r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • May 20 '24
International Netanyahu arrest warrant sought for Gaza war crimes
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u/speakhyroglyphically May 20 '24 edited May 20 '24
May 20, 2024 Credit: International Criminal Court.
The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, and Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader, on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Karim Khan KC, the ICC’s chief prosecutor, told CNN that the charges related to the Oct 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza.
The ICC is also seeking warrants for Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, and two other top Hamas leaders.
The charges against Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant include “causing extermination, causing starvation as a method of war, including the denial of humanitarian relief supplies, deliberately targeting civilians in conflict,” Mr Khan said.
Israel is not a member of the ICC and disputes its jurisdiction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekj22AQ344Q
Related article - https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b885275 Page was deleted
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u/RedSnt May 20 '24
Related article - https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b885275
This has been deleted, article is no longer available.
New article is up though: "US rejects ICC prosecutor’s request for arrest warrants for Israeli leaders" - https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-hamas-latest-05-20-2024-ad834288883034b4d8bc5c60614484f6As expected tbh.
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u/greed May 20 '24
The woman on the left has really seen some shit.
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u/macellan May 20 '24
That is the correct emoji to put on your face in this case. ☹️
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u/greed May 21 '24
I agree. She just has not only the facial expression, but that thousand yard stare. I assume she's a war crimes prosecutor. The things she must have personally seen, the testimonies heard, the reports read.
That is the face of someone that has stared into the open maw of Hell itself.
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u/ycnz May 20 '24
Could be related to:
"Congress is reviewing all options, including sanctions, to punish the ICC and ensure its leadership faces consequences if they proceed," Johnson said in a statement."
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u/WombatusMighty May 20 '24
Not going to happen. Trump might try it, but it would be result in a total collapse of the international order of law and irredeemably destroy Americas reputation of a lawful actor. It's mostly talking points to please the AIPAC lobby.
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u/lems34 May 21 '24
Or the gross indifference of all Europe towards the Jewish people for thousands of years is me could say resulting in this modern conflict….. but History is stupid and apparently if your Western European you can forget all the atrocities countries Western Countries committed like colonization, internal genocides, and of course Holocausts. She’s looking menacing for an old European who’s probably turned a blind eye to a lot of modern Terri or shit. But I’m a pool boy not a doctor, but I can check your Ph!
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u/G00dR0bot May 20 '24
Go on then! Take action and put an end to this horiffic genocide! Put them on trial for the world to see like the Nazis were. Remember to go after all the politicians abroad who supported and funded Israel's mass war crimes too.
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u/WombatusMighty May 20 '24
Wrong, if the arrest warrant is confirmed by the ICC judge, then all signature countries are legally obliged to arrest Netanyahu once he enters a signature country, e.g. most European countries - which also means an arrest if he lands there on the way to America.
The only way Netanyahu will remain safe is if he never leaves Israel and the Israeli high court will not extradite him due to this arrest warrant. And lets not forget the Israeli courts hate Netanyahu and they want to arrest him themselves, for all the corruption affairs.
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u/KinkyUggBoot May 21 '24
Don’t doubt this for a second, but do you have any sources for the courts hating Netanyahu? I find that really interesting and I’d like to do further research. Thanks :)
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u/Wonderful-Mango5853 May 20 '24
Why does the indictment leave out psychopath Ben Gvir?
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u/demonzk May 20 '24
Hope in humanity isn't lost yet
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u/SilZXIII May 20 '24
I would like to feel this sentiment, but I don’t see why that is. Israel won, there is a scapegoat, everything will continue as it has always been. Israel as a state suffers no backdrop, moreover it wasn’t even “Yep, the verdict is Israel is guilty” but “eh, both are, so we’ll arrest the leaders of both”.
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u/demonzk May 20 '24
More people around the world know now about the history of the conflict and support Palestine, and Israel is turning into a pariah state, things will change slowly but surely, and more crimes Israel commited will be exposed to the world, then one day Palestine will be granted it's own state and freedom, this is not a win for Israel, their plan was to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from Gaza and they failed, and more efforts now are being pushed for a 2 state solution
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u/SilZXIII May 21 '24
Well, you made me feel better.. Thank you. I lost family in this war, and I lean into nihilism. Thank you for the hope. I wish it will be as you say.
