r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Apr 24 '24
International China accuses the US of fanning the flames of war and shifting the blame to others
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u/speakhyroglyphically Apr 24 '24
Apr 23, 2024 - In a statement Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin accused the US of acting irresponsibly making accusations over normal trade and economic exchange between China and Russia while passing a bill providing a large amout of military aid for Ukraine.
Saying China has worked actively to promote talks for peace and a political settlement in the conflict and stressing that China is neither the creator of the Ukraine crisis or a party to it, the Minister said theyre not the ones "fanning the flames of war" like that or seeking selfish goals and will not accept being a scapegoat.
He also said all parties involved should work for "an effective and sustainable European security architecture through dialogue and negotiation as the right way forward."
(Just FTR: Im not posting this as propaganda but for general discussion)
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u/SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP Apr 25 '24
Correct if I'm wrong, but is China selling arms to Russia or not?
Objective seems a bit disingenuous.
Selling weapons and tech to Ukr is hardly provoking anything other than Russian bodies and hindering Putin ambitions.
Its not US is threatening troops on the ground or some sort of escalation.
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u/mkbilli Apr 25 '24
We can literally switch the countries and make a statement for the other side.
What a non comment.
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u/ExtraMeat86 Apr 28 '24
Looks like this is some sort of Chinese proporganda thread. China is dirty af in this war. They want russia to take over ukraine and this dude speaking is 100% lying and disingenuous. Do your best to not but any Chinese products.
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u/tuftedear Apr 24 '24
Glad to see other countries finally calling the US out on it's constant BS.
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u/AstronautReal3476 Apr 25 '24
What gives us the right to tell the world what they can and cannot do?
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u/Generatoromeganebula Apr 25 '24
Nuke money and a really powerful and advanced military. That's what we non Americans think give's USA the right to tell the world what they can and cannot do.
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u/AstronautReal3476 Apr 25 '24
Ah yes.
A country refuses to sit and obey America like a whipped dog, therefore America will nuke and kill millions upon millions of people.
For resisting.
And Americans wonder why Letter to America was seen as justified during its recirculation in 2022. For this very reason.
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u/Pure_Ignorance Apr 25 '24
The US is in charge, so they call the shots. It's when it gets dressed up as defending human rights and protecting the free world that it pisses me off.
Like, sure, be an imperialist state and try to control the world if you want (I mean, someone always will, right?) but don't bullshit me and say you're a good guy.
Having a massive empire run the world is just a fact of life. Having that empire bring the world to its knees to hang onto that power is something we can do without.
I can accept that there will always be organised crime, but if the mafia tries to warn me about how the triads are ruthless criminals, it's not because the mafia wants to help me.
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u/Old_Heat3100 Apr 25 '24
The BS of helping a country that's being invaded?
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u/Morundar Apr 25 '24
Careful here, i'm guessing there might be quite a bit of bots here. After all, gotta fly the Chinese flag high.
You gotta fucking love the approach of "only by accomodating the legitimate security concerns of all parties". That's the dumbest fucking thing. Russia had legitimate security concerns? Like it had with Georgia? Like it had with Crimea? Like it has with Ukraine?
It's clearly not about some security concerns, Ukraine got invaded because it got too pro-EU and not pro-Russian. EU isn't NATO, but that's what the Russian propagandist are trying to say... that it was Russia preemptively defending its borders. No, it was cause Ukraine was moving towards Europe and away from Putler's grasp.
Anyway, fuck the guy in the video.
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u/Ok_Contribution1680 Apr 25 '24
There's no need to seek justice or fairness in the world politics. Everything is decided by power, including military and economics.
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Apr 25 '24
Hardly. if you want to go by that logic, the US should approve as many arms sales as they want to Taiwan. After all, they're just "normal trade and economic exchanges between Taiwan and the US."
Although even that analogy falls short because Taiwan's just doing its thing and hasn't invaded mainland China.
Russia instigated a completely unnecessary war, and China is supplying them with weapons. It is what it is.
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u/Backseatwhiskey Apr 25 '24
Ah yes, we should let a country just invade, rape, murder, deport children, etc..
