r/InternationalNews • u/fIowertopia • Aug 07 '24
Europe In the UK, rioters have targeted hotels housing asylum seekers, mosques and Muslim communities, with plans unveiled to target immigration lawyers and charities.
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Aug 07 '24
Anarchy symbols on an English flag… hmmmmm something doesn’t make sense there
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u/ripmichealjackson Aug 07 '24
I wonder if John Lydon has weighed in
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Aug 07 '24
I’m very out of date and not British but my vague understanding is he may have been on the side of the protestors in his later years (apologies if I have besmirched your name Mr Rotten)
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u/ColourfulCabbages Aug 07 '24
They've also burned down a library and police station, destroyed and looted shops, and attacked "foreign" looking people in cars. All of this being filmed and posted online. They are thugs.
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u/SpinningHead Aug 07 '24
I noticed a lot of accounts right now trying to turn the Islamophobia up to 11 and spread these riots.
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u/ColourfulCabbages Aug 07 '24
I've had a ton of videos pop up in the algorithm, but no call to arms. I don't doubt they're about. The stuff I've seen has been a lot of footage of riots, some comedy skits making fun of rioters, and that guy getting doinked in the groin.
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u/50YOYO Aug 07 '24
Absolutely spot on, it's just a poor excuse for mindless racist yobs to riot. What a complete stain on our society.
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u/blueteamk087 Aug 07 '24
They are not thugs. They are doing this with a political goal in mind… they are the literal definition of terrorists.
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u/ColourfulCabbages Aug 07 '24
The organisers are for sure, but do you really reckon those looting Greggs and Shoe Locker have anything close to a political goal? I refuse to give them the credit.
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u/billy_twice Aug 08 '24
The german brownshirts in the 1930s also had a political goal, but that doesn't mean they aren't thugs.
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u/GetOutOfTheWhey Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24
Modern day Kristallnacht.
It's targeted at a specific religious (Islamic) and racial (Middle Eastern) minority but "riots" is the best description that the media can muster up.
These violent people destroying people's homes and communities are terrorists. It's time to call them that.
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u/ColourfulCabbages Aug 08 '24
I've heard this comparison to Kristallnacht, and I can't agree. I love hyperbole, but not on something this serious. Kristallnacht was organised and perpetrated by literal agents of the state. That's an almighty difference.
In the last few nights we have seen communities of all religious and racial backgrounds come together in places like Bristol and Walthamstow to stand up against racist hate and thuggery. You didn't have that during Kristallnacht.
We've had police in riot gear alongside dog handlers, clashing with racists. They turned a blind eye during Kristallnacht.
Almost 100 people died during Kristallnacht.
These are both targeted attacks organised by terrorists, and indiscriminate attacks carried out by thugs. These are sickening, but this is not Kristallnacht.
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u/Kilanove Aug 07 '24
Any dark skin people, and Sikhs too
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u/fIowertopia Aug 07 '24
oh definitely, that's the sad thing. these far-right protesters will always believe they have superiority over any poc, simply due to race or religion. this civil unrest behaviour is simply an excuse for the existing racists to publicise their hate, and perfectly, the stabbing deems a perfect 'excuse' for their behaviour, despite it not being linked at all.
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u/fIowertopia Aug 07 '24
After the stabbing in Southport, 'far-right extremists' have begun devastatingly targeting Muslims across England.
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u/Averla93 Aug 07 '24
Organize and arm yourselves people, not saying be violent but at least be prepared to defend yourselves.
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Aug 08 '24
And what? To what end? The police protect these people. They talk about them sympathetically and say it’s just a few bad actors ruining legitimate protest. When they murdered someone yesterday the press reports included a statement about the sentencing of a Muslim teenager who did a murder a year ago that was completely unrelated. They do this because they know the state and the police are on their side.
If a single Muslim, or probably anyone else, tries to defend themself then the entire state will join in on the pogroms faster than you can blink. It will turn into full kristallnacht. The UK doesn’t have the same stand your ground and self defense laws anyway as if that matters
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u/Disgraced002381 Aug 07 '24
Such a shameful act. Also, isn't the word riot considered as inappropriate? I think we are now supposed to say civil unrest or uprising.
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Aug 07 '24
Kristallnacht
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u/Disgraced002381 Aug 07 '24
Are they targeting Jews? The article is talking about Muslim and asylum seekers.
