Why America is looking increasingly powerless as Israel’s war expands - The pattern of American impotency and Israeli defiance has played repeatedly since October 7

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/30/politics/america-israel-lebanon-war-analysis/index.html

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Part 1

And you’re demonstrating that only Palestinian lives matter to you. You could care less if the entire state of Israel was destroyed even if it resulted in the deaths of even more children. You’re advocating for something that can only prolong and worsen the conflict.

All nations have a duty to prevent genocide and apartheid. Right now, Palestinians are enduring genocide. Ending war crimes, massacres, and genocide is crucial and will not lead to increased suffering.

We have provided Egypt over 80 billion dollars worth of aid as part of the same treaties that we supply Israel with aid. A deal we made to keep the peace after all of Israel’s neighbors tried to annihilate them.

Since its peace agreement with Israel in 1979, Egypt has received substantial US aid, totaling around $50 billion to $60 billion. In contrast, Israel has received approximately $250 billion in total aid since 1948. This support includes both military and economic assistance, providing around $146 billion in military aid alone since 1948.

Furthermore I understand the region’s history is complicated but for someone with as much knowledge as you do to simply paint the one side as the bad guys is baffling to me. You are aware the British were key to the collapse of the Ottomans, they governed Palestine in the aftermath to avoid bloodshed and chaos. In 1936 when the Great Palestinian Revolt occurred, more Palestinians killed other Palestinians than British soldiers. Hundreds of Palestinian Jews were also killed in pogroms. Fast forward past the Second World War and the Holocaust which killed millions of Jews, the British went ahead and gave them their own state in Palestine(a questionable if somewhat understandable idea). As the British withdrew the tensions between Zionists and Palestinians increased until 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from the country(not defending it but I will point out the context of that to a people that just had 6 million of their kind taken to gas chambers they probably didn’t see the forcing out of less than a million as nearly as bad, humans can justify crazy things with that mindset).

In response it turned into civil war and the countries surrounding Israel have conspired to wipe them out since then, like 4 times?

The idea of European colonizers establishing a nation-state in Palestine was fundamentally predicated on the expulsion and subjugation of the native Arab population already residing there. The mental gymnastics required to present the Zionist project as anything other than a classic colonial endeavor of foreign settlers displacing the indigenous inhabitants is truly mind-boggling.

The founding figures and influential thinkers of the Zionist movement were remarkably candid about their belief that the realization of a Jewish homeland necessitated the removal of at least some portion of the Palestinian Arab population. Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism, wrote in 1895 of procuring employment for Palestinians in "transit countries" while denying them jobs in the envisioned Jewish state. David Ben-Gurion later advocated for the "compulsory transfer" of Arabs from areas designated for a Jewish state after initially opposing "unilateral transfer." As late as 1941, Yitzhak Greenbaum stated that the establishment of a Jewish state would inevitably require "a transfer of Arabs to one of the neighboring countries."

These were not mere hypothetical musings, but part of the ideological bedrock that guided the Zionist movement's actions on the ground through intimidation, violence and terrorism against the Palestinian population. Groups like the Irgun, Lehi and Haganah perpetrated horrific massacres at sites like Deir Yassin, carried out bombings such as the King David Hotel attack, and systematically depopulated and destroyed entire Arab villages and towns. The expulsion of over 70,000 Palestinians from Haifa alone demonstrated the brutal reality of this ethnic cleansing.

Ultimately, the idea that European colonial settlers could descend on inhabited lands, displace and dispossess the native population through violence, and then cast themselves as the persecuted victims merely defending themselves is utterly abhorrent. The conflict did not result in vacuum, but rather was the inevitable consequence of Zionism's very genesis as a movement to create a Jewish state at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs' existence on their ancestral lands.

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Part 2

While I understand the point you wanna make about justice(imbalance naturally wants to correct itself) if you have studied history I think you know that not everyone gets justice. Also, the Jews have no right to that land? I mean I’m pretty sure they lived there first if we go far back enough. Saying they have no rights to the lands is almost like saying the native Americans have no rights to America. I’m not even a fan of that justification but to completely ignore it is nonsensical, the Hebrews literally built Jerusalem.