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u/ikenstein May 21 '24
Do ICC arrest warrants mean anything? Bc I haven’t heard of any mass arrests of the thousands of US marines and contract armies that should be charged with war crimes with the confounding evidence already brought to that court
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u/Stacysguyca May 20 '24
How long before they “disappear in a helicopter” or “ k*ll themselves” ?
So can the US veto this somehow?
Israel is evil
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u/Classic_Test8467 May 20 '24
The US is not a party to the treaty that created the ICC and there’s no veto power by states under the Rome Statute
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u/GetOutOfTheWhey May 20 '24
US probably cant veto this. But they have threatened the people in the ICC.
Though they have been very vague and eerie with their threats. So it's definite concern for these judges.
Him issuing the request for warrants, other judges need to accept it.
This is why the ICC needs protection from rogue state actors. Not saying US is one. But ICC needs this protection from actors who would invade/abduct/threaten them.
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u/thewaffleiscoming May 20 '24
Why should anyone care what the hypocritical US think? If it's legitimate enough to prosecute crimes in Rwanda and Bosnia, it should be valid everywhere. US isn't even a party to the ICC, so f them. They want to finally admit that justice is a sham, then go ahead and mask off. Stop lecturing others when everything is for sale in the US just because corruption has been branded lobbying. Entitled wankers.
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u/Significant-Ad-7182 May 20 '24
The lecturing is for the braindead population of USA. One way or another you need boots on the ground, people controlling UAVs and flying fighter planes.
"We are the good guys" rhetoric is so that people continue to support them even with their lives.
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u/HikmetLeGuin May 20 '24
The US was providing information to the ICC in their case against Russia. But now supposedly the ICC is bad and has no right to prosecute people for war crimes. Very hypocritical.
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u/LiatKolink May 20 '24
Because the US is the most powerful military state in the world and has threatened to invade The Netherlands if any US officials are prosecuted for war crimes, and wouldn't surprise me if it did the same for Israel.
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u/WombatusMighty May 20 '24
That is just political bullshit, that would never happen. First, it would completely destroy Americas reputation and the trust in the US lawfullness, with extremely damaging consequences for the US, and second it would automatically trigger a NATO response.
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u/JohnLockeNJ May 20 '24
Unless the US first declares that the kidnapping of a U.S. official is an attack on the US and triggers NATO to support its military response to the Netherlands.
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u/Gryffindorcommoner May 21 '24
But… these aren’t US officials
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u/JohnLockeNJ May 21 '24
I was responding to what was written in this comment, not the OP
https://reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1cwf50q/_/l4wufxo/?context=1
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u/HikmetLeGuin May 20 '24
The US is definitely a rogue state. Abducting an Islamic preacher from the streets of Italy. Drone striking numerous countries. Invading Iraq. Supporting coups and torturing people in black sites. Funding dictatorships and war crimes.
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u/LiatKolink May 20 '24
This is why the ICC needs protection from rogue state actors. Not saying US is one.
I am. The US is a rogue state that consistently violates international law and gets away with it.
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u/twoanddone_9737 May 20 '24 edited May 20 '24
US is not a party, and what it really boils down to is that these rulings or arrest warrants are not really enforceable except through use of military force, and… well… good luck trying to get Spain or whoever to use military force when they’d up against the US and/or Israel.
Netanyahu will have his ability to travel to ICC treaty states restricted because they may try to arrest him if he’s on their soil, but that’s about it. It’s largely symbolic.
This is why the ICC itself has been criticized as a tool of western imperialism. Powerful states do not abide and no one can do anything about it, but they can also use it as a pretext for action against smaller and less powerful countries, and those consequences can in theory be very real. The same applies to “international law” as an overall concept - it’s only as real as the United States says it is, so on a Monday it might be a pretext for killing millions of people but on Tuesday it might as well not exist.
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u/judaman May 20 '24
It's a massive diplomatic blow. Netanyahu theoretically won't be able to travel to any country that is a part of icc without getting arrested.
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May 20 '24
Who will try to arrest him if he does ? Some leaders will have to grow some serious balls and a conscious to try it. He will be more vulnerable if he is voted out of power. Which makes it a bit scary because he will want to hold onto power even more.
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u/WombatusMighty May 20 '24
Everyone, because the consequences of not doing it would be far worse than arresting another state leader. It would not only destroy the reputation of said nation, which alone has severe economic and political consequences, it would also trigger a crisis of the international rule of law, which would massively bolster armed conflicts and dictatorships like Russia or China.
In contrast to that, the consequences of arresting an Israeli state leader are laughably small.