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Aug 07 '24
Does is matter if they go after the jews? Isn't bad enough that a minority is blamed for a lot of the economic problems in society, which is mainly controlled by a few billionaires.
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u/Icy-Lab-2016 Aug 07 '24
Apparently they are going to go after Jewish people next, but I haven't seen anything so far.
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u/fIowertopia Aug 07 '24
it's sad, especially because i thought the uk was getting more accepting as a country, i guess there's more hate than i thought there was. thank you for letting me know, i can't edit the post but i won't use riot next time.
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u/theDrummer Aug 07 '24
The UK as a whole probably is more accepting, it's just easy for bots to stoke hate online leading to this
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u/Escaped_Mod_In_Need Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24
Oh look, colonizers shitting the bed they made for themselves.
( For context, the Balfour Declaration and now you can see the ramifications of colonialism and racism. )
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u/godsgunsandgoats Aug 08 '24
The complete lack of awareness to have anarchist symbols on the flag whilst wearing a mask from a dystopian story of a fascist takeover of the uk is absolutely fucking insane. The lack of self awareness and cognitive dissonance is mind blowing and says a lot of about the state of our education system.
Fucking depressing.
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u/Michael_Gibb Aug 08 '24
Arrest the whole goddamn lot of them. Every single one. Then charge them with terrorism.
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u/Capital-Blackberry-2 Aug 08 '24
Look at that a country who pillaged, killed and raped their way around the world butthurt other ppl trying to make life in thier country.
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u/Educational_Bunch872 Aug 07 '24
yet on gmb zara sultana was being asked why it's important to call them islamophobic riots, fucking pisstake
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u/Ri3Laa Aug 08 '24
Yaxley Lennon the bellend they all listen to is a zionist puppet. Erectile dysfunction league
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u/The_Un_1 Aug 07 '24
So why are they so against the Muslim community in particular at this particular moment in time? Has something happened / or is happening?
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u/fIowertopia Aug 07 '24
On July 29, three girls aged between six and nine were killed during an attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance event for children in the seaside town of Southport, in northern England.
Eight other children and two adults were hurt. Police arrested a 17-year-old male and false information circulated on social media that the suspect was an Islamist migrant, which led to violent anti-Muslim protests in Southport the following day and an attempt to attack the town's mosque.The teenager has since been charged with murder and attempted murder. Police said he was born in Britain and have not treated the attack as terrorism.
Most of the protests have involved a few hundred people targeting migrants or Muslims, with police vehicles set alight and bricks, bottles and other missiles thrown at mosques and police officers. Shops, including Asian-owned businesses, have been vandalised or looted.
source: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/why-are-there-riots-uk-who-is-behind-them-2024-08-07/
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u/Xx_vineet_nayal_xX Aug 07 '24
I am ignorant on this topic can someone explain?
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u/openstandards Aug 08 '24
The UK under tory rule and seen austerity for 14 years, in that time we have seen asylum seekers cross the channel from France because we have no processing centres outside of the UK.
So an asylum seeker needs to be in the UK first before seeking help, so these people often pay gangs in order to make a dangerous journey here.
Once here they make the claim but until the claim is processed they are housed in hotels usually in poorer areas which then drives a further wedge between those struggling because of the cost of living.
Certain news papers have been using migrates as scape goats for the government however this has blown up since the stabbing in Stockport in which 3 children died and another 7 injured.
The first initial reports were it was a Muslim migrate who was on a watch list, however the truth was the person was a 17 year old boy whose parents were church going Christians.
This gained traction from the far-right thanks to misinformation through X thanks to the likes of Tommy "Zionist" Robinson, Andrew Tate and Nigel "I only implied it" Farage.
This has lead to an increase in far-right movements up and down the country, hopefully this helps you understand what's going on.
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Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 09 '24
It reveals something about a rotten element in British culture that needs to be overcome. It's not enough that the British government engages in illegal acts of aggression against their countries of origin, but when a tiny sliver of desperate migrants make it to Britain, they're subjected to violence and abuse. Imperial powers seldom pay attention to their victims.
