r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • May 08 '24
Opinion/Analysis Biden showing Netanyahu ‘he’s serious’ with weapons transfer ‘pause’: Analyst
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u/allen_idaho May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Israel is currently in violation of the Leahy laws of the Foreign Assistance Act. Under Federal law, we can no longer provide them any military aid if credible evidence exists that they committed human rights abuses.
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u/Crypto-Arab May 08 '24
That's probably why the Biden administration put a pause on the report. They don't want to face the truth of what's going on in gaza
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u/China_Lover2 May 08 '24
He fucking backed out on placing sanctions on an IDF unit known for committing the worst crimes. Biden is a loser and a puppet.
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u/HippoRun23 May 08 '24
I held my nose and voted for him last time.
Rest assured I won’t be adding my vote to his total this time. Fuck genocide joe.
I’m in a solid blue state so it won’t matter, I guess, but he doesn’t get to add me to his popular vote total.
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u/ThrowawayAudio1 May 09 '24
Israel is entirely an extension of the U S A, it has nothing to do with Biden. It's a military outpost designed as a military base in that region. Why do you think the US pours so much money into it? Genocide Joe? Genocide USA. Look into things a little deeper. Obama and Trump are also part of the genocide
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u/celestialhopper May 09 '24
The reds aren't any better. Vote 3rd party to end this false dichotomy.
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u/amintowords May 09 '24
This really is the only solution. Even if they don't get in this year, if they get enough votes more people will vote for them next election and it will force politicians to actually give a damn what people want.
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May 08 '24
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u/Xylimare May 09 '24
Such a defeatist attitude. “It won’t change so might as well not try”
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May 09 '24
It won't change this cycle, because the die has already been cast. But hopefully younger voters continue with their current values and are able to press for future change as they enter leadership positions and become a more significant voting demographic.
Remember to vote in the primaries, folks. I voted for Sanders in 2016 and 2020 primaries.
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u/Crazyjay555 May 09 '24
Shit is so fucked that the the only choice is trump or Biden...
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u/Shoddy_Comment_7008 May 09 '24
Well I hate to tell you it has been that way for a long time. It used to be a vote for the lesser of two evils. Now it is about voting for good over evil.
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u/couldhaveebeen May 09 '24
"Literal genocide" is supposed to be the "good" in that equation?
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u/RobertKingBone May 10 '24
Both sides are genocidal maniacs. Trump would be even worse for The People.
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u/No_Motor_6941 May 09 '24
Lesser evilism is bankrupt as the right and left of the ruling class degenerate together. You're describing systemic problems with the state then paradoxically arguing we should tie ourselves to its divisions when we need alternatives. The right has been succeeding in pushing them.
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u/ThrowawayAudio1 May 09 '24
So is every American president, they all do as they're told and give arms.to Israel. Wake up
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u/Far_Silver May 09 '24
Reagan, vile though he was about everything else, stood up to them when when they bombed and invaded Lebanon. Eisenhower strong-armed them into withdrawing from the Sinai. Bush (Sr) threatened their credit.
