experiencing genocide, right?
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u/DependentFeature3028 Oct 19 '24
Ukraine is nowhere close to the death toll in Gaza
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
Not the point. Genocide is more than just ‘when people die’- there have been extremely deadly wars with a complete disregard for human life that weren’t genocide, and it’s possible to commit genocide without killing a single person.
Both Ukraine and Palestine are experiencing genocides.
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u/-POSTBOY- Oct 19 '24
They aren’t. They’re at war.
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
You know Russia has (according to the United Nations) destroyed or, quote, ‘damaged beyond repair’ roughly 80-95% of all the buildings in the city of Mariupol? Within the first three months of the war? That was a city with a pre-war population greater than 39/50 U.S state capitals. And it’s just fucking gone. It got Dresden’d. It got Hamburg’d. Berlin’d, Warsaw’d, Stalingrad’d, Rotterdam’d, fucking Hiroshima’d. It’s just gone.
Over 200 schools were hit within the first three months of the war. Civilian casualties likely exceed the amount of people that have died in fucking Gaza, for goodness sake. We have dozens of cases, all spread out, of Russian soldiers firing upon civilian vehicles. Kharkiv has been struck with over a dozen missile strikes every single day for over a year now, almost all of which go on to strike purely civilian targets. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of the 4th of April, 2024, Russia has bombed roughly ~1,682 hospitals and healthcare facilities in Ukraine. Over 1,500 hospitals and healthcare facilities. Like, holy fucking shit.
Ukrainian POWs are being released severely malnourished and mistreated. I watched a video of over a hundred Ukrainian POWs exiting a bus after finally arriving back in Ukraine following a prisoner swap, and I do not exaggerate when I say that every single one of them looked like they just walked out of fucking Auschwitz. I’m serious. I actually went and compared real photos of Auschwitz prisoners out of disbelief, and I’m dead serious when I say they looked almost identical.
Russia has been deliberately targeting energy infrastructure throughout the winter, and almost every single fucking day they hit another apartment complex. The global community overwhelmingly agrees they have been, and currently are, targeting highway intersections at rush hour. They are also being tried for simply fighting- which is a war crime. So is driving around in vehicles marked as ambulances, but we have photos of Russia doing that. We have Ukrainian civilians being forced to wear Russian uniforms so they get shot at by Ukrainian troops while they dig mass graves to put the bodies of other Ukrainian civilians who died being forced to dig trenches.
Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children have been kidnapped and deported to what are literally called ‘re-education’ camps within Russia- hastily made prisons built out of former convention centres, and the like. There are dozens of reports of them being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem on repeat, being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being told their parents abandoned them, etc. Do you not know just how many people… children, even… report not just witnessing torture take place, but being tortured, personally? The sheer rate of human right abuses in these ‘re-education camps’ is actually fucking unfathonable.
There are dozens, fucking dozens of cases of them launching missiles at civilian structures, and then launching a second missile roughly 30 minutes after. All the time. Over and over and over again. This is clearly an attempt to kill firefighters and medical workers- it’s called a ‘double-tap’ strike. Torture chambers are found en-masse wherever Ukraine liberates territory. I know of videos of fucking children, crying, while confessing to having been tortured there. Apparently, the torture rooms for children are just the same as the others… with the exception that they have carpet. That’s the difference. I remember reading testimony (from a fucking child, my god), about a guy he saw hanging from the ceiling, suspended by hooks in his body, with blood pooling half an inch deep on the floor.
We have mass graves filled with literally hundreds of civilian bodies, many with their hands bound, being found in liberated territories. Bucha wasn’t the only massacre… it’s just the most well-known. Every other day we detect a new one that wasn’t there yesterday suddenly appearing in the occupied territories- ominously filled in holes in church yards and stuff. We see them appear on satellite feed. How do you explain a hole in the ground filled with 500 dead civilians… curiously, where 95% of which were women? Ages ranged from 80 year old grandmas to 6 year old girls. I’ve literally seen fucking photos of it.
There are videos, made by Russian soldiers, of them openly laughing about the war crimes they have committed. We have leaked footage of a Russian teleconference call literally discussing the logistics of kidnapping children. Russian state-owned media regularly features people openly advocating for the deliberate murder of literally millions of Ukrainians. I remember one clip I watched of someone suggesting Russian soldiers systematically drown Ukrainian children in the Dnipro river. Putin literally denies the existence of a Ukrainian identity.
