r/InternationalNews • u/Horus_walking • Jun 16 '24
International US Navy faces its most intense combat since World War II against Houthi rebels
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-navy-faces-intense-combat-world-war-ii-111118378295
u/Naelok Jun 16 '24
All to support and enable a genocide.
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u/Top_Effort_2739 Jun 16 '24
The cost of blind support for a hardline Israeli agenda seems incalculable. For the US and for Israel.
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u/Simple-Ad-239 Jun 16 '24
Its coldly and meticulously calculated to place revenue and land space above human lives. Right on par for the US.
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u/stupid-adcarry Jun 16 '24
And the military industrial complex
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u/Whiskeypants17 Jun 16 '24
2 oil producer is Russia, #3 is Saudis. How curious there just happens to be military conflicts right in their back yards. How convinient indeed.
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u/psychrolut Jun 16 '24
Let’s not forget about the 1.7billion barrels ($500billion) under the West Bank and off the Gaza coast.
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u/Navynuke00 Jun 16 '24
So fun fact, Israel has been working very, very hard to ramp up natural gas production, because they're selling it to Egypt, Jordan, and potentially Greece and the rest of Europe.
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u/stupid-adcarry Jun 16 '24
Trump is worse for entire world bro, trust me, as If that entire wretched nation itself isn't the problem in the first place.
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Jun 17 '24
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Jun 17 '24
If all those middle eastern countries cared about palenstine 1% of what people on reddit do, the war would be over. Too bad the majority of support palenstine is getting now is just up or down votes on reddit or kids yelling at universities in their respective countries
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u/Independentizo Jun 17 '24
Exactly. This ends the minute Israel is brought into line. Period.
The issue is that US arrogance and bullish mindset means they cannot and will not allow a defeat, because it weakens the perception of their all conquering Empire being untouchable.
Seriously, if the US changed their approach to Israel it would make the world and the region MUCH more stable.
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Jun 17 '24
Thank you usa democrats for all the war this term, seems things are back to normal for the usa now
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
How exactly are the Houthis actions in anyway help Gaza?
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u/oak_and_clover Jun 17 '24
They are not targeting every ship in the Red Sea. They are explicitly only going after ships going to/from Israel (and I believe ships owned by Israel, not 100% sure). This exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on Israel - or at least, makes the genocide more costly. They have said when the genocide stops, they will also stop targeting ships.
Also, since shipping and insurance companies are risk-averse, a lot of ships that have nothing to do with Israel are still avoiding the Red Sea and going around Africa. This places additional costs on shipped goods. That applies pressure to Israel’s enablers (i.e. the US and EU). Note that price inflation is among the biggest issues if not the biggest issue in the US and Europe, and both have lots of elections coming up.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
They are explicitly only going after ships going to/from Israel
Many ships have been damaged or sunked that never docked or traded with Israel, such as Rubymar, Sophie 2, Number 9 and Huang Pu
This exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on Israel
It doesn't really because as above, many ships being targeted are enitrely uninvolved with Israel.
They have said when the genocide stops, they will also stop targeting ships.
They also stated they wouldn't target Chinese ships, and a week later they struck one.
That applies pressure to Israel’s enablers
And it's applied pressure on proponents of Palestine such as Greece, or at least neutral states like China. The result being China abstaining on the UNSC resolution against the Houthis. Considering the Houthis have continually lied about who they targeting, why do you trust them to act in good faith?
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u/FutureTime6154 Jun 17 '24
Many ships have been damaged or sunked that never docked or traded with Israel, such as Rubymar, Sophie 2, Number 9 and Huang Pu
That doesn't really matter though, they still managed to scare away alot of shipping companies from Israel. Shipping insurance costs to Israel have skyrocketed and some companies have stopped delivering to Israel all together. As a result the Israeli economy has shrunk by 20% since Oct 7 and the Houthis are partially responsible for this
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
As a result the Israeli economy has shrunk by 20% since Oct 7 and the Houthis are partially responsible for this
That's just wrong. Israel's GDP shrunk 20% *in the last quarter* of 2023 resulting in a 2% year on year growth, and has rebounded by 14% in the 1Q of 2024 and its GDP is expected to grow by 2% this year. Most of Israel's trade doesn't pass through the Red Sea.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 17 '24
It's true that Israel has other major trade routes, but it's worth noting that these are some examples of disruptions to Israel (older articles, but worth considering):
"As of mid-December, Israel’s only Red Sea Port, at Eilat, reported an 85 percent drop in activity since the attacks began.