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u/IMendicantBias Apr 24 '24
Thats how western propaganda works. Always find some nebulous reasoning to blame china and russia while being completely ignorant of US instigation or interference in any manner. Then if such is revealed insist it must be for a good reason otherwise america wouldn't be doing it. I am beyond amazed at the double speak from americans about russia breaking "international law" from the country which invaded iraq against the intelligence of the entire global community screaming there were ZERO " WMD".
Did bush go to jail for that ? no
Was the admin ever held accountable ? no
Were the people who supported such war forced to resign from office ? no
So there is ZERO basis for americans to be runnin their mouth about following laws when america consistently ignores anything that doesn't grossly put it in a position of power.
To say this is never considered critical thinking or holding the state accountable. You'll just get called a shill if not every other label under the sun in addition to how " stupid " you are for such insight. People have been reduced to organic bots of a failed political system
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u/introv_ Apr 25 '24
USA has always been stained with blood, they can try everything to erase their bloody history;
No one will forget about their true colors and their ways to destroy others...
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u/lazypenguin86 Apr 25 '24
I mean America was built upon the blood of others, we have been in a major war at least every 20 years since we invented our country. Fighting, killing and taking over is litterally all we are about. But everyone has a brutal past somewhere in their history, we're all just violent murder apes. Hell its why we are the dominant species we killed off all the other hominids.
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u/Lammy101 Apr 24 '24
Watched a doc about the creation of ISIL tonight from 2017 and how America created the myth of ISIL and turned it from a local resistance to occupation to one of global sectarian hate, amazing what we let them get away with in Iraq
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u/Discussion-is-good Apr 25 '24
I am beyond amazed at the double speak from americans about russia breaking "international law" from the country which invaded iraq against the intelligence of the entire global community screaming there were ZERO " WMD".
This is what it's like to think all "Americans" are a single person.
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u/InternationalPoet514 Apr 25 '24
Well said and I am American
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u/Discussion-is-good Apr 25 '24
Do you think the same people who supported Iraq are the ones supporting Ukraine?
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u/KingApologist Apr 25 '24
Do you think the same people who supported Iraq are the ones supporting Ukraine?
At least from the standpoint of people who actually hold the purse strings and write the laws, the answer is overwhelmingly "yes". Just compare the members of congress who voted for the AUMF of 2001 and for the Iraq War who are still in congress; almost all of them voted exactly the same way on Ukraine and Israel.
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u/Morundar Apr 25 '24
Stop driving attention away from the Ukraine situation. Russian INVADED another country. Russia's "security concerns" were a made-up joke. China is militarily supporting a country that INVADED another country.
USA is shit with this imperials idealisations and fucked up actions. But this doesn't lessen the fact that CHINA IS MILITARILY SUPPORTING A COUNTRY THAT ILLEGALLY INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY
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u/justcallmeaman Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
What do u think about the US supporting ISRAEL then? and a pro-palestinian person making the same argument u made above?
Do you think the US is aiding UKRAINE because they genuinely care about their border integrity and democracy? Or are they using UKRAINE as a proxy battleground for war with Russia?
Do u think ur morally consistent in this geopolitical game these countries are playing?
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u/Morundar Apr 26 '24
US supporting Israel. It's a lot more complicated situation than the Ukraine-Russia war.
I think what the Israel is doing is basically genocide. So I don't support Israeli government nor providing resources for that "endeavour", at the same time, I understand that Hamas and Hezbollah are quite literally terrorist organizations and are a direct and constant threat to Israeli people. In that context there are assholes on both sides and I actually think that the Zionist mentality people in Israel are the actual fuckers here. As with Russian-Ukraine war I don't dislike nor blame all the russian civilians, the same goes for Israel-Gaza thing. I think Israeli government are a bunch of twats, I think Zionist movement is racist and genocidal and I think Hamas is a terrorist organization.
I support giving aid to Palestinian people and defensive capabilities to Israel.
U.S's reasons for supporting Ukraine. No surefire idea. I think the combination or wanting to screw over russians and democracy vs. autocracy
So, yes. I'm morally consistent
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u/Ok_Contribution1680 Apr 25 '24
Not necessarily disagree with you, but even U.S. is not claiming China sends military aids to Russia. At most U.S. is saying China is doing business with Russia and this business might help Russian military. This is a big difference.