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May 09 '24
Biden is WORSE than a loser and a puppet, he actively WANTS Israel to continue it's genocidal onslaught.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
Nasty
Keep voting the same
Keep getting the same
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May 08 '24
Oh so do tell. Who will make it all better? If I see the name Trump I’ll immediately write you off as a party loyalist. It’s time to get real about the state of politics in the US. Neither party is looking out for our best interest.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
I prefer RFK more than both...from what ive heard on long format interviews rather than BS msm narrative
Id like to see all politicans do long format no BS intwrviews...i enjoy bernie sanders doing that a few years ago....most voters too lazy to do that effort tho amd just believe slogans and what msm brands them as
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u/Justhereforstuff123 United States May 08 '24
Respectfully, RFK is a zionist. I would suggest looking into at least Green party or my preference, the PSL's Claudia & Karina. Two socialist antizionists! Have a good one 😊
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May 08 '24
Okay yea that’s an acceptable response lol. I was looking into RFK a bit but was discouraged by his VP pick. I agree though and if you watch MSM you can see why. It’s great propaganda. My parents LOVE MSM and consequently they are TRULY patriotic… meanwhile neither of them can retire in their old age and not looking much better on the horizon. The older generation were and still are more easily manipulated.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
Yeah bc they trusted institutions more...its kinda sad that we dont, but all news have a big bias these days. RFK doing worse amongst boomers for that reason id say...they believe the msm narrative more than listen to the guy and decide if they like his ideas or not
Alot of people are stuck in their ways...so we get what we get
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May 08 '24
Yea I’m ready to just throw my fate in the wind TBH. It may sound childish but I’m done believing in things that don’t actually help anyone but a select few groups. I’ll vote Jill Stein because she actually believed in something enough to be arrested. None of our politicians have the balls to show up to a protest and practice what they preach. Good luck to you.
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u/zack2996 May 08 '24
Welp its biden or the Christo fascists dooms day cult soooo more of same I guess
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u/Oregongirl1018 May 08 '24
Bernie Sanders is looking pretty good to me.
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u/meeseeksdestroy May 08 '24
Agreed. He is the president we fucking need more than anything but he got pushed out before and he would get pushed out again. It's a shame this us where our country is at.
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u/zack2996 May 08 '24
Is he running?
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
RFK more appealing than both of the others
Challenges too many people to think differently tho...so more of yhe same it is!
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u/zack2996 May 08 '24
The anti vaxx shit really loses me and I'm pretty sure he also supports Israel
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
He aint anti vaxx....just typical msm discrediting BS...listen to a couple long form interviews on podcasts amd hes way smarter and direct tham the other two ...but most people wont but that effort in, or dont what their ideas challenged
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u/zack2996 May 08 '24
Fair enough haven't looked into it much just what I see on reddit about him. Do you think he's a viable candidate or am I going to be throwing away my vote because I'm no biden Stan but he even with all the Israel shit still has the best shot I've seen of beating trump.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
I value intelligence, being able to think for yaself and being brave to disrupt the system rather than please big corporations more than slogans and same ol BS....will be too challenging for some tho i imagine
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u/zack2996 May 08 '24
That's my main concern any other election I'd be ok with voting 3rd party but I just had a baby and I really can't risk my vote being wasted and my daughter loosing more rights because of trump. If Kennedy was running for governor or senator for my state I'd definitely be throwing him my vote if he aligned with my values(tbd)
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
Freedoms and more anti war than the others and breaking up or at least more transperency of big organisations
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u/10YearAccount May 09 '24
An alt right Russian stooge? Why not just go for Trump? He had the same politics as RFK but he's a proven commodity who didn't destroy the country during his first term. Despite his efforts.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 09 '24
Bc i listen to long format interviews rather than media soundbites ...most people wont tho, it too challenging to think differently for some, easier to complain but change nothing
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u/10YearAccount May 09 '24
Listening to Joe Rogan isn't the flex you think it is.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 09 '24
Who said anything about that?
I prefer long form interviews, others like sound bites and labels from msm...each their own
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u/10YearAccount May 09 '24
I prefer actual research myself. Never quit after my PhD. Have fun letting YouTube and Rogan formulate your beliefs I suppose.
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u/Prufrock_Lives May 08 '24
Biden just killed the report that wouldve shown that evidence. Guess we can keep on sending those bombs
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u/moyismoy May 08 '24
I'm not saying your wrong, but I thought they were going to do it anyways. Honestly pleasantly surprised by his decision.
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u/resistance-futile May 08 '24
The terrorist territory of Israel has no moral standing in the civilized world. All countries need to unrecognize them as a country.
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u/POOTY-POOTS May 08 '24
Its a moral imperative of humanity that Israel be dissolved and destroyed the same way Apartheid South Africa was, and if need be how Nazi Germany was.