While the bulk of Israel’s marine traffic comes through the Mediterranean ports of Haifa and Ashdod, exports of Dead Sea potash, as well as imports of Chinese manufactured cars – which make up 70 percent of Israel’s EV sales – are reliant upon Eilat." (this also calls into question your claims that Chinese ships are inherently "neutral")
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/13/have-the-houthi-red-sea-attacks-hurt-israels-economy
"Traffic through its southern port of Eilat, located in the city which is also a tourist destination, has come to a halt, and the foreseeable future seems uncertain as the war rages."
Companies from countries such as Germany and the UK, major backers of Israel, have also been affected.
As I noted in another comment, I take your concerns about aid to Sudan seriously, but ultimately the solution isn't primarily in the hands of the Houthis. The responsibility falls on the US and Israel to develop a peaceful solution. Blaming the Houthis when their actions are just a symptom of the real problem doesn't make sense. Whether we agree with what they're doing or not, the international community must focus its pressure on Israel to end the genocide, end the oppression of Palestinians, and restore peace to the region.
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Jun 17 '24
That's a definition of terrorism so it does matter, that's why they are getting killed now
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Jun 17 '24
So many made up facts in complete contradiction to the actual reports coming from uninvolved countries having their ships attacked. Your comment is what you wish is happening, not what is happening
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Jun 16 '24
That Hamas and Houthis keep engaging in?
Not sure how you equate shooting down missiles--a purely defensive measure--to 'enabling a genocide'.7
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u/TheCommonKoala Jun 16 '24
War with the Houthis, War with Iran, War with Hezbollah, War with Hamas. All in support of a fucking genocide and apartheid state.
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u/Excellent-Blueberry1 Jun 18 '24
Sweet summer child, you think that the Iranians care about the Palestinians? They're useful idiots to Khamenei and his fellow loonies. They'd sacrifice every one of them without a moment's hesitation if they thought it would guarantee victory against their real enemy
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u/TheCommonKoala Jun 18 '24
Whether you believe that or not, you have to concede that the genocide gave them ample political justification for further escalation. Israel didn't help itself by bombing their embassy. Passing off all your regional allies simultaneously tends to be bad foreign policy.
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u/Excellent-Blueberry1 Jun 18 '24
They didn't bomb the embassy, they attacked an adjacent building that even the Iranians would concede was a viable target. Hence the telegraphed retaliatory strike, if they considered the Syrian attack an actual act of war, they wouldn't have been so generous as to broadcast to the entire region exactly when they were going to launch (a very limited) strike.
Which further demonstrates that Israel isn't the actual issue for the Iranian regime, they're probably only in third place on Iran's most hated list
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 16 '24
Q: What are these rebels, and how come their government doesn't do something about them?
A: They are the government.
Q: Why do we call them rebels them?
A: We'd prefer to call them terrorists, but if we start caĺling governments terrorists that's a precedent we very much want to avoid.
Q: And why are we fighting these "Rebels"?
A: They imposed sanctions which they won't lift unless we meet their outrageous demands.
Q: Sanctions against whom? Why? What demands?
A: You're an Anti-Semite for asking that question.
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u/PhillNeRD Jun 16 '24
The demand is to end occupation, genocide, apartheid, and war crimes. Imagine a government being labeled terrorists/rebels because they are working to end suffering
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 16 '24
While these are all demands the Houtis do support, the blockade is really just about one of them, the Genocide. They'll stop the economic blockade when Biden or Netanyahu decide to stop the current Genocide.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
They'll stop the economic blockade when Biden or Netanyahu decide to stop the current Genocide.
Considering that they promised not to strike Chinese operated ships and then striked them a week later, why do you trust them at all?
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 17 '24
What were the Chinese ships transporting? China is a major supplier of electric cars and other supplies to Israel. The Houthis said they are targeting ships supplying Israel. So I don't know about the specific incidents you're referencing, but I'm genuinely curious whether these Chinese ships are as neutral as you're suggesting.
Maybe China should put more economic and diplomatic pressure on Israel if it wants a peaceful resolution to this situation.
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Jun 16 '24
The occupation ended about 2 decades ago when Israel left Gaza. The only genocide occurring is from Hamas, who are allied with Iran and their other proxies in the Houthis. If they were truly concerned about war crimes, they wouldn't be firing at random civilian vessels.