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u/Significant-Salt-989 Apr 24 '24
And the Chinese are 100% correct.
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u/cheeruphumanity Apr 24 '24
50%
Ukraine is being invaded and has every right to defend itself. He frames it as "they just need to talk with each other to solve this".
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u/BeefShampoo Apr 25 '24
He frames it as "they just need to talk with each other to solve this".
That's correct though. We've been trying to explain this for years and all its been is a human meat grinder for two years with no change in battle lines. Giving more weapons won't make Ukraine win, it will just make the MIC more money. You can have a negotiated settlement, or you can have more dead Ukrainians, which would you prefer?
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u/The_Xicht Apr 25 '24
A negotiated settlement would not exclude more dead ukranians. It would just push their deaths about a decade down the line. Russia has to be stopped in their tracks, not given time to regenerate. History and russian rhetoric are very clear on what will happen. Appeasement has never worked. I am shocked that people in this sub just seem to be able to ignore these facts. Also, the US MIC did not initiate this conflict by a long shot. The fact that it now capitalizes on it does by no means insinuate that. Correlation =/= causation.
Edit: I didn't see that I was answering the same comment, my bad.
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u/The_Xicht Apr 25 '24
A negotiated settlement will just give Russia a breathing pause and they will continue thei conquest a decade down the line. People in this sub really seem to lack an understanding of the Russian state. Peace talks and diplomacy was what has been happening the 20 years prior to this war, to no avail. Russia started this war without any provocation, the american MIC did not initiate it. That they may capitalize on it now is a completely different story.
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u/Trotter823 Apr 25 '24
Simply talk doesn’t work if one side refuses to negotiate reasonable terms. Why should Ukraine give up land because Russia wants it? And what stop Russia from invading again next year to bite off another chunk?
From the Ukrainian perspective, Russian treaties can’t be trusted anyway. They’ve already been burned multiple times by talking with Russia.
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u/DietBloodbath Apr 25 '24
Russia had an agreement w Zelensky then Boris Johnson went to Turkey and convinced Zelensky to stay in war with false promise to join NATO
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u/Rumpleforeskin_0 Apr 25 '24
Exactly, peace deals were in motion. The west wanted the war to continue.
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u/Elim-the-tailor Apr 25 '24
Or, perhaps Ukraine just didn’t want to sign away 15% of their territory? And how much sway do we think Johnson actually had with Zelensky?
I get that there are some advantageous aspects of the war in that we’re able to weaken a rival indirectly without incurring casualties ourselves (which has generally been the biggest sticking point with our electorates in previous western military engagements in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam etc).
But the cons of the conflict far outweigh those in terms of sheer cost, risk of it spreading or triggering a nuclear war etc. Western governments are (reluctantly) supportive of Ukraine in the war but would rather not have to…
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u/levi_Kazama209 Apr 25 '24
Evrey peace tslk that Russia has been involved with Ukraine is still demanding the same thing anexstion of their land anf arrssting of Ukraines goverment. Russia has not witheld any of their demands from day 1
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u/slinkhussle Apr 25 '24
That was because Ukraine was able to take back much of the Ukrainian land Russia had conquered.
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u/gaylordJakob Apr 25 '24
Simply talk doesn’t work if one side refuses to negotiate reasonable terms
Ukraine should have negotiated a peace deal in the first few months when Western sanctions had just Russia and Ukraine held a surprisingly good defensive. That was the best leverage they ever had. The West told them not to. The West told them to keep going.
Why should Ukraine give up land because Russia wants it?
An easier negotiating point would have been to allow a free vote for remaining in Ukraine, joining Russia, or being independent. Ukraine flat out refused because the West whispered in their ear that they'll get full control over all of it and even get Crimea back.
And what stop Russia from invading again next year to bite off another chunk?
