r/InternationalNews • u/Reddit_Sucks_1401 • May 28 '24
International ‘EU may sanction Israel’ unless it ends Rafah operations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/28/eu-may-sanction-israel-unless-it-ends-rafah-operations/Lets hope that "may" will turn into a "will"
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May 28 '24
Remember how fast they were to sanction Iran when they did a symbolic retaliatory strike that they coordinated with us that killed no one ?
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u/KingApologist May 28 '24
Remember how fast they were to sanction Iran when they did a symbolic retaliatory strike that they coordinated with us that killed no one ?
Israel has killed over 28x as many children as Russia in a quarter of the time (that means 112x the rate of child-killing), has destroyed a much greater amount of civilian infrastructure, and has killed about 2% of the population. That would be like Ukraine having 900,000 deaths in the first seven months, or 3.6 million deaths overall after 2 years at the same rate. And Russia is sanctioned to hell and back. Where is the "international rules-based order" on this?
The experience that people in Europe have of "liberal democracies" is much different than people in Palestine feel.
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u/Napoleons_Peen May 28 '24
Ukrainian = sad. Russia is orcs.
Palestinian = grow up bitch that’s just war.
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u/Wetley007 May 28 '24
Ukranian = white
Palestinian = not white
Pretty sure that's it
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u/Luc2992 May 28 '24
Pretty sure anyone still tolerating Israel just isn't ready to be called a Nazi and an anti-semite.
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u/Fast_Butterscotch498 Jun 02 '24
I am 100% anti Jewish Zionist .
I am happy to know that there are thousands of decent Jews who believe in living in harmony with their Muslim and Christian neighbours .
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u/miningman12 May 29 '24
Ukraine is a Western ally fighting one of our biggest enemies and plans/hopes to join EU in the near future. It's effectively going to be merged into EU in the near future, of course EU would be pro-Ukraine.
Hamas is backed by / supports enemies of the EU (Iran/Russia), what are we suppose to do? Back them? The best we can do is take a stance that Israel-Palestine need to return to their borders, but we don't ship them many weapons nor do we have that much ability to diplomatically pressure them.
The Arab world should be taking a much harder stance against Israel, it's their neighborhood, just like Ukraine is the EU's neighborhood.
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u/Wetley007 May 30 '24
Ukraine is a Western ally fighting one of our biggest enemies and plans/hopes to join EU in the near future. It's effectively going to be merged into EU in the near future, of course EU would be pro-Ukraine.
The only reason anyone should support Ukraine is because they are a democratic country being invaded by an ultranationalist fascist state. Who gives a shit if its going to join the EU? I would still support them if they weren't.
Hamas is backed by / supports enemies of the EU (Iran/Russia), what are we suppose to do? Back them?
No one said to back Hamas. I'll tell you what you should do, sanction Israel, that's the least you can do. Hell, we bombed Serbia for less than what Israel is doing right now.
The Arab world should be taking a much harder stance against Israel, it's their neighborhood, just like Ukraine is the EU's neighborhood.
Ah yes, the Arab world, famously too lenient in its stance toward Israel. Everywhere is our neighborhood, why should I care more about people who live in Ukraine than I do about Palestinians? Seems to me that this "neighborhood" you reference seems to conveniently cut off right around the Bosphorus Straight, where you start getting to countries who's population aren't considered white anymore
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u/Bluetooth_Sandwich May 29 '24
Liberal takes are fucking exhausting. Paint it anyway you want, but history will not be kind to you or the millions of other fence sitters.
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u/GroundbreakingTill33 May 29 '24
When it comes to Europe... Russia is a genuine threat to several of our nations within the eu and must be stopped ASAP, Israel on the other hand is not likely to invade any other nation. That's the difference between these two situations not race. Armenians are also white plus Christian but Europe is doing nothing about Azerbaijan because again Azerbaijan is not a threat to the eu.
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u/Dagbog May 29 '24
Just as I think what Israel is doing is very bad, your comparison is a bit stupid. Both wars have slightly different backgrounds and different historical connotations. Should sanctions and other restrictions be imposed on Israel? Of course. Is the Ukrainian-Russian war the same as the Israeli-Palestinian war? NO. And reducing it to skin color is abstract.
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u/phantapuss May 29 '24
Is bombing woman and kids in refugee camps really a war? Surely not by any reasonable description. This is just massacring innocent's
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u/Dagbog May 29 '24
I absolutely agree with you, it is a massacre of civilians on many levels. Israel uses the tactic of punishing collectively for the actions of some individuals, in this case Hamas. And yes, this is a war between Israel and Hamas where innocent Palestinians suffer the most.
The worst thing is that the actions of Hamas (or it could be the IDF pretending to be Hamas) give a stupid excuse for Israel to do what they do.