If you had read my message carefully, you would have seen that I referred to Zionist colonizers, not Jews. There have always been Palestinian Jews and Jews who oppose Israel. Being a Jew and being a Zionist are not the same. As for ancestry, multiple studies indicate that Palestinians are descendants of various ancient populations, including Jews, in the Levant. There are also many sources that discuss how some Jews converted to Islam and became Palestinians. Furthermore, if we trace history back far enough, Palestinians can be seen as descendants of the Canaanites, who were the original inhabitants of the land long before the emergence of the ancient Israelites.

Sources:

• "Genetic Diversity and Population Structure in Palestinian Arabs":
  • Source: A. M. A. Khatib et al. "Genetic diversity and population structure in Palestinian Arabs: Implications for the history of the region." Human Genetics, 2009.
  • This study analyzes the genetic diversity among Palestinian Arabs and discusses their ancestry, including connections to ancient populations.

• "The Genetic Legacy of the Middle Ages":

  • Source: Elhaik, Eran. "The Genetic Legacy of the Middle Ages: Arab Contributions to Genetic Diversity in the Levant." PLoS ONE, 2012.
  • This paper explores genetic links between modern Palestinians and ancient populations, including Jews, in the Levant.

• "The Jewish Community in the Arab World":

  • Source: Paul A. Ponfick. "The Jewish Community in the Arab World: A Historical Perspective." This text discusses the historical interactions and conversions between Jews and Muslims, particularly during the early Islamic period.

• "The Islamic Conquest of Palestine":

  • Source: Tamer El-Leithy. "The Islamic Conquest of Palestine and the Rise of the Arab Identity." This examines the cultural and religious shifts that occurred during and after the Islamic conquests, including conversion dynamics.

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But either way you cut it Hebrewism and Judaism(Zionism is just an ideology supporting the establishment of a Jewish state) have a longer history in the region than the Islamic groups in the region that are trying to wipe them out.

Both groups have history, it’s a fucked up situation. How about we stop trying to create good guys in a conflict that doesn’t have any?

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But either way you cut it Hebrewism and Judaism(Zionism is just an ideology supporting the establishment of a Jewish state)

Many Jewish religious authorities and groups have historically opposed this perspective based on deeply held theological beliefs. For instance, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum’s influential work "Vayoel Moshe," published in 1961, provides extensive arguments against Zionism rooted in Talmudic sources and traditional Jewish law.

Groups like Neturei Karta continue this opposition, maintaining archives filled with statements that argue against the concept of a Jewish state before the messianic era. Scholars have documented this religious stance extensively; Samuel Heilman and Menachem Friedman's book, "The Rebbe: The Life and Afterlife of Menachem Mendel Schneerson," explores how major Hasidic movements have historically resisted Zionism.

Additionally, Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky's "Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel" analyzes anti-Zionist Orthodox groups, shedding light on their beliefs. Contemporary research, such as Naftali Loewenthal's 2014 paper, further explores this phenomenon.

Organizations like True Torah Jews (Natruna) preserve a wealth of rabbinic statements and historical documents, demonstrating a longstanding tradition of religious opposition to Zionism, grounded in interpretations of Jewish law and prophecy. Thus, for many religious Jews, their stance against Zionism is not merely a political issue but one deeply rooted in their religious convictions.

have a longer history in the region than the Islamic groups in the region that are trying to wipe them out.