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u/LionXDokkaebi May 08 '24
Weirdly enough both South Africa and Germany still exists 😵💫
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u/celestialhopper May 09 '24
Not in the form that was abolished. And prior to them becoming assholes countries they existed and they were returned to their pre-asshole state. Israel never existed. It was created by assholes, for assholes to do asshole things. We should return the land to its pre-asshole state... which is Palestine.
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u/POOTY-POOTS May 09 '24
They absolutely do not in the form of Nazi Germany or Afrikaner SA. Likewise with Rhodesia.
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u/MeSortOfUnleashed May 09 '24
Thinking like this doesn't bring the world any closer to peace. Sure, pressure Israel on several points, but get real about what the balanced list of preconditions are to peace in the region. The truth is that peace will require the Israelis and their allies and the Palestinians and their allies to make real sacrifices.
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u/10YearAccount May 09 '24
"Peace will require both Hitler and the Jews to make real sacrifices."
"Surely the sheep can compromise with the wolf? It's just not realistic that they flee and let him go hungry."
"The Borgs and humans must compromise. Perhaps half of them should be assimilated?"
"Yes I'm an enlightened centrist! How could you tell?"
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u/MeSortOfUnleashed May 09 '24
I was responding to "Its [sic] a moral imperative of humanity that Israel be dissolved and destroyed..."
Again, if you think trying to dissolve and destroy Israel will save Palestinian lives, you are delusional. But, sure, go ahead being glib and flippant if that makes you feel better. Afterall, this is reddit.
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u/State_L3ss May 08 '24
I'll believe it when I see it. So far I have absolutely no reason to believe that Genocide Joe wants to curtail civilian casualties, his AIPAC and military industry donors need those billions of taxpayer dollars, and his bbf Naziyahoo needs that land to settle more of his theofascist state.
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u/amir86149 May 08 '24
I prefer Butcher Biden.
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May 09 '24
I too prefer this. Butcher Biden. It's also takes the piss out of people trying to argue "well actually it's not a genocide."
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u/ThrowawayAudio1 May 10 '24
Israel is an American base. It's not about Republican or Democrat... Are you fucking dumb?
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u/ThrowawayAudio1 May 10 '24
The USA has been funding Israel since before Joe Biden, it's ridiculous to approach the issue in that manner
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u/Educational-Show1329 May 08 '24
So Trump is better for Gazans?
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u/State_L3ss May 08 '24
No establishment US official is good for Gazans. Fear mongering is for the right and not a great look, btw.
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u/Educational-Show1329 Jun 21 '24
Thats not what I asked, answer the question please. Don’t be a chicken running away, don’t respond with stupid open ended answers. You were asked a clear simple question “ Is Trump better then Biden for people in Gaza?”
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u/State_L3ss Jun 21 '24
Not at all. Baby Butcher Bibi loves Trump-birds of a feather and all.
There's no use for whataboutism, pal. By the time convicted felon would possibly start ruling, there would be no Gaza left. Genocide Joe enabled and cheered on the colonial project atrocities his whole career. Neither will get my vote.
Why is genocide-the mass murder of almost 20,000 kids acceptable to you?
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u/Educational-Show1329 Jun 21 '24
Your world view is so narrow and one dimensional. The world is a large complex place with lots of different people living different lives, with different problems and tragedies. There are other people and countries dealing with horrible conflicts. Your gonna fuck us “the world” because one issue? What have you done to help Gazans? Whine on reddit? Your gonna fuck the international democracy over this? You care about Palestine? Biden is your best chance right now. Grow up and be realistic we have more at stake then just Palestine. USA affects politics in most of the world maybe you haven’t noticed but right wing authoritarian governments are on the rise, stop with this don’t vote BS.