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u/JohnLockeNJ May 20 '24
Like the non-existent consequences the previous times ICC members didn’t bother to arrest?
It is regrettable that some states have been unwilling to support the court—notably in the execution of arrest warrants—when their friends and allies are concerned. For example, many African and Middle Eastern governments, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Jordan, Malawi, Nigeria, and South Africa, failed to arrest former Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir when he traveled to their countries.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/07/icc-arrest-warrant-israel-netanyahu-gaza/
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u/judaman May 20 '24
Well at least if that happens it solidifies that international politics is a joke, which has been proven true up till now. Let's see what happens, in the very least netanyahu is scared of it.
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u/Gryffindorcommoner May 21 '24
They’ll just do what Central America and South Africa did to Putin: simply not allow Bibi to come. Even when Hunguray and South Africa made minor grumbles about not respecting this decision, Putin never stepped foot in them and only met with Hungarian leaders in China. That way they won’t be forced in that position in the first place Plus, he’s not risking his freedom on other countries not having balls.
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u/Academic-County-6100 May 20 '24
I think it will be the.same as Putin. The biggest consequence is Bibi and the other lad will not be able to travel to any country signed up to it.
Also I am not sure if ICJ will move fast enough for the people of Palestine but if they get convicted of genecoide it becomes a country lead by war criminals and a country that officially commits genocide. Maybe it means nothing but it feels significant.
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u/Chogo82 May 20 '24
The ICC prosecution staff was supposed to get on a plane to go to Israel this morning but decided not to last minute. There's been too many convenient plans crashes lately.
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u/ace_urban May 20 '24
You just said the quiet part out loud. Is your country evil because of your shitty politicians? Sounds like straight up bigotry to me.
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u/GordonS333 May 20 '24
Hmm, the Iranian president just died, very possibly assassinated. I wonder if the US could have done it, in the hope than Iran would eye-for-an-eye Netanyahu 🤔 That would be a rather convenient way for them to sweep this whole thing under the rug, while also potentially stirring up a regional war - which at least Israel certainly wants.
Just some musings.
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u/Quarterwit_85 May 20 '24
Yes, rather than an ancient airframe colliding with a mountain in 5 meter visibility it was absolutely an assasination attempt.
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u/masculinesauce May 20 '24
OMG am I dreaming??? Finally an institution that's not corrupt. Plz someone wake me up.
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u/notyourbrobro10 May 20 '24
I like that warrants were issued for Bibi and Sinwar so pro Israel people can't accuse them of bias or not condemning anything
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u/The4thJuliek May 20 '24
I mean, Biden has already called the request for the arrest of the evil white people 'outrageous'. He's totally okay with prosecuting the evil brown people.
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u/WestcoastAlex May 20 '24
keep in mind that in 2015 Palestine signed on to the ICC Treaty.. they have openly been inviting the investigation into both sides unlike the Genocidal Apartheid regime who consistently thumbs their nose at anything to do with the international legal community
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u/MontegoBoy May 20 '24
Israel bullhist checklist:
( ) Hamas tunnels under the ICC
( ) ICC guys are antisemites
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u/bobdylan401 May 20 '24
Oh my god, I did not believe it could happen. My brand new gaming pc might have just died but it's still a good day
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u/tuftedear May 20 '24
Bibi will no longer be able to visit any countries that are part of the ICC, a total of 124, without risking arrest.
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May 20 '24 edited May 20 '24
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May 20 '24
Lmao, imagine having this mentally when you are defending your own country from occupiers, tell that to Ukrainians, since they should also negotiate with Russia.
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u/Fatsausage May 20 '24
"War never solves anything"
"What about this war?"
"No that one's different"
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May 20 '24
Oh Hur dur they are different? Damn peak mindset of Reddit.
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u/Iselvo May 21 '24
I won't dispute that any killing is abhorrent. But sometimes necessity outweighs our fragile moral constructs. The world indeed is a complex and even messy place.
I will however accede to your proposition that dialouge is the answer to most if not all problems.
Sempiternal peace is thy goal, as mine is to relax.
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u/EnemyOfLDP May 20 '24
Bibi learned much from Japanese politicians' practice.
ICC should also target Japanese right-wing politicians and Japanese businesses who manipulate the politicians.
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u/noelee65 May 20 '24
Saddam disputed the jurisdiction of the ICC , they still hung him,
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u/Odd_Economics_9962 May 21 '24
Didn't he get tried by his own people, and the hanging ordered by the new prime Minister of Iraq?