If they had have ended the war quickly, it would have been a bigger deterrent and part of the compromise could have been EU but not NATO membership, which also has a defence pact aspect to it (Russia is still willing to 'let' Ukraine join the EU). However, because the West urged Ukrained to keep going, Russia has massively transformed its economy to be near sanction proof and heavily rely on its own military industrial complex to sustain itself, making further conflicts more likely.
The West made Russia more dangerous with their actions and have been sacrificing Ukrainian lives for the sake of the profit margins for Western military manufacturers. It's disgusting. And China is absolutely correct to highlight the US hypocrisy and fanning the flames of war.
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u/BeefShampoo Apr 25 '24
And what stop Russia from invading again next year to bite off another chunk?
The same reason the US didn't invade Syria and Iran after Iraq. You don't follow up a war that went disastrously with another one. This is an insane argument liberals keep trying to use.
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u/Swedenbad_DkBASED Apr 25 '24
Donbass “republics” is Ukraine. Ukraine did not let them separate, so it really doesn’t matter how they feel.
Read up on international law
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u/Swedenbad_DkBASED Apr 25 '24
Only countries can give up sovereignty over areas within them according to international law.
Do you want a world where the powerful just annex what they want?
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u/Swedenbad_DkBASED Apr 25 '24
Oh so it’s liberation that’s going on?
Like Europeans liberated the natives in America?
It’s funny Russia wants to play it like they were liberated and it’s the will of the people bla bla bla. Maybe let observers oversee elections if legitimacy is what you’re looking for.
You are not anti imperialist, you just want a new great empire to overtake another empire.
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u/xFreedi Apr 25 '24
Giving more weapons won't make Ukraine win,
No, but I'll make Russia win. Same with negotiations. Russia made clear there is no diplomatic solution without Russia changing their stance.
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u/spotless1997 United States Apr 25 '24
Yeah this. He’s absolutely right that the U.S. shifting the blame to China for trading with Russia is ridiculous. China, and any other nation state, has the right to pursue trade within their interests. I’m glad China is powerful enough to not have to capitulate to U.S. pressure.
At the same time, Ukraine has the right to defend itself. Ideally, a diplomatic solution would form but Russia’s demands are frankly, ridiculous. They have a horrible track record in keeping their promises and Ukraine won’t see peace until Russia firmly fucks off.
Unfortunately, Ukraine isn’t going to win this war. No amount of U.S. military support can beat a Russian war economy and the sheer numbers that Russia has. It’s very sad and I wish the Ukrainians the best.
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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 25 '24
Yeah, any settlement with Russia is absolutely worthless. They will just gather their troops and come again in a few years.
Russia's war economy is absolute trash, the US could easily intervene and stop Russia. Freaking Ukraine held them off for 2 years now. Russia only has 140 million people and their technology is absolutely outdated. The moment US intervenes Russia will withdraw. Russia is driving into battle in golf carts and motorbikes at this point. Russia is a shithole third world country with exactly 2 first world cities.
The greatest thing about Russia is its facade.
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u/cheeruphumanity Apr 25 '24
With enough external military support Ukraine will win this. Russia is inevitably running out of material. North Korea and Iran kept them going but this won't go on forever.
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u/Storm_blessed946 Apr 25 '24
Russia is not running out of material my friend. They have countless bodies, equipment, etc. and they’re constantly being replaced by new equipment. They still are a world super power… and they will most certainly win in the long run.
This isn’t about Ukraine holding out, this is about how long Russia and the US can stand off. As soon as the US stops producing for Ukraine, goodbye.
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u/Swedenbad_DkBASED Apr 25 '24
Russias demographics were fucked BEFORE the war. Imagine how bad it is now. Those dead soldiers won’t produce babies.
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Apr 25 '24
They can’t beat Russia. Russia is the biggest country in the world. They have a population of 250 MILLION. They have one of the biggest supplies of munitions and soldiers in the world. They have some of the biggest manufacturing capabilities in the world and access to a huge amount of natural resources like steel. Ukraine has a fraction of a fraction of those things. Russia can seige Ukraine for years slowly pushing farther and farther.
Even with foreign aid Ukraine does not have enough people or land. The US and UK brag on tv openly about how the aid goes back into their economy because it’s to buy American weapons and brag about how no American ‘s have died when thousands of Ukrainians have and even more have fled the country as refugees.