But note that your comparison of skin color to whether someone is worth more or less in this case is absurd. These two conflicts (not to call it a war) have completely different origins. Historically, they have nothing in common or comparable except that civilians are killed.
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u/Wetley007 May 30 '24
You say that as though Israel doesn't have a major problem with Ashkenazis being massively disproportionately in control of government and the economy in Israel
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 May 28 '24
You shouldn't be getting downvoted. It's a majority non-white country and ignoring that just makes people look ignorant.
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u/thesilverbride May 28 '24
Because the white guys actually run it.
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 May 29 '24
And pogroms in the Arab world are the reason why the country is majority non-white.
I’m not defending Israel’s actions right now, I’m just frustrated with the way the pro-Palestinian side (of which I consider myself part of) washes over the ugly history that made this such an emotional and messy issue in the first place. It’s not like rich white people came to Israel and colonized it because they wanted to expand an Empire — it was mostly settled by refugees escaping persecution. None of this excuses the Nakba, but if we downplay the legitimate historical trauma from either side this conflict will never end.
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u/Wetley007 May 30 '24
Yes, when a hugely disproportionate part of the government is white despite white people being in the minority I would say there definitely something going on there
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u/randomthrow1988 May 28 '24
That's one way of describing it or the other way is whenever NATO backs someone you always know there are Nazis in closets
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 May 28 '24
As furious as I am about Gaza, we don't need to do a whattabout with Ukraine. It's also an illegal war, a genocide, and the consequences are far-reaching and deadly serious. From my perspective (or algorithm) I barely hear anything about Ukraine anymore, and what I do see on social media downplays the conflict. Anger over Israel should not lead to complacency over Putin.
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u/InformationHead3797 May 29 '24
No one is saying the response to Ukraine is unjustified, rather the exact opposite.
They’re saying the response to Israel is non-existent and call out the hypocrisy when proportionally their actions have been even more horrific and devastating at scale compared to those that led to immediate sanctions and maximum international outrage.
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May 29 '24
Idk where you are looking because Ukraine is still in the news daily being written about much more sympathetically than the Palestinians.
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Ukraine has an army, was supplied with weapons, and is not millions on people crammed into an area of land the size of a football field. As illegal and imperialistic as Putin's invasion is, it's still a war between two tactical equals. Israel is bombing an open air prison where over half the population is children.
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u/wetbirds4 May 28 '24
Remember how precise that strike was as well? Not justifying it at ALL, but now they claim Rafah’s bombing was an accident as if they don’t have state of the art precision
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u/Pugs-r-cool May 28 '24
It’s the Schrödinger’s Missile lie they’ve been saying from the start. Every attack is both highly precise and targeted while also being an unfortunate accident and unpredictable, depending on what’s favourable to them and who they’re saying it to.
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u/GreyFox-RUH May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Remember how they cut off UNRWA funding as soon as Israel claimed, but didn't provide evidence, that UNRWA was culpable?
Palestinian violence justifies Israeli violence, but Israeli violence never justifies Palestinian violence.
Israeli rumors, like the 40 beheaded babies, get echoed. Palestinian actual suffering gets hushed.
And the list goes on.
I think Rafah is the wake up call for them. Or at least, it's not something they can defend that easily
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u/LiatKolink May 28 '24
Or how fast they defunded UNRWA based off a testimony extracted via torture with zero evidence.
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u/Luc2992 May 28 '24
yeah it's a shame. i really wonder what Israel has on us (Europe) to make us so indecisive when it comes to upholding international law, human rights, decency etc.. I mean it's obvious why the US is tolerating them, but why Europe?
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Many of EU countries are allies of Israel which I imagine makes it more complicated.
To be clear I am 100% in favor of sanctioning Israel. Make the Israeli people see and feel how much of a pariah their government has made them on the world stage. Maybe it will finally push them to vote these monsters out.
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u/HikmetLeGuin May 29 '24
But the Israeli regime can kill Iranians with impunity and no one in the West gives a damn because "Muslims bad, Zionists good."
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u/hanginglimbs May 30 '24
in this example, israelis are zionists (not jews), but iranians are muslims (not islamist facists). good spin.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
I said "the Israeli regime," which is Zionist. I didn't say anything about all Israelis.
And no, Iranian scientists murdered (directly or indirectly) by Mossad are not "Islamist fascists."
And the recent bombing of the Iranian consulate in Damascus by Israeli forces was a crime, regardless of what you think of Iran's government. It not only killed Iranian personnel, but also Syrian civilians.
Edit: Plus, the reason I mentioned Muslims is because Islamophobia is an important factor in dehumanizing the Israeli military's victims. Whereas Jewishness isn't that relevant here. Settler colonialist Zionism is more of a primary factor.
