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International US and Arab states reportedly in talks with Iran for ceasefire on all war fronts
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-and-arab-states-reportedly-in-talks-with-iran-for-ceasefire-on-all-war-fronts/261
u/Danavixen Oct 09 '24
israel won't listen regardless
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u/ingratiatingGoblino Oct 09 '24
Yep. The United States is having a Doctor Frankenstein moment just in time for Halloween.
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u/Downtown_Structure75 Oct 09 '24
Problem ain't Iran lol, all that matter is if the US is willing to stop Israel.
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u/mwa12345 Oct 09 '24
True.
Seems anyone involved in. Negotiations gets killed . And to negotiate, someone has to be accessible.
Wouldn't be surprised if this isn't a ruse
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u/Dame2Miami Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Israel walks away from negotiations every time. They get to the table for PR purposes and then at some point they walk away every time. Same pattern for decades. Israel doesn’t want peace, never has—they want blood and land.
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u/Lanfear_Eshonai Oct 09 '24
Exactly. And then they blame the Palestinians when Israel walks away.
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u/baddadjokesminusdad Oct 09 '24
Maybe that’s what they’ll bring to the discussion table:”….maybe someday down the line…we give netan yahoo a little genocide? As a treat?”
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u/ashenhaired Oct 09 '24
Beside, they already have a grudge against the West since they make them look like schmucks after breaking their promise to hold back Israel if Iran didn't retaliate about Hamas spokesman in Iran.
I mean, Iran were the morons who believed pinky promises have any meaning in politics but still.
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u/eagleal Oct 09 '24
Who assures you that internal USA's politicians (administration + congress) even have the power to stop Netanyahu now?
This thing of thinking of countries as 1 giant monolitic beast. When people talk about fall of hegemony, is because the first symptom is fractured and weak internal politics.
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u/No-Anybody-4094 Oct 09 '24
They should stop Israel first. Biden was defending bombing Iran's oil industry the other day. What kind of ceasefire is this?
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u/passporttohell Ireland Oct 09 '24
And then Biden remembered that Iran has threatened to send missiles against every oil producing country in the mideast sending oil prices higher than ever before.
Gee, guess there really is a reason to yank back the chain on the Israeli attack dog. Hard.
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u/_2B- Oct 09 '24
This is undoubtedly a ploy for the next Democratic candidate to look better, by the current administration pretending to do something about a situation it has funded and directly advocated whether or not its citizens benefited from, at the expense of minorities lives it also pretends to care about. Will it work? Yes and no. It really does show how dumb they think not only their voters are, but the general public of the United States of America too.
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u/horridgoblyn Oct 09 '24
When you are supplying arms and running interference for a genocidal terrorist regime, it doesn't matter how many times you claim you are committed to peace or a ceasefire. You. Are. Lying.
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u/northernbelle96 Oct 09 '24
Lol
US pretending to work for peace while arming the aggressor, take #577 in the last 12 months, meanwhile people still fall for it and post this as “news”
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u/Tokaero Oct 09 '24
They aren’t talking to the right people. Iran may be persuaded to back down but I’d bet a months salary the Israel will ‘defend’ themselves again and we’ll be back to square one.
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u/mwa12345 Oct 09 '24
Suspect more lies Ceasefire talk is how US buys time. Maybe they need to send a few more shipments or arms, parts heck. Even F35s.
Like the 'peace process'
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u/augustusalpha Oct 09 '24
Netanyahu to Biden: middle finger.
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u/Trugrave Oct 09 '24
But Biden is so fucking mad at bibi tho
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u/lookaway123 Oct 09 '24
He used a swear?? Israel will stop slaughtering the innocent now for sure!
Biden just needs to distract the media for a few more weeks by pretending to put in some effort so the West Bank can be completely annexed and cleared out. Then Harris can continue party policy and pretend her hands are tied.
That smiling, stuttering old fool is the world's bogeyman. He makes me wish hell was real.
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u/ControlCAD Oct 09 '24
The United States and Arab states have launched covert talks with Iran for a comprehensive ceasefire aimed at calming all war fronts at once, according to an Israeli television report Tuesday.
Channel 12 news reported that Israel is not currently involved in the initiative, but that senior Israeli officials have been informed about it.
The network noted that it was not clear how the efforts would affect the Gaza Strip, which is more complex than the rest of the fronts due to Israel’s desire to continue fighting even after a potential hostage deal, in order to ensure Hamas can never again constitute a threat, and the terror group’s demand for a full Israeli withdrawal in any deal.