All conflict ends with negotiations no matter who is winning.
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u/Justhereforstuff123 United States Apr 25 '24
He frames it as "they just need to talk with each other to solve this".
This is how the Ukraine situation will pan out one way or the other, and it's just a matter of how Ukrainians need to die to get to that point.
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Apr 25 '24
They have a right to defend definitely and Russia is deeply wrong. But the west has blocked peace talks repeatedly which worsen the situation for Ukraine because at the end of the day all war ends with talk at some point.
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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 25 '24
What's the point of peace talks? Russia will just invade again a few years later.
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Apr 25 '24
The point of peace talks is peace. Otherwise what you just slowly keep bleeding out Ukraine until what? More years of endless death? They will run out of people faster than they will make a dent in Russia.
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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 25 '24
Oh, you seem to be pro Russia, got it.
Ukraine has this one try. If they give in now, they will permanently lose. Ukraine must fight until all of Ukraine is freed. Otherwise Ukraine will get eaten up by Russia over the next few decades.
But you seem to be pro Russian, so you wouldn't mind.
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Apr 25 '24
Literally not even remotely pro Russia lmao I just want Ukrainians to not die.
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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 26 '24
Russia resettles Ukrainians to Siberia, then settles Ukraine with Russians. Exact thing that happened in Crimea. Not much Ukraine without Ukrainians.
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Apr 26 '24
Not much Ukraine if hundreds of thousands are dead or refugees either. All war ends in peace talks.
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Apr 25 '24
No it's 100% right. "Right to defend" to what end? The whole point of defending is to force an armistice, and "talk to each other". So why not just skip ahead?
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u/No-Movie5856 Apr 25 '24
I'm still amazed by the amount of people that still believes that Ukraine did nothing wrong by almost doing an ethnic cleansing for 8 years straight.
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u/nova9001 Apr 25 '24
That's what America does. Without wars, they can't justify their military spending. Need to start a big war somewhere very once in awhile to funnel more money to the military contractors. Just look at the last hundred years, how many wars have US started.
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u/nobodyof Apr 25 '24
It needs to be clear that America here does not mean Americans. 95% of us have less than no say on what the gov decides to do
But yes, America's military spending would be laughable if it wasn't so outrageous and probably unnecessary
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u/nova9001 Apr 25 '24
More than 800b. Not including what they are handing to other countries for weapon purchases.
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u/Naked_Justice Apr 25 '24
“Need to start a war some where else”
Yea because America started the “special operations” in Ukraine. The only thing hypocritical about America supporting Ukraine and denouncing China for funding Russia is the fact we won’t do the same for the Palestinian genocide.
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u/nova9001 Apr 26 '24
Yea because America started the “special operations” in Ukraine.
Expanding NATO and pushing it towards Russia was meant to provoke a response from Russia. Turning Ukraine into a proxy war zone is something America has done many times in the past. Mission achieved, more sales for the US defense industries. 100b contracts all around.
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u/JoeDiBango Apr 24 '24
I hope the Chinese people know some of the US wants to live in peace and just watch baseball and enjoy our kids.
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u/ALittleBitOffBoop Apr 25 '24
From what I've been reading and watching, I gather that generally, the regular Chinese citizen seems to distinctly separate the American people from the American government. Many are genuinely perplexed at how American government behaves
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u/JoeDiBango Apr 25 '24
I hope the rest of the world understands we want peace, this government has not represented us for a long, long time.
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u/BimmerGoblin Apr 25 '24
I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the American people are also quite perplexed by how our government behaves!
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Apr 25 '24
Yet you guys do nothing about it, seem complacent and cheer it on from what I see online. From an outsiders perspective the majority of you seem complacent with your government.
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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 25 '24
Not an American, but if anyone gets screwed by the US government, it's the Americans. All their money gets thrown into foreign ventures, meanwhile they get exploited to the edge of existence.
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u/JoeDiBango Apr 25 '24
I’m sorry, are you in a country that is not allowing you to watch the mass protests by students and everyday folks? If not, I can link you the YouTube footage.