An article was published exactly 48 hours after the start of the war, on the dot, by Russian state-owned media channel RIA Novosti. It called for, quote, the ‘liquidation’ of the Ukrainian leadership; referred to, quote, the ‘Ukrainian Question’ (sound familiar?); and celebrated the assimilation and obliteration of Ukrainian culture. An exact quote is ‘did the old fools at Berlin and Paris think Kyiv would forever remain out of Russian hands? That the Russians would forever remain a divided people?’. Said article was taken down a few hours later, so clearly it was leaked by accident. Thankfully, it’s available on the Internet archive.
It also talked about Ukraine in past-tense, so it was likely published automatically, and intended to as a celebration for when Russia conquered Ukraine, which explains the to-the-minute perfect timing. It also just goes to show they really did intend to conquer Ukraine in mere days. Which makes sense, we found parade uniforms in the 60 kilometer long tank column that rode in a straight line directly towards Kyiv from the minute the war began, after all. You know, the one Ukraine blunted entirely?
We have over a dozen instances of Ukrainian soldiers being castrated- one of them was caught on video, for the love of god. There is literally a fucking example of Ukrainian civilians being murdered in a literally fucking gas chamber by a Russian general. But it’s just the one example, so no biggie, right? There were photos that surfaced of a Ukrainian soldier, whose head was fucking decapitated and impaled upon a stick outside of Bakhmut. They literally directly struck a tiny, 5x5 meter large Holocaust Memorial, in an empty field, with no military targets of any kind around for miles. It was just a small circle with a statue in the middle, dedicated to a massacre that occurred in that very field, It was less than five meters wide, and yet the very top of the statue was struck directly by an artillery shell, blowing it to pieces. A fucking Holocaust Memorial.
What does all that tell you?
EDIT: Anybody who downvotes a comment like this deserves… something I’m not allowed to say as per Rule 1. You people are no better than the millions denying the genocide in Palestine.
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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Cyprus Oct 19 '24
You are exaggerating that civilian casualty numbers by a huge margin, https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/ukraine/ukraine-situation-report-17-september-2024-enuk
Unless you mean white slav lives equals to 100x brown muslim lives
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
Um, which figures am I exaggerating, specifically?
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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Cyprus Oct 19 '24
That there are more than 50k civilian casualties, its below 1k
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
Wtf. Okay, I made a lot of comments, so just to clarify- where did I say that?
And secondly: the UN says at least 10k.
At least being the operative term here- given their criteria for adding to that number, the real death toll is likely many times higher.
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u/-POSTBOY- Oct 19 '24
You’re describing a war, not a genocide. Look to Palestine for a better example of one. There’s a much stronger case there.
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Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
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u/-POSTBOY- Oct 19 '24
Half of what you’re saying is either exaggerated greatly or made up entirely. Ukraine is in a war with Russia, they are not experiencing a genocide.
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
…Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Debunk a single thing I’ve said.
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u/-POSTBOY- Oct 19 '24
I’m not here to waste time debunking something as stupid as saying Ukraine is experiencing a genocide
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
You claimed my long list of arguments was full of outright lies.
As such, I challenge you to prove even a single one is a lie.
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u/CrazyMarsupial7320 Oct 19 '24
I hope you're just as outspoken about Israel and USA's genocide in Gaza.
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
And I sure hope you’re just as outspoken about Russia’s genocide in Ukraine.
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u/CrazyMarsupial7320 Oct 19 '24
The West has spoken out against Russia and implemented multiple sanctions packages over the past 2.5 years and has provided billions in aid to Ukraine. In contrast, the West is helping Israel commit genocide and expand its war into other countries. This is why it’s extremely important for people to speak out against Israel’s genocide - because unlike with Ukraine, our governments are actually aiding and abetting the Genocide in Gaza.
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u/Gamerboy11116 Oct 19 '24
I think I agree. But I’m not comfortable saying that it’s more, or less, important to talk about different genocides. There comes a point where it’s so evil, that it doesn’t matter.
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u/NovaKaizr Oct 19 '24
See how he pivots to justify his actions.
"We need to stop Ukraine joining NATO"
That wasn't really discussed before you invaded
"Their leaders are nazis"
Their leaders are less authoritarian than you
"They are oppressing ethnic russians"
There was no evidence of that, and also now you are forcibly kidnapping Ukrainian children to Russia
"They want nukes"
As an alternativ to NATO, because they need some way to discourage aggression from countries like yours
This "special military operation" was never about any of those things. It was about influence, power, resources and land. After the Ukrainian people ousted Putin's puppet he got mad and decided to punish the entire country by taking Crimea, probably hoping to scare them into compliance. That didn't work so he moved on to Donbas. This is all because Putin wants to control Ukraine, and if he can't do it politically he will do it militarily
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