r/InternationalNews • u/Mr_Muscolo_ • Mar 12 '24
Europe Protesters boo Israeli president at opening of new Holocaust museum
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/3/11/protesters-boo-israeli-president-at-opening-of-new-holocaust-museum207
u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
Ridiculous that a person responsible for genocide is opening a museum for another genocide, so many amazing Jewish people out there and they had to pick this guy
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
Ugh… stop calling repeated mass ethnic cleansing and war crimes genocide.
Words matter.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
By your argument the Holocaust wasn't a genocide then
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
It was a genocide of European Jews. They would’ve stop existing if things continued.
If they would’ve been deported en masse and completely, they wouldn’t have stopped existing; it would’ve been ethnic cleansing.
As for Palestinians, they’re being removed from the region, gradually over time, but in terms of existential threat to the group…. Well, let’s see what happens to Gazans.
But for real, definitions matter. Not every horrendous crime against humanity is a genocide.
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u/society0 Mar 12 '24
The international court of justice says it's plausibly genocide. We'll all listen to them over you. Take your hasbara minimising somewhere else.
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u/Responsible-Match418 Mar 13 '24
I think it's a reasonable take. You don't need to be hasbara or whatever. If we want to communicate the errors and inhumanity of the situation, it's best not to resort to broad definitions. But yes plausible genocide is also on the table.
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Mar 12 '24
You’re right that’s why we have strict legal definitions that has multiple criteria that has been internationally agreed upon and been updated with that agreement throughout the last 100 years. And Israel is meeting that criteria. Your feelings don’t matter
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u/MelodramaticaMama Mar 13 '24
Almost as if OP didn't mention the ICJ. But please keep running your mouth. They pay you per comment after all, right?
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Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
I didn't say the ICJ at all. But you know how you get a ruling for possible genocide by the ICJ? by making a case for how the criteria for genocide is being met and then the court agreeing that that criteria is being met. Which is why I said that there is a clear criteria that has been agreed upon and developed over a century by all members of the UN that is being met. "Historical experts" saying I'm wrong doesn't matter because I'm just stating a fact.
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Mar 13 '24
Did i say they had been charged with genocide? no. I said it meets the criteria for genocide. you should take some time to read before shooting your pre loaded argument
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
The situation is meeting all the five criteria, except the condition of existence trial threat to the Palestinians; Palestinians arent diminishing in number, since 1948 they’re increasing.
And your feelings don’t matter regarding this fact. :)
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u/Fairy-Cat-Mother Mar 12 '24
It doesn’t have to meet all of the criteria to be defined as genocide.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
The criteria of existential threat to the group, is the criteria that matter the most. Come on.
Or are you gonna argue that you can have a genocide, without the cide of the gene?
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u/Stensi24 Mar 13 '24
So the holocaust wasn’t a genocide? And the Armenian genocide wasn’t a genocide? You just made a lot of Turkish people happy.
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u/MelodramaticaMama Mar 13 '24
You're just really fucking gross.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
Just use the right words it’s not that difficult. It’s your intellectual laziness that’s gross. You’re hurting the cause.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
With nearly all Gazans starving and displaced they're very close to not existing, if you haven't noticed, and from what Israeli soldiers and politicians post online publicly there's plenty of intent
Words matter. It's not a war, it's a genocide.
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u/YouThereOgre Mar 13 '24
Also in the west bank just last night same as many nights before in the past decades the iof are raiding and killing many palestinians.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
It’ll depend on what happen to those Gazans, yes
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 13 '24
The point to identifying a genocide is to stop it, not to wait and see what happens
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
Yeah I agree with that.
I think the Israeli exist in a gray area where we don’t expect them to go full Nazi, and are held to higher standards than the Hutus. So everyone is waiting and watching and holding their breath.
And the Israeli are probably going to continue to act within that gray area, which is ethnic cleansing within a context provided by war. So Gazans are probably gonna end up losing their lands, or part of it, for the profit of Israeli settlers.