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u/State_L3ss Jun 21 '24
You blue maga cultists are so delusional. "I demand you pick this genocidal tyrant to sAvE dEmOcRaCy!" is antithetical to democracy. If our choices are evil or more palatable evil, then we've already lost. Your lazy, milquetoast lesser-evil ideology is what destroyed the country and allowed the democrats to move further right.
This is the same attitude that got Trump elected in '16. Get mad at your senile child-killer for throwing the mOsT iMpoRtAnT eLeCtiON oF oUr LiVeS!!!
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u/State_L3ss Jun 21 '24 edited Jun 21 '24
Also, this isn't the only issue;
I wouldn't hire an octogenarian to be a door greeter at Walmart, let alone the leader of the free world. He should be at home with his family, enjoying the plunder of his 50-year career in politics.
He's responsible for policies that locked up more people than anywhere else in the world, mostly targeting BIPOC.
I don't trust a hardcore Catholic to secure rights for LGBTQIA+ and women's healthcare.
I take issue with someone who accuses people who are disgusted with mass murder of being antisemitic or Russian/Chinese bots.
His policies as president so far have been mediocre. Cool, he got us infrastructure that's been neglected for over 50 years-along with a binch of other wasteful nonsense added in, he made insulin cheaper for only old people, and his student loan forgiveness package was set up to fail.
You never answered MY question. Why do you think the mass slaughter of apmost 20,000 children is acceptable?
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 08 '24
That’s not the point. Not everything is binary.
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 09 '24
How would voting for Biden, who is currently contributing to the genocide of the Palestinian people, be an option? Why would anyone be expected to do that? There are third party candidates to vote for.
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 09 '24
Orange man bad doesn’t make blue man good. Next you’re going to tell me that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump.
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 09 '24
😆🤪🥴…throwing away my vote. Maybe instead of voter shaming me, you should blame genocide Joe for not earning my vote.
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u/RobertKingBone May 10 '24
I’ve voted 3rd allot in the past. It’s never done shit to change either party.
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u/case1 May 08 '24
No this is like the "stern words in private" BS to placate the public while maintaining sales to Israel
It's lipservice for the populous to ensure votes on the fall and keep the middle classes under the impression he's trying
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u/speakhyroglyphically May 08 '24
May 8, 2024 - The US has paused a shipment of bombs to Israel - saying it has not addressed Washington's concerns about a major ground operation in Rafah.
The events in Rafah are unfolding as ceasefire negotiations - brokered by Qatar and Egypt - are being held in Cairo. Israel's Prime Minister says the proposal Hamas has agreed to, falls short of Israel's demands.
Hamas says if Israel's military aggression continues in Rafah, there will be no ceasefire deal. The senior spokesperson for Hamas, Osama Hamdan, says it's now up to Israel whether or not a deal goes through.
Al Jazeera's Mohammed Jamjoom has the latest from the Jordanian capital, Amman.
The reported decision by the Biden administration to pause a shipment of US weapons to Israel is a “very significant move”, according to Amir Oren, a journalist with the Haaretz newspaper. With the US saying it opposes a major Israeli assault on Rafah, which started on Tuesday, Oren told Al Jazeera that the reported move was an act of “deterrence” by the US.
“Biden had to show Netanyahu that he’s serious,” Oren said. When asked if the US move was purely symbolic given it would not prevent the Israeli assault on Rafah, Oren said, “No battle is the very last one.”
“[Israel] must replenish its stock in order to prepare for Lebanon for instance, or for another Iranian contingency,” he told Al Jazeera. “So [pausing weapons transfers] doesn’t have to do only with what is happening tomorrow, you must think about next week and next year.” The Biden administration has faced sharp criticism over its policy of arming Israel, which critics say violates US laws banning military aid and weapon sales to countries engaged in rights abuses.