The report added that Israel has not yet told the US what its stance on the initiative is.
“We are currently in a position of power, a ceasefire will be on our terms, including a [Hezbollah] withdrawal beyond the Litani [River] and the dismantling of all military Hezbollah sites in areas near the border,” a senior Israeli official was quoted as saying.
The report came as Hezbollah seemed to drop its demand for a truce in Gaza as a condition for reaching a ceasefire in Lebanon, rowing back from an oft-repeated promise to keep up its rocket and drone barrages until Israel halts its offensive against the Lebanese terror group’s Iran-backed ally Hamas.
But Naim Qassem, the deputy leader of Hezbollah, broke that link in a televised speech on Tuesday, even as he promised to continue to stand with Hamas and Palestinians in their battle with Israel.
Qassem, now Hezbollah’s top official after its chief Hassan Nasrallah was killed in an Israeli strike, said he backed efforts by Lebanese parliament speaker Nabih Berri, a Hezbollah ally, to secure a truce — without setting a precondition.
“We support the political activity being led by Berri under the title of a ceasefire,” Qassem said. “If the enemy (Israel) continues its war, then the battlefield will decide.”
Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters his terror group was still “confident in Hezbollah’s stance linking any agreement with a halt to the war in Gaza,” citing previous Hezbollah statements.
However, a Lebanese government official who declined to be named told Reuters that Hezbollah had amended its position because of a host of pressures, including the mass displacement of people from the main constituencies where supporters of the Muslim Shiite group live in south Lebanon and Beirut’s southern suburbs.
Top lawmakers from other sects in Lebanon’s patchwork politics have in recent days called for a resolution to end fighting that does not link the future of Lebanon — a nation that was already crippled by an economic crisis before the latest conflict — to the Gaza war.
“We will not tie our fate to the fate of Gaza,” veteran Lebanese Druze figure Walid Jumblatt said on Monday.
Diplomats who also noted the shift said Hezbollah may have left it too late to generate any diplomatic momentum. Israel intensified its offensive by sending ground troops across more sections of the Lebanese-Israeli border on Tuesday and is continuing airstrikes on Beirut and elsewhere.
Israel’s “ruling logic” now was military rather than diplomatic, said one diplomat working on Lebanon.
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u/RealHabit2560 Oct 09 '24
It seems that against a well armed and an organized military, Israel is helpless. Israel only has power against people against stateless, defenceless people for the past 76 years.
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u/ShakyTheBear Oct 09 '24
All the US has to do is tell everyone that if Isreal doesn't stop it's aggression the US will stop the flow of arms and funds to Isreal. If Isreal then doesn't stop, fulfill the promise. All countries know that If Isreal does stop, and they are attacked, the wrath of the US would be invoked.
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u/April_Fabb Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Last time I checked, Iran didn't initiate any wars in the last century, while the US has been consistently involved in conflicts—particularly fucking up the Middle East. Notably, in the 1950s, the CIA and MI6 staged a coup to overthrow Iran’s PM, because he had the audacity to nationalise the oil industry and entertaining leftist ideas. So, why is that the US gets to call Iran a destabilising force?
edit: I just like to clarify that I'm by no means trying to forgive Iranian's despicable government and their regressive domestic policies.
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u/passporttohell Ireland Oct 09 '24
The same prime minister that had been named the George Washington of Iran the previous year in Time magazine.
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u/Spirited-Reputation6 Oct 09 '24
Sounds like good news but I think they need to check Israel first.
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u/Automatic-One7845 Oct 09 '24
hahah us and arab states talking like they have any control over israel. israel is gonna whatever the fuck it wants whenever the fuck it wants and no one is ever going to stop them. muh hall of cost is a golden shield they'll use for the rest of history
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u/wutz_r0ng Oct 10 '24
US is pumping weapons and cash into Israel. There will be no ceasefire with US on the table
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u/Cappmonkey Oct 10 '24
Keep Israel out of the dealmaking and they can't back out at the last minute.
Present them with a deal and a choice to take the deal or get cut off.
Zionist Joe is gone in a hundred days or so.
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24
This all could have been avoided if, back in 2003, the United States had accepted the Iranian offer to negotiate a grand bargain. Because that offer from the Iranians put everything on the table, including their support for Hamas.
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u/PrestigiousGlove585 Oct 09 '24
I translate this as, fall in line or we up oil production. A lower oil price will screw Iran. China still buys a lot from them even under embargo.
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