r/InternationalNews • u/lewkiamurfarther • Aug 28 '24
Europe Emmanuel Macron Is Refusing to Allow the Left to Govern
https://jacobin.com/2024/08/france-macron-nfp-left-govern201
u/Napoleons_Peen Aug 28 '24
Here’s hoping the French people do what they do best.
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u/JesC Aug 28 '24
Guillotine?
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u/m0ngoos3 Aug 28 '24
Mostly it's protest and riot.
The Guillotine almost never comes out anymore.
Still, protests and riots over in France can get wild. They've got a lot of practice.
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u/Loud-Item-1243 Aug 28 '24
This man has dodged the French rioters for far too long and has been the direct cause at least twice in my recollection, and I also remember a 17 year old kid dying at the hands of his cops when he turned them on peaceful protests against his pension reforms, had a feeling he was a fascist at heart now it’s there for all to see.
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u/Mouth0fTheSouth Aug 28 '24
Protest for days and then not achieve their goals?
EDIT: :(
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u/Napoleons_Peen Aug 28 '24
A left wing coalition was elected and the fascist Macron would rather deal with the other Fascist Le Pan, than build a left wing coalition.
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u/lewkiamurfarther Aug 28 '24
Macron has met with far-right leader Marine Le Pen while seeking a means to overrule the results of the French election. I.e., this is yet another example of how centrists—not the left—reinforce far right-wing ideologies and even give them power in government. It's all to preserve power in the hands of those with a personal position in the US-led international oligarchy. Nevermind what it does to the rest of the world.
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u/LeucotomyPlease Aug 28 '24
liberalism paves the way for fascism every time.
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u/theTeam_Hero Aug 29 '24
I’m confused at your comment. It seems to contradict the comment above yet both are people upvoted. Can you explain?
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u/Ruttingraff Aug 29 '24
Liberal like Australian kind of liberal
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u/theTeam_Hero Aug 29 '24
Interest. Can you tell I’m American? lol
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u/Ruttingraff Aug 29 '24
In short, it's Economic Liberalism instead of Social or Cultural Liberalism
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u/LeucotomyPlease Aug 29 '24
centrists = liberals (at least as framed here)
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u/theTeam_Hero Aug 29 '24
I see. Gotcha liberal means left for me lol. Thanks for the clarification
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u/b3141592 Aug 29 '24
Liberals are left of centrists or basically centrists. On a global scale they'd be anywhere between center-left and center-right.
The US is skewed as it's a very right wing place, there is in effect no true left.
Obama for example would fit in with the Greek conservative party, Macron's centrist party etc
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u/Suspicious_Loads Aug 28 '24
Does French parlament have first past the post for prime minister? Otherwise it's seems perfectly normal that the biggest party looses to a bigger coalition.
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u/KingShaka23 Aug 28 '24
this is yet another example of how centrists
OP, you're falling for the trap of thinking sides actually matter. Politicians across the political spectrum will say what will get them nominated, then it's status quo as per those in power.
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u/SpinningHead Aug 28 '24
Yeah, no, giving more power to the actual inheritor of the fascist party would be bad.
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u/KingShaka23 Aug 28 '24
Sure, I'm not saying it wouldn't. I just don't have hope in any politicians, regardless of lip service or claimed affiliation. Left, Center, Right, will take stances that they know divide us, and then they leave the heavy conversations to us as they all go to dinner with the well to do on their private yachts. I'm very disillusioned with politics atm.
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u/SpinningHead Aug 28 '24
Russia is quite invested in the West thinking elections dont matter.
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u/Alexanderspants Aug 28 '24
Yes yes, it's all Putins fault that European politicians are corrupt. People are disillusioned with their governments because of the actions of the government, not because of " Russian disinformation " Is the above article accurate or not? How is Russia to blame for Macron ignoring the electorate of his country?
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u/SpinningHead Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24
No, its Putins fault that his bot farms are pushing lots of xenophobic nonsense across the West to get fascists like Trump and Le Pen elected.
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u/KingShaka23 Aug 28 '24
Russia is gonna Russia, and the West has done a fantastic job of giving them plenty to work with. Only one of those two, does the West have control over. I'm not going to sit here and point the finger at anyone else but at ourselves. That's how we get better. If I'm disillusioned, it's because it feels like, in the West, critical thinking has fallen to the wayside of "choosing a side." People seemingly will vote for a label or an affiliation and look to make enemies in their fellow countrymen.
My original point was to just be wary of labels. I'm sure we can agree that Russia is enabled by the division.
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u/SpinningHead Aug 28 '24
Anyone who leads an actual fascist party is an enemy.
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u/KingShaka23 Aug 28 '24
Sure, and when you hyper-focus on one enemy, you're also creating a blind spot for yourself. Do you think "the enemy" is too dumb to realize that? (Reminds me of the Jedi from Star Wars and how they were nearly wiped out by the Sith.)
Honestly, at this rate, I'm feeling like you're just ignoring my point, which, in turn, makes me feel more and more inclined to ignore yours. Russia knows it is not beating a unified West. I think it's fair to say that Russia would love to further sow division across the West. A conversation like ours, where the energy was focused on entrenching our differences as opposed to what our ideas had in common, would be prime pickings. I have actively been trying not to contradict you, but it's time for me to move on with my life now. Good luck.