But what would you have us do? Would you like us to make violence on the single most powerful force on earth? Would you advocate for me to act of extreme protest by blessed martyrs like Aaron Bushnell? What do you want us to do?
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u/No-Oil7410 Apr 25 '24
Those are nationalists and propaganda bots. They don't represent people that know better. ie the people that are too busy with their lives to care about what bullshit the government is peddling.
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Apr 25 '24
Majority of nationalists care about their country from what I've seen and are outraged at giving foreign aid when their own country is going down the drain.
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u/AstronautReal3476 Apr 25 '24
Why does the United States think it has the right to tell China what it can and cannot do?
Who are we to tell the world what is and is not allowed?
More importantly, who are we Americans to be surprised when the world doesn't bow before our feet and give into our every command?
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u/The_Xicht Apr 25 '24
And who is China to tell the US what they can and cannot do?
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u/Ok_Contribution1680 Apr 25 '24
Well, in this case, it's obvious that U.S. wants China to stop trading with Russia. China is in reactive mode.
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u/The_Xicht Apr 25 '24
I agree in this case, to some extent. However, China is, in many regards, in active mode. Just look at their actions in the south China sea, Hong Kong, India, Xinjiang, and so on. Anyway, how is them telling the US to stop helping Ukraine different from the US telling them to stop helping Russia?
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 24 '24
I really wish for the day where the US lose its worldwide power.
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u/Correct-Contract742 Apr 25 '24
Every empire/superpower has an eventual fall per history. I believe the US will too at this rate, honestly. If I have the guess, the next superpower will be China.
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u/Elim-the-tailor Apr 25 '24
I’d say China is already a superpower, though I don’t really see much risk that it could eventually overtake the west. It’ll do well enough to avoid the slump that Japan has hit over the past 3 decades as it faces a lot of the same headwinds.
Plus there’s more cohesion on trying to contain China and its ambitions from the west now (moreso in the Anglosphere, less so in the EU) than there was previously.
It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out — mostly just hope it stays a Cold War and doesn’t break out into open direct military conflict at some point (eg if China tried to invade Taiwan).
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u/Consistent_Set76 Apr 25 '24
To be replaced by what, exactly?
China?
You honestly think that’s better?
Or would you prefer to go back to a multi polar world that brought about both world wars?
Or perhaps you’d prefer the bipolar world that brought about the Cold War.
The reality is we live in the most peaceful period in human history globally
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 25 '24
The reality is like having a fucked up police system and you can't get a rid off. Just look at what our world police is doing. I would go for china rather than them tbh.
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u/Consistent_Set76 Apr 25 '24
I’m half convinced this sub is Russian/Chinese bots and people who hate America so much they fantasize about the USSR winning the Cold War
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 25 '24
Or probably survivors of the american invansions.
The US ruind my country for good. Why would i ever love them? And now they are ruining palestine too.
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u/Consistent_Set76 Apr 25 '24
USSR killed more human beings than the USA over the course of the Cold War 🤷♂️
Nobody said you should love America. Fuck America.
The fact is the world still has less global conflict now than ever in history
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 25 '24
I did not say russia nor the USSR.
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u/Consistent_Set76 Apr 25 '24
Amazingly, China killed more of its own people than America killed in the entirety if the Cold War
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 25 '24
They are better option than the US now. At the very least for our region where the US made it a battle field for the past two decades.
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Apr 24 '24
And who would you prefer take it’s place?
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Apr 24 '24
Multipolar would be better. But if I’m being completely honest with you I’d deal with China or Russia, I’m sick of the U.S. slaughtering millions because they don’t like Muslims or Arabs in the Middle East and causing chaos in South America because they are afraid of socialism.
China and Russia have a plethora of human rights abuses but they are more predictable rational actors and aren’t as driven by ideological supremacy.
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u/Impoopingrtnow Apr 24 '24
Nobody believes this (American) government but also nobody cares what they do either.. to ourselves or any other nation
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u/KentD3000 Apr 25 '24
USA and Israel are the World's biggest threat to peace. (Europe is controlled by them). Let's hope China, Russia, South countries will free the world.... ..
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u/Paliknight Apr 24 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Wish he would have also addressed the Israeli Gaza mass murder.