In my earlier posts, I've explained how Palestinians, as direct descendants of various groups, predate the Israelites. Additionally, Islamic groups have historically supported and protected Jews. Here are a few examples:

1. Omar's Conquest of Jerusalem (637 CE): When Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantine Empire, he issued a document known as the "Covenant of Omar" or "Omar's Assurance." Key points include:

• Jews were returned by Caliph Omar to Jerusalem, from which they had been banned by the Byzantines
• He guaranteed the safety of the city's inhabitants, including Jews and Christians

1. The Golden Age of Jewish Culture in Spain: During Islamic rule in Spain (711-1492), known as "Al-Andalus," Jewish communities experienced significant cultural and economic growth:

• Prominent Jewish figures like Maimonides flourished
• Jews held high positions in courts and contributed to science, philosophy, and literature
• Hebrew poetry experienced a renaissance influenced by Arabic literary traditions

1. Other significant periods:

• In Baghdad, Jews participated actively in intellectual and economic life under the Abbasid Caliphate
• The Cairo Geniza documents show extensive Jewish commercial activity throughout the Islamic world

Both groups have history, it’s a fucked up situation. How about we stop trying to create good guys in a conflict that doesn’t have any?

There is undoubtedly a "good guy" in this conflict. Zionism originated as a movement aimed at establishing a Jewish state, at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs’ existence on their ancestral lands. The Palestinians are simply defending their territory.

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Well the existence of the state of Israel would sort of indicate that while there are always dissenting opinions at the end of the day the millions of Jewish people want a state to call their own.

I’m sure some have their religious reasons for opposing this but at the end of the day the Holocaust made the formation of a Jewish state apparently necessary(and when you look at the LONG history of massacres against Jews can you blame them?).

You did not explain it clearly then but yea their are groups from the region that predate the Hebrews but the religion of Islam and the Palestinians that live there today have little relation to the peoples who predated the Hebrews. Also furthermore acts of kindness over a thousand years ago does not mean that the Muslims today are welcoming the Jews or protecting them in the Middle East. As a matter of fact part of the Great Palestinian Revolt seems to have been caused by the influx of Jewish refugees from Europe around this time.

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Well the existence of the state of Israel would sort of indicate that while there are always dissenting opinions at the end of the day the millions of Jewish people want a state to call their own.

I’m sure some have their religious reasons for opposing this but at the end of the day the Holocaust made the formation of a Jewish state apparently necessary(and when you look at the LONG history of massacres against Jews can you blame them?).

Just because they experienced oppression doesn’t give them the right to oppress others, steal their land, ethnically cleanse, or commit genocide. This isn’t the defense you believe it to be.

You did not explain it clearly then but yea their are groups from the region that predate the Hebrews but the religion of Islam and the Palestinians that live there today have little relation to the peoples who predated the Hebrews.

I did explain it and provided sources; it's not my fault if you're having trouble reading.

Also furthermore acts of kindness over a thousand years ago does not mean that the Muslims today are welcoming the Jews or protecting them in the Middle East. As a matter of fact part of the Great Palestinian Revolt seems to have been caused by the influx of Jewish refugees from Europe around this time.

You suggested that Islam aimed to wipe out the Jews, and I countered that claim with historical facts.

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It’s not really a defense you’re just trying to say Jewish people don’t support Zionism and I’m stating that the formation of a Jewish state is evidently supported since one exists and has millions of Jews living in it.

I also said that Zionism really caught on because of the Holocaust, after being ethnically cleansed the Jews wanted a place for their people. The land that made the most sense was the chaotic region of Palestine(which as I pointed out was technically owned by the British in the aftermath of the Ottoman’s empire’s collapse). Im not saying it as a defense I’m just saying it might seem more reasonable to a people who just had six million people killed to displace a million and a half so they could create their Jewish state. Again I’m not saying it’s right I’m just pointing out that’s you’re ignoring A LOT of the context behind why them ended up there.

Right but like I said your explanation is confusing and not very clear. The Hebrews(and therefore the Jews of Israel) have greater connections to the Caanaanites than the modern day Muslim Palestinians.

I’m saying that Islam is trying to wipe out a Jewish state from the Middle East. Pulling up examples of the opposite from over a thousand years ago is not very compelling.

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It’s not really a defense you’re just trying to say Jewish people don’t support Zionism and I’m stating that the formation of a Jewish state is evidently supported since one exists and has millions of Jews living in it.

and you seem to be ignoring the Anti-Zionists Jews.