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u/gymbaggered May 20 '24
Biden says ICC move on arrest warrants for Israeli leaders "outrageous"
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u/Suspicious_War_9305 May 20 '24
This holds the same weight as that town in California voting for a cease fire.
It literally means nothing.
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u/assassinsaif18 May 21 '24
Stupid question here... so the warrant is out... who is gonna arrest him?? Does ICC have their own police force or one of the country will volunteer to go and do this task like LOTR fellowship other countries join in on the arrests???
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u/FleetwoodMacbookPro May 21 '24
it’s about time. I don’t care if this is symbolic. Netanyahu and his pychopath cabinet are pure evil.
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May 20 '24
Huh? Why the resistance leader? That makes no sense.
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u/brightfoot May 20 '24
Because the kidnapping and murder of civilian hostages is also a crime? Notice I said Also. I'd love nothing more than to see Bibi in a fucking jumpsuit.
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u/Usernameoverloaded May 20 '24
Murder would have to be proven apart from the hostage taking. If they died from Israeli bombings or lack of food / medical care, then that would implicate Israel too.
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u/Kilanove May 20 '24
Tell that in a straight face to the people of the west bank, for decades the occupation are committing the same shit to this very day, but a non-western imperial group does it, we don't gave them free passes.
it is south Africa all over again but with genocide and ethnic cleansing
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May 20 '24
Hamas did nothing wrong hey
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May 20 '24
Absolutely correct. They fought back. Hamas is the resistance.
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u/Large-Measurement776 May 21 '24
They slaughtered civillians. That's the most despicable act anyone could fuckkng do!
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May 21 '24
You are correct as well, Israel has been slaughtering civilians since 1948. Wow. Glad you guys agree with me. You've probably watched the Tantura massacre documentary as well.
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u/LarryRedBeard May 20 '24 edited May 20 '24
These assholes love to take their sweet fucking time. MONTHS APON MONTHS APON MONTHS of fucking around. Tiptoeing. It's why Hitler got out of control. We could have stopped him in Poland, but no.
ICC/UN/EU are useless organizations USLESS>
Edit: The countries that make up these organizations were around before WW2. Didn't do fucking anything until it was past dire. Now they are doing the EXACT SAME SHIT. These fellas will lead us into a war, because of how weak they are. Unwilling to use power they have for the right things, instead "High Minded Rhetoric. with useless gestures."
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u/mkbilli May 20 '24
The UN, EU and ICC were all made after WW2?
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u/LarryRedBeard May 20 '24
Right, but the countries that made those groups were around. Doing nothing but sitting on there ass. Now that's what's happening again.
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u/mkbilli May 20 '24
The UN was made specifically to stop knee jerk reactions. And yes what you want is a world police, no one likes a world police (looking at you America) if they are biased.
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u/macellan May 20 '24
UN is useless because a handful of countries has the right to veto whatever international consensus is.
I am going to quote a leader I despise, who is unfortunately my president. Though, he is right on this one.
The world is bigger than five
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u/Indocede May 20 '24
Well sorry, but that's how these things work. It is unfortunate, but it is necessary. This is how actual investigation works. Would you rather these organizations be like the criminals you detest who investigate the issue with the least amount of effort so they can conclude nothing was done wrong? Or would you rather them have an exhaustive investigation that has widely documented the issue?
In actuality, the organizations are not useless because they deliberate and go about doing their jobs correctly. We do not need anymore angry people who only want things done out of impulse and not reason. Why do you think some people can delude themselves that bombing most of Gaza is "necessary" to fight the terrorists? Because all they do is act on emotion. They don't stop to think.
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May 20 '24
1- Resistance isn't terrorism 2- Almost a year long of carpet bombing, and many civilians are dead, and a lot more are injured and amputated or missing under the rubble, what's left of Palestine is gone now. 3- 2 million people are displaced. Please use your head next time you try to sound smart.
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u/Indocede May 20 '24
Did you mean to reply to someone else, or did you fail to understand what I was saying -- the very example of acting on emotion without stopping to think?
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May 20 '24
Are you sure I'm the one who's misunderstanding?
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u/tapilicious2806 May 20 '24
This somehow looks fake..
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u/Large-Measurement776 May 21 '24
Oh yeah, totes fake. You got it! You saw through the ruse! Congratulations!
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