If thr Houthis cared about apartheid, why do they support Palestinians who engage in apartheid policies like preventing Palestinians from selling land to Israelis?
They're a terrorist group because they aren't actually helping the Palestinians, they're attacking random civilian ships that have no connection to the Israel government.
Let's not pretend the group with a flag that translates to death to America and death to Israel is interested in doing the right thing.
What an embarrassing post on your part. Defending terrorists who call for your death.
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Jun 16 '24
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Jun 16 '24
I love how you know you're so wrong about the Houthis that you didn't even bother responding to that part. So let's get that out of the way that you know they're a terrorist organization and can't defend them anymore. Moving on.
" If the occupation ended then Israel wouldn’t be able to control what aid makes it in Gaza. They also wouldn’t be able to cut off light and water at will. No outside regime should have that type of control over another group of people. The Palestinian people are being held hostage by a genocidal state. Who seeks to encroach and steal the remaining resources and land."
The Palestinians are being held hostages by Hamas. You don't seem particularly concerned about the fact they turn water pipes into rockets, or that they openly admit they're not responsible for the well-being of Palestinians.
You don't seem concerned Hamas is starving them either.
You also fail to understand what a genocide is so you parrot what you hear. So tell me, what is a genocide and how is Israel committing it? Be specific.
"Israel needs to fuck off from Gaza and the West Bank and stop murdering these people at will. Palestinian people need to be able to govern themselves. Nobody would accept the horrible inhumane conditions forced on the Palestinians."
Israel wouldn't be in Gaza if Hamas didn't attack them. If Hamas returned the hostages there would be a ceasefire. But Hamas won't do that. Are you capable of recognizing the responsibility Hamas plays here? Or just spouting more anti-Israel nonsense?
Hamas is responsible for many of the struggles the Palestinians deal with. Able to call out any of them? Or are you going to reply and show everyone you still don't care about Palestinians?
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
A: They are the government
Besides not even controlling all of Yemen, which countries recognise them as the govt of Yemen? Zero
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 17 '24
Nice try, but your point would have been much stronger if you knew how to count, and had presented the actual number, instead of just lying and hope you don't get called out, Israel style.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
Exactly zero countries recognise Ansar Allah as the offical government of Yemen. Cite a single one, but of course you can't. Why double down on this lie?
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 17 '24
You're doubling down of the statement that Iran-backed Ansar Allah isn't recognized as the official government by any country. Which, considering how Western media never forgets to call them Iran backed, is a bit short sighted, because most people might remember that they are backed by Iran.
They also control the capital and almost all of the original country (before the failed merger with the country of South Yemen in 1990), and have done so for years, which makes them the de facto government.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
You're doubling down of the statement that Iran-backed Ansar Allah isn't recognized as the official government by any country
It's alleged and likely that Iran backs Ansar-allah, but they haven't outright recognised them as the offical govt. Even then, when did Iran become the litmus for them being the offical govt?
They also control the capital and almost all of the original country
As of 2024, they control about 25% of Yemen territory and anywhere between 50 - 70% of the population. By every definiton you're wrong. A simple 30 sec Google search will tell you this, why keep doubling down on this lie?
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 17 '24
It's alleged and likely that Iran backs Ansar-allah, but they haven't outright recognised them as the offical govt.
They have, since 2019.
when did Iran become the litmus for them being the offical govt
It didn't. I only mentioned Iran because it was a trivial point to dismantle your lie, which you then doubled down on, and now try to deflect from.
The litmus test of a governmental organization being the government is whether they are governing the people. De Facto.
By every definiton you're wrong.
I notice you "accidentally" misquoted the very definition I gave you, then argued against the strawman you created in bad faith. Unfortunate.
As you obviously know, because you wouldn't comment on Yemen without having any clue what you're talking about - that would be stupid! - and because I just told you a few minutes ago, Yemen was 2 countries before 1990: Yemen (sometimes North Yemen), and The Peoples Democratic Republic of Yemen (sometimes South Yemen). The merger failed and after a series of armed conflicts they are pretty much the same 2 countries again since 2015, with the Houthis governing pretty much the territory that belonged to the country that was known as Yemen before 1990.
Of course a 30 second google search won't tell you that, which is why I did tell you in the very comment you replied to, on the off chance that 30 seconds on Google is everything you know about the topic.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
The litmus test of a governmental organization being the government is whether they are governing the people. De Facto.