I also said that Zionism really caught on because of the Holocaust, after being ethnically cleansed the Jews wanted a place for their people. The land that made the most sense was the chaotic region of Palestine(which as I pointed out was technically owned by the British in the aftermath of the Ottoman’s empire’s collapse). Im not saying it as a defense I’m just saying it might seem more reasonable to a people who just had six million people killed to displace a million and a half so they could create their Jewish state. Again I’m not saying it’s right I’m just pointing out that’s you’re ignoring A LOT of the context behind why them ended up there.

There is no context that can justify genocide or ethnic cleansing, period.

Right but like I said your explanation is confusing and not very clear. The Hebrews(and therefore the Jews of Israel) have greater connections to the Caanaanites than the modern day Muslim Palestinians.

The sources I've provided contradict your claims. Modern Palestinians, whether Muslim, Christian, or Jewish, have a stronger connection to the land than Zionists, who often have minimal ties. Some Zionists even took ancestry tests and discovered they have no connection to the Levant. If you can’t understand this, that's your issue.

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Yeah because you’re trying to use the existence of a couple thousand people’s opinion on religion(or a couple hundred thousand doesn’t make much difference) to justify why a country of millions shouldn’t exist.

It’s not justification but you can’t close your eyes to what happened. After losing 6 million people the Jews wanted a homeland. They came back to Jerusalem, first the British and then later the UN tried to divide the land up. While the Zionists weren’t exactly nice neighbors, the Arabs refused to negotiate and split the land and invaded in 1948 to drive the Jews out… which would have been a form of genocide. Turns out the Zionists were tougher than that and now they’re the ones trying to do what was almost done to them countless times in history.

It’s not justification but you need to know why people are doing things to stop them, bud.

Share that article that states what you’re saying about genealogy. I read through your previous links and you have shared nothing concrete that indicates this claim. Because over half the country of Israel descends from middle eastern Jews who were driven out of their own home countries following the 1948 war( the next percentage is like 30% from central and Eastern Europe who fled the Nazis and Soviet Union).

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Yeah because you’re trying to use the existence of a couple thousand people’s opinion on religion(or a couple hundred thousand doesn’t make much difference) to justify why a country of millions shouldn’t exist.

It shouldn't exist because it was built on the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the natives.

It’s not justification but you can’t close your eyes to what happened. After losing 6 million people the Jews wanted a homeland. They came back to Jerusalem, first the British and then later

As I said, being oppressed doesn’t give anyone the right to oppress others, ethnically cleanse, commit genocide, or steal their land.

the UN tried to divide the land up. While the Zionists weren’t exactly nice neighbors, the Arabs refused to negotiate and split the land

Why should they accept their land being taken and given to others who have been terrorizing them and attempting to ethnically cleanse them? Moreover, the plan was unjust; it allocated more than 50% of the land to the Zionists, who made up less than 10% of the population. It's also important to note that many Zionists were open about their intentions to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, regardless of the outcome.

and invaded in 1948 to drive the Jews out… which would have been a form of genocide. Turns out the Zionists were tougher than that and now they’re the ones trying to do what was almost done to them countless times in history.

The Arabs attacked because the Zionists had been committing genocide and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. Before their attack, the Zionists executed Plan Dalet and destroyed over 531 Palestinian villages, which constitutes ethnic cleansing not the Arab response to it. Furthermore, it was Israel that initiated the war, labeling it a "preemptive strike."

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Yet you ignore the Palestinian attacks that started this latest round of war. Only condemning the Israelis and showing your agenda.

Your numbers are close but somewhat inaccurate. The point is your statement that we don’t supply other countries besides Israel billions in aid is a lie. We provide them a percentage based directly on what we provide to Israel, this is because they were one of the aggressors in the war that we made that particular treaty after.

You’re also painting this purely as a European colonization thing while ignoring that a majority of the Israelis are descended from Middle Eastern Jews. You’re also ignoring the fact that more Palestinians killed other Palestinians than their European overlords did during their uprising. The region was a vacuum of power after the Ottomans left. I can tell you’re a smart guy but you’re oversimplifying things in a way that I can tell you think there is a justified party in this war… even if that party is also killing kids.