Full video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSxveLYT8Dk
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u/Prufrock_Lives May 08 '24
The dark side of what Oren is saying here is that Israel is going to continue to provoke its neighbors to draw them into open war; the US would respond with troops on the ground. Netanyahu delays his upcoming fraud trial further, and no more mild chiding from Biden
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u/notyourbrobro10 May 08 '24
Biden is probably going to be looked at for a breach or trust or violation of oath as a result of his support for Israel. Breaking US law in service of a foreign nation is pretty bad under normal circumstances, but when you break US and International law to facilitate the slaughter of children, well, that's a special place in hell.
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u/Affectionate_Fly1413 May 08 '24
But also , didn't he just bury a report on their actions in gaza?
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u/FactsOverFeelingssss May 08 '24
Oh… now Biden is “serious?”
After the entire region has been flattened, schools, hospitals, infrastructure destroyed, 33,000 killed, remaining residents expelled… and there is a ceasefire actually on the table.
Now, Biden is serious. GTFOH.
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u/ThrowawayAudio1 May 10 '24
What has Biden got to do with this? He's just another man told what to do.. this shit goes back a hundred fucking years. Biden is a piece of shit but did you see Clinton or Obama standing up for Palestine?
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u/FactsOverFeelingssss May 10 '24
Biden has the power to stop sending arms to Israel, he is also Commander and Chief with power to threaten Israel with sanctions or military power.
Biden has been a shill for Israel for decades, so not surprising that he hasn’t stepped up, but that still makes him complicit.
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u/AhSawDood May 08 '24
"Alright buddy, after 200 days of support we will stop giving you this amount of bombs (but low-key we approved a massive sale of weapons for you later) and please vote for me now :)"
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u/l3wison May 08 '24
Bibi looking like death warmed up.
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u/Sofialovesmonkeys May 08 '24
It feels like Biden is sucking the life out of everyone 💀everyone else has aged 10 years 😂
I wonder whens the last time Bibi was this skinny😭
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u/ThornsofTristan May 08 '24
Media-speak Entry#179
"Paused a shipment" = "We'll double up on the next shipment, after a pause. To show we mean business." See Empty Words
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u/ppmax008 May 08 '24
Guess what, the Israel military themselves said captives were no longer the main issue, they just keep pursuit their genocide plan for their own greed.
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u/80sLegoDystopia May 08 '24
Imagine thinking it’s cool to have 1,800 2,000-lb bombs. Some Sauron shit.
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u/youmeanNOOkyuhler May 08 '24
Oh that's just about nothing though. That is a small, small fraction of what we have, what we've already given, and what we surely WILL give. Seriously. This is a symbolic gesture at best that results in no safer circumstances for any Palestinian and is purely a bullshit tactic to try and get voters back on his side.
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u/TheBroken0ne May 08 '24
What fucking security?? Is this idiot for real??
This clown is oblivious to the fact that if the conflict is not solved at it's roots, there will be a hundred Hamas.
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May 08 '24
"Israel must kill ALL people, to secure its safety. If Israel is all that exists, we will finally be safe!"
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u/Practical_Meanin888 May 08 '24
Election points. After Biden wins, another $100 billion US tax payers money straight to Israel
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u/Thamalakane May 08 '24
It's not so much because of Gaza or the Palestinians' plight. This is done to placate the younger voters Biden will need in November.
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u/Jermz817 May 08 '24
Wellp, we're cooked. Israel is gonna go all scorched earth Solomon Option.... wow...
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u/Tazling May 09 '24
Johnny, if you don't stop killing the neighbours' pets I am seriously going to stop your allowance and not give you any more BB ammo. Of course I won't take away the ammo you already have, or your piggy bank, because that would be going too far.
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u/nomamesgueyz May 08 '24
US been supplying Israel with arms
Crazy to me Americans support this shit by keep voting in the same
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u/Universal_6 May 08 '24
The Evangelic Christians are deep inside the political system. They help keep Israel funded.
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u/Gates9 May 09 '24
Bullshit, virtue signaling, kabuki. There is a massive weapons store already located in Israel. The Israelis just go and take what they want like books from the library. Plus, as noted in the video, this shipment represents a minuscule amount compared to what we send them on a regular basis.