I'm super curious; if Israel were to annex Gaza and the West Bank, does the government of Palestine become Israel since they have defacto rule of the territory?
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Jun 17 '24
Correct. Israel is the De Facto government of the West Bank already, by not recognizing the PA's authority over the settlements at all and instead enforcing their own, by being the effective police and judicial power against Palestinians in the West Bank, by taxing Palestinians in the West Bank, by governing the borders and all ports of entry of the West Bank, and by being the puppet masters of the PA that "governs" what remains. And by selling public land in the West Bank to Israelis, obviously. If you've been wondering why Israel is called an Apartheit regime worse than South Africa and Jim Crow, that is why.
If Israel were to annex Gaza, Israel would become the De Facto government while Hamas would become the government In Exile.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
So whatever actions the IDF takes represent people under them like the Houthi authorities in Saana, regardless how many countries or people consider them an occupying force or illegitimate? That's a great proponent argument for outright imperialism, might makes right for legitimacy. Didn't expect you to believe in Israeli authority over Palestinians ¯_(ツ)_/¯,
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
They have, since 2019.
I didn't know that one country recognised the Houthis as govt, I'd conceed that.
The litmus test of a governmental organization being the government is whether they are governing the people. De Facto.
Except that's not how intl relations work nor how best legitimacy functions, you're implying everyone outside of Houthi authority is still subject to them albeit in absentia. The houthis are still seiging cities like Taizz and terrority has gone back and forth prior to the ceasefire. Are you claiming that every citizen in Yemen falls under Houthi authority despite what seemingly every country outside Iran has positioned? If they're seemingly unable to seize further territory, what does that make the rest of Yemen? Because you are arguing the Houthi's represent it all.
with the Houthis governing pretty much the territory that belonged to the country that was known as Yemen before 1990.
Its irrleveant bringing this up. There is no country called "North Yemen", nor has ansar-allah demanded just the north. I am well aware of the wiki summary you pulled from about past Yemen(s), but that irrelevant to the Houthi's own demand of sole governorship is all of Yemen, not its historical North.
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u/_makoccino_ Jun 16 '24
International waters are open if you're not headed to, coming from Israel. If the US can impose unilateral sanctions and blockade on Cuba and other countries that won't bend over to US multinational corporations, then so can the Houthis impose their own blocked to punish a genocidal country and anyone who aids them.
This is what a world without international order and laws looks like. US is just upset that they're getting a taste of their own medicine.
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u/Far_Silver Jun 16 '24
The US isn't blockading Cuba. Americans are prohibited from trading with it, but plenty of other countries trade with the Cubans. Still it would easier to just stop the genocide if Biden wants commerce to flow freely through the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
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u/CreamofTazz Jun 16 '24
The US blocks Americans or businesses from trading with Cuba, foreign US subsides from trading, and threatens to cut off American aid with any country that trades with Cuba. It may not be a literal blockade but the people in Cuba call it "El bloqueo" or "The blockade"
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u/Cacharadon New Zealand Jun 17 '24
If you are from a visa waiver country in the anglosphere, you lose your visa waiver status with the USA if you travel to Cuba. Just because it's not overt, doesn't mean the blockade doesn't exist
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u/Odd_P0tato Jun 17 '24
Article from September 2023 "US Confirms April Seizure of Iran Oil Shipment" https://www.voanews.com/a/us-confirms-april-seizure-of-iran-oil-shipment-/7260671.html US absolutely plays a game it doesn't want others to play
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u/Far_Silver Jun 17 '24
That was in the Red Sea. I never said they weren't operating against Iran. I said they weren't blockading Cuba. The US has had an embargo against Cuba for decades (except when it was briefly lifted under Obama), but the US has not blockaded Cuba since the Kennedy administration.
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u/Horus_walking Jun 16 '24
The combat pits the Navy's mission to keep international waterways open against a group whose former arsenal of assault rifles and pickup trucks has grown into a seemingly inexhaustible supply of drones, missiles and other weaponry. Near-daily attacks by the Houthis since November have seen more than 50 vessels clearly targeted, while shipping volume has dropped in the vital Red Sea corridor that leads to the Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean.
The pace of the fire can be seen on the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, where the paint around the hatches of its missile pods has been burned away from repeated launches. Its sailors sometimes have seconds to confirm a launch by the Houthis, confer with other ships and open fire on an incoming missile barrage that can move near or beyond the speed of sound.