And they’ll end up refugees somewhere, and Palestinians who manage to stays in Gaza won’t get to rule over themselves anymore.
All that will suck, but it’s not a Genocide.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 13 '24
You might as well say that the Nazis were only practicing self defense, they had no choice but to put the Jews into ghettos because look at what the Jewish bankers were like back then, therefore it wasn't a genocide. Heck, Nazis back then truly believed that.
Nope. Doesn't work that way.
Genocide is genocide.
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Mar 12 '24
The definition of genocide is “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.” It doesn’t require the total erasure of the group, just that a large number (30,000+) are killed with the intent of destroying that group (just look at how many Israeli politicians have said things like Gaza needs to be totally destroyed, or that all Palestinians are guilty for Oct 7, or that Palestinians aren’t even an ethnic group, just Arab invaders, etc.).
Besides, if you’re using hypotheticals to conclude that the Holocaust was a genocide but this isn’t, then someone can just say “if this slaughter of Palestinians continues it will eventually mean no more Palestinians in Gaza” and, therefore, it’s a genocide. Neither group was wiped out, but one of these situation is still ongoing as we speak.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
So, 30k casualties in five months, there’s two millions Gazans…. Hmmm. Math ain’t mathing to support the assertion that Palestinians are in any danger of being destroyed as a group or a nation.
Sorry. 😢
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Mar 13 '24
Like I said, that’s not a necessary part of the charge of genocide. Like the definition above states, it only requires that a large number of people be killed and there be the intention of destroying the group. Both of these have been shown to be the case already by the body count and the rhetoric coming out of Israel.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
Right. These are facts and I’m not denying them.
“Large number of people”, that’s interpretation; 30k dead, 70k Injuried, 5% total population as victimes, over 5 months.
At this rate we can interpret , that, for now, the physical destruction of the Palestinian people is not the goal. Who knows, maybe the IDJ will push them all Into the sea next week and I’ll be wrong, but so far, what’s going on is consistant with the goal of removing Hamas, Hamas being an organization that fight asymmetrical warfare within its own civilian population in a highly densely populated area.
But it’s also consistent with the intent of ethnic cleansing. It all depend on how Israel will conduct itself to close their war. We will see.
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u/Velaseri Mar 13 '24
Are you saying settler-colonialism isn't genocide?
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
I agree Israel is a settler-colonial state.
But if the victimized group isn’t in process of being destroyed, it’s not a genocide.
How are you people so intent on avoiding the core element of the definition, just to be able to use your buzz word.
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u/Velaseri Mar 13 '24
I’m not using genocide as a “buzzword,” I’m referencing post-colonial/decolonial theory and Lemkin’s own definition.
Jacques Depelchin has said there is a pervasive desire within the western world to minimise, and deny the crimes of colonisation, and by ignoring the genocidal nature of settler-colonialism it normalised the continuous settler occupation.
Colonies themselves act as incremental genocidal projects, which seek to replace and/or “assimilate” Indigenous populations, and cultures within settler-colonial societies/colonies.
In Patrick Wolfe’s “Settler-colonialism and the elimination of the native” he describes settler-colonialism as “a structure, not an event” which is an important distinction to the idea that "colonialism is over" once the settler-colony is established.
The destruction of colonised people’s culture, tradition, language, families, sacred sites, religions, repression/suppression of colonised people's freedom of movement, restriction of land and the means to necessity, all fit the definition of genocide by the Genocide Convention’s definition, and Lemkin's proposals:
”Genocide does not just mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killing of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group.”
Israel, have taken no measures since the ICJ ruling that “found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide if it did not commit to the issued six provisional measures.”
”Since 7th of october 1.9 million people – 85 percent of Gaza’s population – have been internally displaced. The scope of evacuation orders has confined them to less than one-third of the Gaza Strip’s territory. Most IDPs live in overcrowded conditions where communicable diseases are on the rise, and struggle to access food, water, electricity, healthcare, sanitation, shelter, and destroying/blocking access to farmland and the sea. These conditions are expected to worsen with the onset of winter.”