Yet you dare to accuse me of being okay with genocide lmao

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Yet you ignore the Palestinian attacks that started this latest round of war. Only condemning the Israelis and showing your agenda.

Israel has been occupying Gaza, maintaining full control over its land, air, and sea space. No one can move in or out without Israel's approval and the experience of humiliating checkpoints. Israel periodically bombs Gaza every few years, a practice they refer to as "mowing the lawn." I could go on, but I think you understand the situation. Even the International Court of Justice has ruled that Gaza and the West Bank are occupied territories, stating that Israel should withdraw and dismantle the wall and settlements. You're also conflating Hamas and the Palestinians as one entity, which is a common point of Israeli propaganda. However, the UN recognizes that those who are occupied have the right to resist their occupier, even through violent means.

Your numbers are close but somewhat inaccurate. The point is your statement that we don’t supply other countries besides Israel billions in aid is a lie. We provide them a percentage based directly on what we provide to Israel, this is because they were one of the aggressors in the war that we made that particular treaty after.

My statement was very clear: no other nation receives or has received as much aid as Israel. Your attempt to twist what I said suggests either a lack of comprehension or reading skills, or that you're deliberately misrepresenting my words to support your own narrative.

You’re also painting this purely as a European colonization thing while ignoring that a majority of the Israelis are descended from Middle Eastern Jews. You’re also ignoring the fact that more Palestinians killed other Palestinians than their European overlords did during their uprising. The region was a vacuum of power after the Ottomans left. I can tell you’re a smart guy but you’re oversimplifying things in a way that I can tell you think there is a justified party in this war… even if that party is also killing kids.

Yet you dare to accuse me of being okay with genocide lmao

Certainly, there is a justified party in this situation. The Zionists have been determined to eliminate the Palestinians and seize their land. Let’s take a look at some key historical events and statements:

1. Theodor Herzl's "Altneuland" (1902): In his book, Herzl clearly outlined plans for expropriating Palestinian land to establish a Jewish state. He wrote, "When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country."
2. David Ben-Gurion's Diary Entry (1937): In this entry, Ben-Gurion explicitly stated his intentions to expel Arabs and take their places. He wrote, "We must expel Arabs and take their places." This statement aligns with the later actions taken during Plan Dalet.
3. Plan Dalet: This plan was a key component of Israel's military strategy. It involved systematically destroying Palestinian villages, forcibly displacing their inhabitants, and annexing land for Israel. Benny Morris, in his book "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited" (2004), provides detailed evidence of the plan's execution and its impact on Palestinian communities.
4. Irgun, Hagana, and the Stern Gang: These Zionist paramilitary organizations engaged in acts of violence and land grabs against Palestinians and British authorities throughout the 1930s and 1940s. For example, the King David Hotel bombing carried out by the Irgun in 1946 killed 91 people, including many civilians.

As you can see, the evidence clearly shows a consistent pattern of Zionist leaders and organizations engaging in actions that directly follows Herzl's vision. From forced displacement to violent land grabs, history is littered with examples of how Israel has been built upon the suffering of Palestinian's.

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Hamas is the entity that currently leads the Palestinians in Gaza yeah.

Your statement is painting a false picture of the region. Yes israel receives the most foreign aid from us, but you’re totally ignoring that we also supply several of their enemies with foreign aid as well: Egypt and Jordan being some of the largest examples and the amount is not insignificant.

You’re totally ignoring my larger point of most Zionists being from the Middle East. You’re also ignoring the Great Palestinian Revolt which I keep bringing up. The various Palestinian militia groups killed each other by the thousands, far more than the British killed in putting down the revolt. That’s not to mention the hundreds of Jews they killed as well. This showed the world that the Palestinian people are too fragmented to rule themselves which is why the British turned to the Zionists. And yes their methods were extreme but I also wanna point out that they had JUST gotten through an extremely harsh genocide against them in Europe so comparatively speaking they were pretty tame in just trying to drive them out. In their heads they needed a country and what made the most sense to them at the time was their ancestral homeland.