“It is every single day, every single watch, and some of our ships have been out here for seven-plus months doing that," said Capt. David Wroe, the commodore overseeing the guided missile destroyers.
One round of fire on Jan. 9 saw the Laboon, other vessels and F/A-18s from the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower shoot down 18 drones, two anti-ship cruise missiles and a ballistic missile launched by the Houthis.
Nearly every day — aside from a slowdown during the holy Muslim fasting month of Ramadan — the Houthis launch missiles, drones or some other type of attack in the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden and the narrow Bab el-Mandeb Strait that connects the waterways and separates Africa from the Arabian Peninsula.
The Navy saw periods of combat during the “Tanker Wars” of the 1980s in the Persian Gulf, but that largely involved ships hitting mines. The Houthi assaults involve direct attacks on commercial vessels and warships.
“This is the most sustained combat that the U.S. Navy has seen since World War II — easily, no question,” said Bryan Clark, a former Navy submariner and a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. “We’re sort of on the verge of the Houthis being able to mount the kinds of attacks that the U.S. can’t stop every time, and then we will start to see substantial damage. … If you let it fester, the Houthis are going to get to be a much more capable, competent, experienced force.”
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 16 '24
After the US and its Saudi Allies committed massive atrocities against Yemen, they are now shocked that people are actually fighting back? And that some people won't stand idly by while Israel and its Western allies commit genocide against Palestine?
The US and its cronies have been committing so many massacres against helpless civilians that they almost forgot that a war has more than one side.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24
How does the Houthi actions in anyway help Yemen, which is still in a civil war, or Gazans?
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 17 '24
They're attempting to prevent shipping from reaching Israel, including weapons shipments. Targeting Israel on an economic level and disrupting the war machine is a valid form of resistance.
Is it having a meaningful impact? The fact that the US military is taking it as a serious threat tells me it's at least a thorn in their side.
Obviously it's not enough on its own, but combined with other actions, it is a form of pressure.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
They're attempting to prevent shipping from reaching Israel, including weapons shipments
But that's objectively untrue when many of the ships struck have no involvement, such as Hunag Pu and Rubymar
it is a form of pressure.
But the pressure isn't on Israel and the US, but collectively including neutral states like China, Greece, Poland, Lebanon and Belarus which undermines political support as you galvanize more enemies
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 17 '24
The Houthis claim they are attempting to target ships with ties to Israel. You can debate how effective they have been in distinguishing between different ships, but that is their stated goal.
Disrupting shipping will impact Israel economically. It already is impacting Israel's tourism sector and other industries.
If it also financially impacts other countries who aren't connected, I guess that's what the Americans call "collateral damage." There are other, less convenient routes they can send their ships through. But maybe this will encourage those countries to put pressure on Israel for peace negotiations, because the Israeli government's actions are provoking these tensions in the first place.
By its very nature, war is disruptive. Israel's actions are hurting various countries' economies much worse than anything the Houthis have done. And ultimately some economic side effects caused by the Houthis are minor concerns compared to the genocide that Israel and the US are perpetrating.
Also, as a side note, Israel is illegally using white phosphorus weapons to attack the people of Lebanon, so the Houthis are probably not what they're most worried about in this conflict.
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u/SalokinSekwah Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
but that is their stated goal
But they are lying when most ships striked have no ties to Israel or simply transiting through. Theres nothing to debate when they promised to not strike chinese ships, and proceeded to do just that.
> Disrupting shipping will impact Israel economically
The most affected people's aren't Israelis, (there's minimal evidence that their economy has been substantially effected) but lebanese and Sudanese who now wait longer for humanitarian aid. If the goal was to harm Israel's economy, then its failing.
https://english.news.cn/20240117/8b09a99334df44a5b289e80ad3a8204e/c.html
But maybe this will encourage those countries to put pressure on Israel for peace negotiations
Is there any evidence of this? The US backed UNSC condemnation of the houthis passed after China and Russia abstained. Yet you think the Houthis striking their shipping is somehow helping build pressure on Israel?
By its very nature, war is disruptive
You still haven't pointed how striking these - mostly neutral, uninvolved - ships has helped Gazans except baselessly speculate it might help, even though the Houthis lied about their targets multiple times. It seems very naive to support a failing statergy thats harming more civilians than anything releated to Israel.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
Where is your evidence that the Houthis "lied"? Do we know with certainty what was on all of these ships, where they were headed, or whether the Houthis deliberately went after ships they knew to be neutral? And frankly, even if they decided to shut down the traffic in the Red Sea altogether, I can see a justification for that if it helps prevent genocide.