The constant displacement and removal of Palestinian people, Israel's refusal to grant Palestinian refugees right to return, ongoing forced removal from homes to expand territory for new settlers, leaked documents which show plans that propose forcibly transferring 2.3 million people, restricting movement, food, water, medicine, the systematic removal and detention of Palestinian children in the occupied West Bank, the ethno-religious nationalism of Israel that excludes Palestinians, all show intent. This is genocide.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
I’m aware of all of that and I agree with all of it as fact. We’re riddled of well documented examples all over the world. I just don’t think the Palestinians fit the case.
Palestinians in the West Bank are at risk, they’re being gradually pushed away to make way for settlers.
Gazans are at risk, they’re in a war zone and all of it rest on how Israel will conduct itself and finish this up.
But like I said elsewhere, the most likely outcome is ethnic cleansing, not the destruction of the Palestinians as a group. And even that is a big if; Israel won’t liquidate 1.8M Gazans, and I can’t imagine a plan where they won’t be able to come back in Gaza either.
So we’ll see.
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Mar 12 '24
Is this a joke bc if it is it’s good
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 12 '24
It’s worded like a joke but it’s not. A genocide is a specific thing. Palestinians haven’t been victime of it, yet, they’re just very vulnerable to the possibility of genocide.
But we gotta stop calling it what it’s not.
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u/yiggawhat Mar 13 '24
why? even if its only very close to a genocide, what exactly is the benefit of not calling it one?
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
I’ll say this candidly, and in good faith, and in full transparency; I think that’s a super interesting question, and a complicated one.
First and foremost I think words matter, and I think intellectual integrity matter, and in the case of the Palestinian cause, I feel that the concept of genocide has been used as a club to browbeat opposition or undecided people into silence or ideological compliance. And I feel 99% of the time it’s been used by people who don’t understand the concept from a legal stand point. But that’s just my opinion, I don’t expect you ti agree with that and I don’t care, it’s fine.
Where I feel we could agree on Is that, maybe instead we should insist on what’s certain, what’s facts, what’s historically documented: decades of ethnic cleansing and forced displacement, of settler-colonization. The villages that were emptied in 1948 have names, the people who lived there too. It’s all concret.
And by not insisting on that, I also feel we fail to appreciate the fact this information wasn’t always facts; people had to fight to have the Israeli historical archives declassified in the 1970 and to have academics accept it.
I feel the cause would be served better if we brought notions that would hit harder, as they’re facts.
Which isn’t the case for genocide; it’s an hypothetical, a gray zone that’s debatable and as such, less convincing. Less convincing because it’s been degraded into an hyperbolic buzzword.
Doesn’t it make more sense as to where I’m coming from?
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u/yiggawhat Mar 13 '24
it does and thank you for bringing up your points in a civilized manner. Im gonna be honest i thought with how the israel shills have been using this whole argument to deflect any criticism from the israeli government it made me think youre one of them too.
While i do agree to a certain degree i think most people equate whats happening to a genocide in the making, even if its in a gray zone. And we can agree that israel has huge resources to paint the picture however they like, making it very hard to prove actual genocide, even if the implications are clear as day.
As far as im concerned israeli lobby in media can keep this status of "not actually a genocide" for practically ever. There will always be some fabricated excuse for excessive force.
And as they dont play by the rules, people calling it a genocide is a small issue to me.
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
Agreed on every points, and it is a relatively small issue, in the context of what’s happening.
I think I got triggered by this aspect when I saw on tv an activist in Canada try to force her way into an office building and the security guard wouldnt have it, and she was screaming “why are you supporting gEnOCIdE!?!” to the poor guy just trying to do his minimum wage job.
It’s just not the way.
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u/FartyMcgoo912 Mar 13 '24
The people who spent the last few decades misusing the term "anti-semitism" to smear critics of israel are suddenly DEEPLY concerned about precise semantics
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u/Mavrikakiss Mar 13 '24
Well, you wouldn’t have to deal with such people, if they exist, if proper semantics was a actually respected.
