Nah, Israel doesn't own the US. Israel is just a cog in the US war machine, effectively our largest military base in the region, and helps the US spy on the world and our own citizens. That's why we'll just let them do whatever the hell, especially when - and let's be real here - what Israel is currently doing is not all that far removed from US foreign policy in general. Our "war on terror" killed potentially up to a million Iraqi civilians.
America may not have invented racism and genocide, but few things are more American then them.
To be clear this applies to America's government and leadership. I think it is quite clear the American people largely do not support this shit, at least not in this day and age.
Israeli and United States power players/officials. Flip flop or concurrently hold powerful positions in their respective govts or corporations
If you look just a little, its appaling it is not addressed at all. To be fair US officials do the same w pharm and military contractors extremely frequently
The problem here is assuming that Israel holds sway over the US and is acting outside of US interests while we do nothing, rather than the US posturing that we're not overly happy with how things are going despite doing nothing to stop it.
Yes, AIPAC money is a huge issue in our government. But the current dynamic goes far beyond that. Israel is not some shadowy country with America around its little finger. Israel is doing what the US government wants it to do.
I fully believe that western powers, embarrassed by the situation they created in the region, are just letting Israel "rip off the bandaid" as far as they are concerned. Just get the genocide done, take Palestine over, and be done with it rather than have to address the colonial genocide currently going on, the apartheid, and the reality that Israel as an ethno state just simply shouldn't exist. Palestine and Israel should simply be one, truly democratic country inhabited by Jews and Arabs alike with equal rights for all.
A two state solution is just a request to return to this barbaric status quo of occupation.
In the US, Israeli lobbying groups don’t have to do anything underhanded. AIPAC just pours millions into elections against politicians they deem not adequately pro-Israel. It’s legal for special interest groups here to heavily influence elections in all sorts of ways
Well except there’s also a generation gap with respect to Israel. An older Jewish person is much more likely to have a firm stance about Israel for a few reasons. The two big ones in my opinion are relative recency of the Holocaust to old heads like Biden and Bernie and Chuck Schumer—the latter two grew up in Brooklyn around folks liberated from the camps—and the multi-decade lead Israeli propaganda has over the New Historians’ dismantling of the pervasive myths about the founding of Israel, which only came to prominence the last couple of decades.
So less of a concerted conspiracy and more of a generational thing
The Jews suffered through the holocaust yet they are blatantly committing genocide. Israeli officials have called all Palestinians animals and said they want to wipe them out., isn’t that ethnic cleansing?
I feel like the Jews/Israelis would be more sympathetic towards a much much less developed country but at the end of the day they don’t give a fuck about any of those people they just want the land
Not justifying, friend. Just explaining. And certainly not defending the murderous Likudniks or the ethnic cleansing of Gaza or Settler terrorism in the West Bank. Yigal Amir himself couldn’t run a more terroristic regime.
I don’t mean to come off like an asshole lol it just blows my mind how people blindly support the bullshit narrative of “Israel is just defending themselves”
It’s insane they’re doing this and we’re allowing it and also supporting it
Russia is doing the same thing to Ukraine and we jump to the rescue but because it’s Israel we sit on our hands
There are some legitimate complicating factors between the two, like the established sovereignty of Ukraine and the lack of any Ukrainian war crimes to kick that war off. So I do understand the existence of some mild pushback. But the parallels between Israel and Russia in their respective land wars are undeniable. Putin, for all his self-delusion and arrogance, sees this. And so he has been grandstanding about Gaza like he has ever given a shit about civilian casualties in any conflict. As if he doesn’t happily throw as many barely trained teenage Russian conscripts as he can at the Ukrainians like branches into a woodchipper, bomb Ukrainian cities, and look the other way while Wagner mercenaries rape and mass execute Ukrainian civilians. Sides of the same coin, Putin and Bibi.
Both need to be brought up on war crimes but unfortunately that will probably never happen. Especially not with bibi he has too much influence in the White House.. Biden probably doesn’t even understand what’s going on over there and thinks they’re still just barking back and forth.
I think while Israel is doing what it’s doing we should cut all funding to them. Let them fight their own war and see how it goes for them. I feel like they’re the smart manipulative nerd and we’re the brawny idiots protecting him
Putin Is stuck in the past he think Russia is really like it used to be and he’s the new Stalin. I do respect that he’s a strong leader but he goes overboard too much to trust
There's legitimate criticisms of Israel to be made and that should be made but that doesn't mean we should throw in antisemitic comments. It hurts our cause more than anything else
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u/FuckStompIsGay Apr 29 '24
You mean the United States of Israel is a colony of Israel