The effects on aid to Sudan are certainly a valid concern, but there are also alternative routes and ways to get them aid. And if countries like the US were more interested in providing humanitarian support than providing massive military aid to Israel (or continuing their own outrageously bloated military spending), they could easily provide much greater assistance to the people of Sudan regardless of the Red Sea situation.
Most security council members are providing minimal assistance to Palestinian liberation (or in some cases even actively opposing it), with or without the Houthis' actions. I see no reason why they would suddenly care less about Gaza after being economically affected by the conflict, or why this should drive them to support Israel, the country which is inflaming all of these tensions in the first place. I may be speculating, but so are you.
If the international community wants stability and safe trade within the region, then pressuring Israel is the most meaningful solution. I'm not going to blame a relatively small, comparatively powerless group of people for a crisis that has been caused by the actions of much more powerful groups. If we're going to be concerned about all the things you've mentioned, then let's focus on the actions that the US, Israel, the UK, France, Germany, Canada, etc. can take to create a real solution, instead of wringing our hands over what a minor party is doing.
Edit: I removed a point I made about China's role in Sudan; I need to do more research of my own, and it's not fully relevant.
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u/Candid-String-6530 Jun 16 '24
US Navy faces its most intense combat since World War II against a group of desert rebels with no boats.
Billion Dollar Advanced Warships and Aircraft Carrier Group.
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Jun 17 '24
Absolutely effective. Each missile they use to shoot down a Houthi drone is probably just as expensive as said Houthis delaying a shipment. It’s a lose lose for Israel/US from an economic perspective.
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u/Justhereforstuff123 United States Jun 16 '24
And they think they can take on China & Russia combined 🤣🤣🤣. Shits different when the playing field is even slightly even.
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u/diedlikeCambyses Jun 16 '24
They absolutely can. They have prepared to do so, last century. We're always super prepared for the previous war. I think we'd find these floating fortresses and taken out by cheap high tech missiles etc.
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u/AffectionateVast5755 Jun 16 '24
The most advanced and powerful military in the world can’t handle a bunch of dudes with drones and RPG’s.
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u/Joshistotle Jun 17 '24
The headline is worded to get the public thinking the mil industrial complex needs a couple trillion more dollars.
Curiously, most of the headlines seem to be like that, "America not prepared, America unprepared, uncertainty, etc", all clearly worded incorrectly to make the public think the current budgets are insufficient.
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u/DeepState_Auditor Jun 16 '24
Are they begging for more money or an invasion ? Cause otherwise makes them looks inept.
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u/Material-Offer-9030 Jun 16 '24
Re Original Poster, do the Houthis have planes, Aircraft carrier and suicide planes? Not really. What an utter BC
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u/AmericanMinotaur Jun 17 '24
Why are people supporting the Houthis? Has anything they’ve done ACTUALLY helped Palestine? They’re not targeting Israeli or American ships, they’re targeting EVERYONE’S ships. The crew of a Greek ship had to be rescued by the US Navy today and one of the sailors is still unaccounted for. Is more civilians, who aren’t even related to the conflict, dying really going to help anyone? Neither side is going to stop fighting because some ships got hit by the Houthis, and all this does is distract from the war.
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u/LeucotomyPlease Jun 17 '24
ah yes, what a shame if some civilians would be hurt glances in the direction of Gaza ahem
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u/AmericanMinotaur Jun 17 '24
Any civilian casualties are tragic. More senseless deaths will not end the conflict in Gaza. You can side with civilians in Gaza without siding with an Iranian-backed rebel group who have been waging a civil war against the Yemeni government since 2014. The Houthis distract from Gaza, because while most people can sympathize with the situation of Palestinians, most people also do not like the Houthis. Supporting them might dilute support for Gaza. That is all I am saying.
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u/LeucotomyPlease Jun 17 '24
nothing is going to “dilute support” for being against a genocide, bud. you’re out of touch with about 95% of the planet at this point.
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u/AmericanMinotaur Jun 17 '24
I would question where that 95% figure comes from, but ultimately that doesn’t matter. Neither of us will change each other’s minds it seems, so I will take my leave. Thank you for your time.
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