Radical Islam is an issue, so what are some ways to deal with it? One elementary proposal is to not fund the main proponents of it. Well, Britain has been a consistent ally of Saudi Arabia, the ideological centre of Wahhabi extremism. If you take a look at the historical record, Britain has long considered radical Islam a preferable option to the rise of secular Arab nationalism. Saudi Arabia, along with the UAE and Qatar, fund radical mosques, clerics, and so on. No reason why that should be tolerated. In the Middle East, the same actors finance jihadi groups, some of whom were involved in attempts to topple the Syrian government. Surely, that's one factor driving people to extremism. And let's not forget the great lengths that the US-UK went to in order to foment a global jihad in the AfPak region after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Serious research has been to done to figure out why certain young men become radicalized. One factor is the despair that's arisen in largely segregated immigrant communities where these disillusioned individuals live their lives. They've got nothing going for them, and religion offers a way out. Often times, we're talking about new converts, so they're religiously illiterate. It seems to me that efforts should be made to break the isolation and further integrate them into the wider society. Public investment, decent job opportunities, improved schooling, mental health counseling, recreational centers, etc. As far as active terrorist cells who pose an imminent threat, it's what you have an intelligence agency for.
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u/Jamsquad77 Aug 09 '24
I read that powers behind these riots are targeting minority communities for the riots in purpose to invite a response and push for fights. Savages.
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u/TokioHot Aug 07 '24
So, still think total freedom of speech is a good thing?
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u/TokioHot Aug 07 '24
Okay, I ma need to clarify something.
The problem with total freedom of speech is that, on one side, you can say anything; on the other side, you can SAY ANYTHING.
The protests that are happening right now are caused by disinformation, fake news. Even though it is a negative use of speech expression, it is, by technicality, a freedom of speech.
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u/Mission_Reply_2326 Aug 07 '24
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom to beat people up and set fire to buildings. Generally speaking, even with freedom of speech, some speech is still limited. Felony threats. Inciting riots. Child pornography. These are all not protected speech. And there are civil ramifications for libel and slander.
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u/top_steppa Aug 07 '24
So your answer is for Brits to attack them? Foh. Maybe England shouldn't have colonized all these countries and extracted their wealth.
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u/fIowertopia Aug 07 '24
my apologies, you're right too, the riots here are probably due to a lack of education, and an inability to adapt and accept different races, and religions. switching from a years-longstanding of conservatives to labour, these groups of people conducting the riots are possibly rioting through insecurity and pure hate which is a result of them only seeing the negative side.
it's a shame these individuals get to cause several pounds worth of damage as they fail to accept individuals of different races and faiths, courtesy of the great racist political leaders, feeding them with their far-right way of thought. it's also a shame they don't go out of their way to research the cause, before fighting for it, because right now they aren't fighting against the negatives, but they're fighting against whole communities due to one unrelated instance.
hopefully this stops soon, this is a terrible problem, and it's not acceptable whatsoever
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u/top_steppa Aug 07 '24
Well the Nazis are who you're defending. We've all seen the videos. I don't give a flying fuck what caused the riots. They're not going after those responsible for the kids being murdered. They're assaulting and intimidating innocents because of their faith and skin colour. That is unacceptable. They just wanted an excuse.
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u/Danavixen Aug 07 '24
By not condemning it, but rather finding away to explain and excuse it
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u/Findadmagus Aug 08 '24
“But do you condemn Hamas?!?!?”
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u/Danavixen Aug 08 '24
I do condemn hamas and the IDF, but last I checked, they aren't in the UK
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Aug 08 '24
Lmao except these guys are Zionists and they also are doing Islamophobic hate crimes and pogroms like the ones that are justified with “but do you condemn Hamas?”. You are completely incapable of self reflection
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u/Findadmagus Aug 08 '24
You’re missing the point. Danavixen is making out that every comment in here should first and foremost be condemning by the rioters before saying anything else, and I’m pointing out how that’s exactly like the Israeli’s saying “but do you condemn Hamas”. It’s ironic because we are in a subreddit that often uses that phrase, but danavixen is using a similar phrase unironically.
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Aug 08 '24
I know exactly what you were saying and it’s bullshit. “Do you condemn Hamas” is a dark meme because it’s absurd in a genocide to keep recentering the conversation on the victimhood of the genocider. You deploying it for fascist pogroms is exactly as absurd for the same reasons and you literally don’t even get it
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u/Findadmagus Aug 07 '24
What? How is that relevant to what he said? Why are you making out he is defending these morons actions when he is just calling for better education? 🤦♂️
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Aug 08 '24
No, it isn’t. It’s the result of the press and politicians embracing and capitulating to actual outright lies and misinformation - just like what you have said - to redirect anger from landlords and the people in power who make their lives worse but who the government and media work for to the most marginalised group in society. The lies these fascists spread have been validated so of course now people listen to them
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