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u/TotallyNotaBotAcount Apr 25 '24
Also included a couple billion to Taiwan too, my guy…. Jus say’n 😉
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u/Dangerous_Cap_5931 Apr 25 '24
All I see is a bunch of elite pieces of trash fanning the flames of depopulation. Wake up people. All of these supposed leaders are friends behind closed doors.
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u/CasualDragon7880 Apr 24 '24
He is 100% correct but also 100% a hypocrite.
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u/poostoo Apr 25 '24
where's the hypocrisy?
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u/CasualDragon7880 Apr 25 '24
Actively giving Russia weapons to support their invasion of Ukraine, they plan to invade Taiwan unprovoked, and they've been accused of genocide against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
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u/Reasonable_Doughnut5 Apr 25 '24
They have been selling equipment to Russia to help them fight in Ukraine. Don't forget all the stuff about China trying to expand it's territorial waters trying to expand it's claim into other nations waters bullying other vessels. China does the same exact thing the USA does and worse like their mass concentration camps that have detained Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims since 2017. There is a reason why countries like Vietnam or even the Philippines lean towards the USA and not China. Even when the USA has done horrible things to both countries.
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u/Ok_Contribution1680 Apr 25 '24
There is a 10x difference between what U.S. did and China did in terms of bullying or fingerpointing.
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u/abestract Apr 25 '24
US foreign policy needs to completely overhauled. Starting with removing AIPAC from our political system. Then the US might stand a chance to regain its place again.
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u/Charlirnie Apr 25 '24
America instigated the war in Ukraine.... military weapons manufacturers making a killing. They also make a killing Taiwan. China has to invade Taiwan due to America building it up and provoking. What would America do if China was building up a South American country with weapons galore? America has already bombed and gimped all of South America lied about WMDs to bomb and steal from iraq...Afghanistan...No doubt all for freedom...lol...American propaganda has people goofed into believing everyone else bad...USA good...the elites use taxpayers to their advantage and laugh how easy. I mean most even believe there's more Russia propaganda even though you can't find positive Russia articles only evil russia...evil china.
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Apr 25 '24
That's an interesting thing to say seeing as China literally funds Russia's operations and offers military too
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u/UCthrowaway78404 Apr 25 '24
Ngl when Chinese leaders speak like this, their tone is terrifying.
I don't understand the language vut they sound very formal, precise and not fucking around.
The most terrifying speech from chins are the high court judges. They wear all black in a black a red room. Passing down penalties to spies and murderers
It just feels so final concise.
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u/nekojitaa Apr 26 '24
Right on China. Call the US out on its double standards. If we're going to play fair, let's make sure everyone plays fair.
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u/justme7008 Apr 26 '24
USA have spent their ENTIRE HISTORY passing the blame for conflict on to every other country whilst working their lies and misdeeds in the background. China's history is not one of occupation. USA history is nothing but occupying and dividing other countries by means of war.
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u/tvs117 Apr 27 '24
Bitch, we're all covered in blood. But if you have to pick between China, Russia, and the US. It's an easy choice.
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u/ChemistryRemote4551 Apr 28 '24
There was a peace deal on the table being highly considered in April 2022 months into the Russia/Ukraine war. Boris Johnson and Joe Biden with the full weight of NATO crushed that deal. It's been 2 years of stagnant warfare 100,000's of thousands lost. We must evaluate how much blood that land is really worth because I'm not of the believe it's an endless amount.
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u/farmerjoee Apr 28 '24
I'm all for calling the US out on its shit, but when your premise is that standing up to Russia is actually fueling the flames after what happened with appeasement in WW2 is shameful. There's plenty to go after the US for, but this guy somehow immediately loses the high ground.
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u/Fleetwood154 Apr 25 '24
🤦🏽♂️ yup because the US is the one that decided to invade a sovereign country. And also wants to invade Taiwan. GTFOH if Reagan can see and read today’s comments online, he’ll be turning over his grave.