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May 28 '24
Israel actually has nukes and escalated it by bombing Iranian soil and assassinating multiple Iranian leaders in another country. And Israel has been attacking Lebanon, Syria, and starting shit with Egypt. So I assume that’s what you were talking about right?
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u/Napoleons_Peen May 28 '24
Blah blah blah why do they even release statements like this when we all know that they won’t do any of that? Frankly it’s likely already been settled that they won’t.
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u/CreamofTazz May 28 '24
For a real answer it's because they want the voters to see that they're "doing something".
If we assume that they will sanction Israel, then this is a signal to discontent voters that they're working on something, simmering things down
If we assume they're thinking of sanctioning Israel this is a signal to discontent voters that they're finally being listened to, simmering things down.
If we assume they're going to do nothing then what it does is simmer down voters until they forget and move on
It's just a simple political to inform the citizenry and should be generally ignored until something actually (or doesn't) happen.
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u/aymed_caliskan May 28 '24
Exactly this. The EU will do fuck all unless they think they can use the situation for political advantage.
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u/IamNotFreakingOut May 28 '24
European elections are next week, so it's time to say just about everything for now and do nothing for later.
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May 28 '24
Yup, it's fascinating how the majority of politicians in EU support genocide. Good that elections are coming
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May 28 '24
It’s just a very thin legal cover. No one has to actually buy it they just need something to be able to control the narrative.
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May 28 '24
I think this has legal reasons, with such statements they basically can wash their hands off blood in front of the ICJ
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u/speakhyroglyphically May 28 '24
Testing public and diplomatic reactions. I suppose they want to know if it's 'worth it' for them
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u/hfdsicdo May 28 '24
Israel should have been sanctioned decades ago.
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u/Specific-Finish-5983 Palestine May 28 '24
It should have never been created in the first place. Or if so, then in a part of Germany. For the record I’m German.
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u/Thamalakane May 28 '24
"may" WHEN????
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u/Reddit_Sucks_1401 May 28 '24
You know how it goes with the EU. Never believe it till you actually see it happen
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u/_makoccino_ May 28 '24
After Israel gives them a report about how they investigated themselves and found they're were in full compliance with the court.
“One of the conclusions was to convene a meeting of the EU-Israeli Association Council to raise our grave concerns and to seek from Israel a response in terms of complying with the orders of the Court,” added Martin.
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u/plato1123 May 29 '24
Better be long before the US presidential election. Netanyahu knows his actions are infuriating Biden's voting base who bibi thinks will stay home, usher Trump into office, and then the real Israeli bloodshed of the Palestinians can begin. Netanyahu (along with Putin, Kim, other fascists) will do everything they can to sabotage Biden's reelection chances.
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u/Thamalakane May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
And Biden is falling for it. Who advises this man?
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u/plato1123 May 29 '24
Bibi is def screwing Biden but I dunno what options Joe has if he wants to win in November. The American voting public has trouble seeing Muslims as anything but the bad guys, partially due to Christian fundamentalism and partially due to AIPAC.
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u/Thamalakane May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
But there seems to be a lot of youth behind the Palestinians. An impossible balancing act for Biden.
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u/plato1123 May 29 '24
Exactly this, a majority of American voters feeling with Israel but a huge part of Biden's base sympathetic the Palestinians.
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u/ColinCookie May 28 '24
"May". They won't sanction them. They know it, you know it, i know, the cat that shits in my vegetable garden knows it. This will end when Gaza is a graveyard.
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u/lastrefuge May 28 '24
It's quite sad how America dictates and influences global policies by sanctioning countries they don't like, and having Europe follow their path. For example, Iran, Iraq, etc.
I get how american politicians will not speak out against Israel because of lobbying, corruption etc.
But how much of a pussy is the EU? Israel is doing genecoide, violating human rights, etc... and not a word against them??
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u/elqrd May 28 '24
Do it. 45 people were massacred. Do it now. Do not wait.
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May 28 '24 edited May 31 '24
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u/Sargasm666 May 28 '24
I’m confused.
The same Germany that said they’ll arrest Netanyahu (or however you spell that shit) if he steps foot in Germany?
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u/MeDeixaPostarVai May 28 '24
Germany is compelled by the ICC, whose rulings are binding on its members. But make no mistake, the country is still an enemy to Palestine. Unless the ICC demands sanctions, I don't see why Germany would rush to approve them.
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u/Fig1025 May 28 '24
lets be real, as much as Israeli government says they hate Hamas, all their actions are laying fertile ground for strong Hamas resurgence a few years later. How many new recruits they have created by killing parents, wives, and children of regular civilians? there is so much generational hate now and desire for revenge. Yes Hamas are absolutely terrible, but why Israel not thinking about the future and creating more of them? Why the hard liners in Israel are so comfortable with creating more Hamas in the future?
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u/silverionmox May 28 '24
If the balloons are being floated, that's a sign of politicians testing the waters to see how their voters will react.