But no go ahead and keep cherry picking history so you can make your “good side” to stand behind.

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but you’re totally ignoring that we also supply several of their enemies with foreign aid as well: Egypt and Jordan being some of the largest examples and the amount is not insignificant.

Jordan and Egypt are not enemies of Israel,

Peace Treaties:

• Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty (1979): Signed by Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, this treaty marked the first peace agreement between Israel and an Arab state. It led to the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Sinai Peninsula and established diplomatic relations.
• Armistice Agreement (1949):
• After the 1948 war, Jordan and Israel signed an armistice agreement that established the borders between the two entities. This agreement recognized the ceasefire lines and set the groundwork for future interactions.
• Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty (1994): This treaty was signed by King Abdullah II of Jordan and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. It normalized relations between the two countries and included provisions for cooperation in various fields.

2. Diplomatic Relations:

• Both countries maintain embassies in Israel and engage in regular diplomatic dialogue. This includes collaboration on security, trade, and other regional issues.

You’re totally ignoring my larger point of most Zionists being from the Middle East. You’re also ignoring the Great Palestinian Revolt which I keep bringing up. The various Palestinian militia groups killed each other by the thousands, far more than the British killed in putting down the revolt. That’s not to mention the hundreds of Jews they killed as well. This showed the world that the Palestinian people are too fragmented to rule themselves which is why the British turned to the Zionists. And yes their methods were extreme but I also wanna point out that they had JUST gotten through an extremely harsh genocide against them in Europe so comparatively speaking they were pretty tame in just trying to drive them out. In their heads they needed a country and what made the most sense to them at the time was their ancestral homeland.

You’re not providing any sources to back up your claims. So your argument is that because European Zionists were oppressed, they have the right to oppress others, take their land, ethnically cleanse, and commit genocide? That doesn't sound like a valid defense to me.

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Wow they’re not enemies? Then why did they sign peace treaties? Is it because maybe they were enemies? Do you really think countries like Egypt or Jordan have warned up at all to Israel in intervening years?… is that Jordan signing two peace treaties because? Lmao like you have all the facts you just love to twist them.

If you think Jordan or Egypt have Israelis beat interests in mind then your are either being obtuse on purpose or you have wildly varying knowledge of the region’s politics.

I’m not really providing sources because nothing I’m saying is controversial, you can look up the same information I am. It’s not contentious to point out that many Jews lived in the middle east(particularly around Jerusalem) and many made their way to Israel when it was established.

I’m saying that is a lot more complex than “Israel is foreign European invader oppressing the Muslims in the Middle East”

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If you have any evidence to support your claims, please share it. Otherwise, your emotionally charged statements hold no weight.

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So you think Israel, Egypt, and Jordan are friends? I thought you knew what you were talking about but now you’re showing the limits of your knowledge lmao

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So far, only one of us has provided historical facts, reliable sources, and studies, while the other has relied on emotional statements aimed at pushing their own agenda.

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You share historical facts but you’re distorting them. You’ve also presented outright lies such as “Israel killed hundreds of their own people on October 7th” without a good source and when I replied to point that out you ignored it.

At the end of the day, the Palestinians initially rose up against refugees fleeing prosecution. These refugees had international sympathy at the time and the Arabs lost their attempt to drive out the Jews. That’s why the Nakba occurred.

You’re sharing propaganda. I’m not supporting Israel but I’m not gonna lie to turn their enemies into the good guys.

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https://youtu.be/7Jyc-LzXqk0?si=juWzzeM8K8ysJ5eO

Here is someone to lay it out for you since you desire evidence but don’t wanna research further than the links I’ve provided

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It seems you don’t fully grasp what constitutes evidence. A biased narrative without historical sources isn’t evidence. However, even within your own video, it states that Egypt and Jordan recognized Israel.

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It’s all verified facts with sources in the description, nice try tho

Jordan and Egypt recognize Israel as a state in return for US funding as I told you before ya dummy