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u/SRAbro1917 Apr 25 '24
I mean yeah the US is literally occupying several sovereign countries right now lmao
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u/Fleetwood154 Apr 25 '24
Yeah, OK cause because they try to topple a democracy don’t believe everything you read in the Internet, brother
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Apr 24 '24
Cant trust the Chinese communist party either
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u/pressonacott Apr 25 '24
Exactly, the fuckers have been messing with Taiwan, phillipines even confiscating fishing boats. Fanning the flames, but it's alright for them to steal data thru hackers and apps.
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u/juflyingwild Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
I guess you haven't seen the video of the US president affirming US commitment to the one China policy. It was JFK i believe
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u/vegetable_completed Apr 25 '24
China is assisting a country engaged in an unlawful invasion of a European democracy by providing the aggressor with aid and materiel. America is assisting the country that has been unlawfully invaded by providing aid and materiel, and may sanction China for assisting Russia with its unlawful invasion.
China indirectly benefits from the war in Ukraine and would certainly benefit from the disruption to world order if Russia were to succeed, as well as from the acquisition of new Ukrainian war technology, which Russia would provide them in that scenario. They also would like to unlawfully invade Taiwan and are closely monitoring the current conflict to evaluate whether or not that is a good idea.
Assisting a democratic country in defending itself from an unlawful invasion is not an act of hypocrisy. Penalising China for contributing to said invasion is not an act of hypocrisy. That is in full alignment with America’s purported ideals.
If America is behaving hypocritically in this context, it is that it isn’t doing ENOUGH to help Ukraine defend democracy.
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u/Cyberknight13 Apr 25 '24
China has a vested interest in helping Russia. The area of Siberia where I lived had a large Chinese presence and parts of the Russian Far East are completely Chinese. Putin is selling off Siberian forests and land to the Chinese.
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u/Naked_Justice Apr 25 '24
Keep in mind these mother fuckers send birth Korean defectors back to be executed
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u/Proud_Wallaby Apr 24 '24
China is no saint and has plenty of hypocrisy itself. They always talk about protecting sovereignty. What Russia is doing opposes that. It doesn’t matter who started it or who is responsible, unless it’s sorted soon, the whole world could end up getting drawn it.
But they are right that they can trade with whomever they want. They are correct that they have the right to protect their interests and have the right to prioritise them. But this is true for every country.
And they are right that USA has not always acted benevolently. But it has also not always acted malevolently either. Whatever USA has ever done was to promote their own interests. No different to what China is doing or is saying they have the right to do.
It’s bluster for loudness sake and doesn’t offer an actual solution to anything.
If Putin takes Europe, China might be next. They shouldn’t be so complacent.
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u/xFreedi Apr 25 '24
Putin: "I'm concernced about our safety so I start a war, killing hundreds of thousands russians."
Definitely an L take by this dude. He could have said literally anything else and the US probably is on the wrong side of history but he chose to talk about Ukraine, the only thing the US does kinda right.
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u/RebelliousInNature Apr 25 '24
Yeah. Not so peaceful and great with the human rights at the Muslim concentration camp you got going, though.
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u/LordSpookyBoob Apr 25 '24
THE CCP IS A FASCIST PARTY AND IS ALSO CURRENTLY COMMITTING GENOCIDE
They, like all fascists, lie. Using their propaganda to support your position only undermines it.
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u/Used_Intention6479 Apr 24 '24
China was hoping that Putin's invasion of Ukraine would pave their way to Taiwan. Now they're bitter.
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u/WorkingPragmatist Apr 25 '24
China can say this, as long as they stop crying when the US gives money to Taiwan, which they constantly do.
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u/Grieveruz Apr 25 '24
This whole thread is a joke and bunch of children who cannot accept other peoples opinions. It's like someone ran a script to auto down vote who speak I'll about saint China. /s LMAO
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u/Solid_Illustrator640 Apr 25 '24
Ya’ll are really sitting here listening to the minister of international propaganda from China and eating that shit up. Do you not know who he is? Lmaoo
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u/ZuckerbergsSmile Apr 25 '24
Wow. The propaganda is real in this subreddit
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u/The_Xicht Apr 25 '24
Honestly mindboggling. The chinese are doing EXACTLY the same, if not worse, as people in here are accusing the US of.
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