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u/Kafshak May 09 '24
Biden is in a lose lose situation. Nobody is going to support him in the next election.
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May 09 '24
tally gotliv just said they're going to war crime even more out of spite, 10 blocks insted of one she says
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u/Imaginary_Plane6058 May 09 '24
Wait so the same Hamas that has been launching rockets from the “safety” of the Gaza Strip and other locations at Israel for years killing women children and others is now saying getting bombed is not fair and Israel is childish?
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May 09 '24
How many civilians did Hamas rockets murder vs Israeli missiles?
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u/Imaginary_Plane6058 May 12 '24 edited May 12 '24
Well before this major conflict you see now Donald trump forced both sides to sign a treaty which forced Jerusalem to be handed over to the Israelites and Hamas then set up terrorist groups and supported and supplied them with the means to bomb Israel with rockets saying it “wasn’t Hamas” after Israel had been loosing women children men and others for months almost even a year they were over it and went on the offensive. That offensive is what you see now Hamas killing its own people for taking rations and not giving it to the anti jew cause, Israel can’t tell who is actually bad and who is not. People getting bombed now are a result of negligence(Palestinians basically not caring terrorist are/were there neighbors) and I don’t get why they feel so bad for the people being stagnant and doing anything to help other humans in the first place I’m not blaming the little children and innocent people, but they literally sat there and did nothing as Israel was losing their own innocent lives and wasting millions of dollars a year, defending their land from rockets using the iron Dome.
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May 12 '24
You did not answer my question. How many civilians did Israel kill vs Hamas?
You're doing lots of talking and not pulling up numbers. Don't beat around the bush.
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u/Imaginary_Plane6058 May 19 '24
My bad let me just go over and count all the innocent children’s grave and every civilians grave in Israel. Maybe while I’m over there the peace seeking Hamas terorist organization can rocket attack and kill more of the Israelites. You act like they keep a tally of how many people died on each side and by who. There is current Video of Hamas militants killing Palestinians for taking food sent there for aid, do you think they keep track of those?? One other thing is you can’t tell how the fuck someone died unless you see it or test for it, you act like this is the nazi Germany holocaust where they took all the names and gave them a number(they don’t do that they just use big bombs) and then they mark how they killed them on a little piece of paper and archived it.
All I know is at one point the Israelites would basically sit there and do nothing as they were bombed, now that tension is so high and treaties have been broken the Israelites are basically fed up with it. And they show that in force, hopefully one side or the other completely gets wiped out that way we can stop caring about it and stop waisting money on it.
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 08 '24
Oh yeah, you wanna enlighten us?
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u/Deep-Tank4440 May 09 '24
You’re full of shit dude. Non of what you said is based in reality. Biden has all the power to stop sending aid and weapons to Israel. He also has the power to call out Israel’s war crimes and their ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people. That is what we are asking him to do but we know that he will choose not to. Are you also a Zionist?
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u/Xylimare May 09 '24
We’re asking Biden to do the bare minimum. To not fund a genocide.
“Prevented the Rafah invasion”? Really because they invaded Rafah two days ago? Aid corridors? You mean the ones ISrael is blocking, has been blocking and continues to block?
There are American special forces on the ground in Israel.
You are literally lying about everything. Nothing you have said is correct. Biden has done NOTHING to reign in Israel.
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u/HAHA_goats May 09 '24
There have been reports for weeks that Biden has stepped in and almost single handily prevented the Rafah Invasion.
Well, that's a fail. Israel is invading right now. We already have videos of civilians killed and maimed in Rafah by Israel. Why is Biden such a fuckup?
He also has hounded on Netanyahu to open more aid corridors and to take the ceasefire talks more seriously.
Also a fail. Famine is all over Gaza right now, and Israel just shut down the one somewhat functional aid corridor. Why is Biden such a fuckup?
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