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u/liQuid_bot8 Aug 28 '24
Partially agree on this but most of the french left/far left are staunch pro Palestine for instance, a thing you can rarely find in the US.
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u/Goldleader-23 Aug 28 '24
Shocking. Neo liberals would rather have Nazis than let progressives win
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u/Chuhaimaster Aug 28 '24
Centrists choosing to ally with fascists rather than socialists. I think I’ve seen this movie before.
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u/Mountain_Security_97 Aug 28 '24
Centrists bolster the right. The people are moving left and leaders aren’t taking it well. I hope France doesn’t stand for this.
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u/djokov Aug 28 '24
I wouldn't say that the people are moving to the left. It is more that the centrists are trying to move to the right, and are throwing a hissy fit when they become unpopular because the people aren't following along with them.
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u/AmusingMusing7 Aug 28 '24
The Right is always afraid to let the Left govern, because they know that given even half a decent shot, the Left will prove itself and people will finally recognize how much better the Left is in power.
The Left is never this afraid of letting the Right or the Center govern when we’ve lost, because we know they’ll only make fools of themselves or make things worse to the point that people will want to vote them out. The only reason we ever end up going back to the Right is because some Centrist was sold as a Leftist, so everybody blamed the Left for the problems that the Centrist creates by being too right-wing… so they default back to the actual right-wing, everything gets worse, and then we go back to the centrists, and everything just gets worse a little slower. Round and round we go. People develop the idea that THIS is what the dynamic of “left vs right” amounts to, and check out of the whole thing.
When people manage to somehow get actual genuine Leftist governments… they always love them. They’re always super popular, and actual problems get fixed. Until some outside capitalist influence sabotages the whole thing and destabilizes the country or region just to make it look like Leftism failed. Then people buy into it and default back to the Right.
Wash, rinse, repeat for all of history.
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u/Snoo82105 Aug 28 '24
But the left do fail. All the time.
They jack up the cost of living, wage wars/genocides, hide behind religion (Christianity/Judaism in the west,) crime increases, science gets put on the back burner when it comes to policies (not as hard as the right does but it’s religion > science for the left,) their racist as well, take away guns, incarcerate individuals disproportionately based on skin color/religion, jack up taxes, kill jobs, spread hate to those who go against them, restrict freedoms of speech that go against them, segregate their cities/churches, lift up the older religious generations and leave the youth to struggle so hard we’re not having kids, buying homes, saving for retirement, the left is killing pensions and raising retirement ages, they take lobbyists money and line their pockets with fat cash and write laws based on that instead of being based on science/morals, use insider knowledge to make business/investment decisions, heavy corruption, constantly let sexual offenders free (especially the Christian’s/jews and especially the white Christian/jews who helped them get into power,) and trick people (especially young) that they are morally the greatest thing the world has ever seen, and opposing them is facist…
I could go on and on, I’m sure liberal Reddit can go on and on about the rights negatives. I can say great things about both sides, and cons about both sides.
Good luck being one sided. Can’t believe how well the left has been doing…
For anyone else thinking of voting right, you’re not alone, and you’re not a bad person.
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u/AmusingMusing7 Aug 28 '24
The back-ass-wards-ness of this post is a gish gallop of bullshit that I’m far too irritated to deal with right now. This topsy-turvy bullshit about the Left being responsible for all the right-wing or neoliberal bullshit you just listed… needs to fucking end.
Can people PLEASE learn what Leftism really is? Pretty please God?!?! Can that be a thing that becomes possible in this world? For people to actually understand, for once in our fucking lives, what Leftism actually fucking is?!?!
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u/Raidenka Aug 28 '24
This is gonna bite the centrists in the ass...
Another snap election will be called next Summer and whatever government is formed sure as shit won't be a centrist one.
There was a path where he could have peeled some of the NFP parties away from Melenchon's party but his arrogance and stubbornness has closed that path and only bolstered left unity 🤣
Macron has ironically created anarchy (not the good kind) in the name of stability and I guess we'll see how far that takes him with an electorate which is sick of his "tous les meme" governance
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u/banquozone Aug 28 '24
“Centrists”/liberals will always side with fascism instead of leftists because right wingers don’t threaten the ruling class.
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u/Unfair-Review8 Aug 28 '24
Macron thinks he is the king of France. And we all know what happened to the king of France lol
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Aug 29 '24
I’m assuming that we will see a condemnation any minute just like we did with Venezuela right?
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u/self-assembled Aug 28 '24
The left appointed PM should just walk into the office and start work. It shouldn't be his right anyway.
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u/voxpopper Aug 29 '24
Politicians across Western Democracies care little for progressives and the left other than to get their votes. People want peace and freedom, but the leading govt parties are lead by Neocons.
(Little difference between France, US, UK, Germany)
It is an interesting phenomenon which I presume might be due to preparing for upcoming conflict.
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u/OldBabyl Aug 28 '24
Liberals doing exactly what liberals do. They will side with fascism every single time.
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u/Ok_One4026 Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Complain and do nothing about it 😡 Trudeau did the same thing with NDP ! I have the right to vote and they take that away from the voters.
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