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May 28 '24
They're just trying to save their asses because a Swiss group just requested the Nazi Princess to be investigated by the ICC
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u/Sprintzer May 28 '24
It’s all talk and no action. I’m sick of it. The EU is afraid of taking real, hard action that disagrees with the USA’s position.
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u/Kid_that_u_fear May 28 '24
Now is the time to push for a 2 state deal. Sanctions won't resolve anything. Israel's plan is simple: kill and displace as many Palestinians as possible and conquer all of Palestine. It's not apartheid it's a goddamned genocide.
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u/MsMoreCowbell8 May 28 '24
Israel will not end operations bc the whole point is to obliterate the Palestinian population and take the land. There is no other objective.
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u/ManyFails1Win May 29 '24
What's the time window on this, a month or two? I call bullshit. Either do it or don't.
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u/Jpc19-59 May 29 '24
How many tanks have the Gazans got ? How many Helicopters have they got ? How many aircraft have they got ? This isn't a war. it's an American backed Massacre, which in years to come will be labelled a Genocide
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u/TakeItWithSalt May 28 '24
Wow what "great" news we MAY sanction them but secretly they know they behind the curtains of the mayor banking system (?)
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u/Teddy-Bear-55 May 28 '24
“May “ being the operative word; Sickening how beholden Europe considers itself to the US, but it doesn’t have to be that way: four more years of Trump and the destruction of NATO, and perhaps the world can turn its back on this sinking experiment in individualism, for the good of all.
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May 28 '24
Here’s an elephant in the room. Why aren’t Arabic nations doing anything?
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u/NOLA-Bronco May 28 '24
Why is this an elephant? Several Arabic nations are, many others are also comprised of non-democratic leaderships often established, propped up, or deeply economically intertwined by the very same imperial powers that back or backed Israel into the present.
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May 28 '24
Because they are western puppets. The royal families and leaders in Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Jordan, Egypt etc are all US vassal states and decades long CIA projects. The MENA nations that aren’t like Iran, Lebanon, & Yemen are and they are being punished for it.
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May 28 '24
Because nobody will support Palestine for what they are. Like Israel. Both are bad and terrorists states. Only difference is that west (at least European side) knows how it can end when nobody stops genocide regime. That's why they're talks about sanctions on Israel. I guarantee you guys that if not for USA and fact that Europe needs US protection against russia israel would be sanctioned long, long time ago.
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u/roadkillsy May 28 '24
Because they don’t give a shit about the Palestinian’s and are far more afraid of Iran than their hate for Israel. Their mercenary, corrupt armies stand no chance against any motivated force (see Yemen) no matter how expensive their equipment is so they rely on big daddy America and Israel to keep the Iranians in check. It’s really sad that it’s the Palestinian people who have to suffer for this bullshit.
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u/Bluetooth_Sandwich May 29 '24
Wow this was the most condensed version of the middle east geopolitics situation.
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u/_makoccino_ May 28 '24
Most Arab countries don't have relations with Israel, trade, or diplomatic, so there's nothing to sanction.
The ones that do are dictatorships and corrupt monarchies that are sitting on the throne as long as they appease the US, with dozens from within the family willing to replace them and offer more concessions if need be.
The people are protesting and getting treated worse than the Germans treat their protestors. But neither local or international media will tell you that because when it comes to Israel, villifying the Palestinians as unwanted and unsupported in the Arab world is important for Israeli PR.
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u/speakhyroglyphically May 28 '24
Then they better start doing it already because Israel wont be stopping IMO
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u/Riaayo May 28 '24
"May"
If the line for sanctions hasn't already been crossed for you, then you're not going to do it. Nobody gives a fuck about "may" or "might" or "could".
It is beyond the time to consider sanctions, and quite frankly beyond the time when they should have been done. This should have happened tens of thousands of deaths ago.
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u/Proud_Koala_5510 May 28 '24
Quit twiddling your thumbs and SANCTION already.
How many dead innocents does it take to finally f-ing DO something.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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u/nekojitaa May 28 '24
Why bother even saying it if you just add the word "may"?! All these countries baby Israel..ffs
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u/Comprehensive_Soil28 May 28 '24
Maybe after Israel is finished with cleaning out Rafa AND the West Bank, the EU might sanction them… not before. Israels plan is to claim all what they have been given by god, and they will not stop before unless the world intervenes. Gaza is just the beginning… or does anyone seriously believe that Israel will give up even a single settlement in the occupied territories?
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u/thepatientinvestor May 29 '24
Then do it ! What took them so long.the world already knows the truth. Siding with Israel now is complicit to the crime of genocide. No buts or ifs. The biden administration is guilty of war crimes- genocide.
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u/PonderousPenchant May 28 '24
"They stole out children! Therefore, we're allowed to kill theirs!"
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