That this is a bother to anyone is proof they have no respect for the words they use. But words matter.
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u/docfarnsworth Mar 12 '24
fyi the president is Isaac Herzog and he was leader of the opposition during parts of the time bibi was in power. President is also basically a ceremonial role.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
I'm pretty sure he's not opposing the genocide.
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u/docfarnsworth Mar 12 '24
eh, i just thought you were thinking of bibi as he actually runs the government so if you wanted to place responsibility for Israels action it would be on him.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
Have you seen all the videos IDF soldiers posted of their war crimes? Have you seen what right wing Israeli people say online? Heck, have you seen "left wing" Israeli people say online? It's not just Netanyahu.
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u/justwantanaccount Mar 12 '24
https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1713093224128983416
He said no one in Gaza is innocent, the psycho
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u/MarketCrache Mar 12 '24
Where's the Holocaust museums for all the Gypsies, Slavs and a dozen other oppressed minorities who were sent to the camps?
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u/Inevitable_Bid_2391 Mar 12 '24
Did you not get the memo? Genocide only matters if it happens to Jewish people and white* people.
(*Slavs, Bosnians, etc. are exceptions. Their genocides also get downplayed and ignored.)
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u/ShotStatistician7979 Mar 12 '24
Have you ever been to a Holocaust museum? They generally go into detail about the destruction of other minority groups and even non-WW2 genocides.
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u/Fairy-Cat-Mother Mar 12 '24
Same. And the focus is often on Jews because the holocaust disproportionately affected them, not because of any sense of superiority.
People can support a ceasefire and the rights of Palestinians AND acknowledge the atrocities committed against Jews by the nazis at the same time. In fact, we must, because those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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u/Legitimate-Bread Mar 12 '24
Tell me you've never visited a holocaust memorial without telling me you've never visited a holocaust memorial.
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Mar 12 '24
The age of social media. Bibi and his party are complicit of genocide. We are mad as hell.
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u/docfarnsworth Mar 12 '24
fyi the president is Isaac Herzog and he was leader of the opposition during parts of the time bibi was in power.
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u/ramithrower Mar 13 '24
Who is spewing as much genocide speech as bibi is
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u/docfarnsworth Mar 13 '24
really? what did he say?
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u/ramithrower Mar 13 '24
In a press conference after 10/7 he said:
“It is an entire nation out there that is responsible, It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”
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u/xarjun Mar 12 '24
The ethno-state only exists to protect its own interests. They couldn't care less about the shoah, nor the well-being of any Jewish people outside their borders. In fact, the more fearful Jews are, the better for their slaughter machine.
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u/OtsaNeSword Mar 12 '24
Isn’t that the function of every nation state though? Nation states look after their own interests and their own citizens. It would be strange if they did not.
This isn’t a controversial point but you’re trying to make it sound like it is.
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u/xarjun Mar 12 '24
Not every state appropriates a religion, but some do. Not every state appropriates an ethnicity, but some do. Not every state bases its origins in some thousands of years old origin myth, and backs up this belief by imposing laws predicated on those beliefs today. Not every state has occupied another people for 3/4 of a century, neither accepting them as citizens, nor allowing them to be free. Not every state is engaged in an ongoing genocide. Only the State of Israel fits all of these criteria.
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u/djscuba1012 Mar 12 '24
How do you explain foreign aid ?
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u/OtsaNeSword Mar 12 '24
There’s nothing to explain. Nations providing foreign aid does not negate nation states looking after their own interests or citizens.
No country will give more than their means so it’s not a question of either or.
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u/Joshistotle Mar 12 '24
The machine runs on an unlimited supply of taxpayer funds. Limit funding, and the machine will find it increasingly harder to function.
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u/BuzzBadpants Mar 12 '24
It’s not an unlimited number of Israeli soldiers, though. They’re not there yet, but over time Israel will face growing discontent with the war and the senseless death.
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u/zigCARNIVOROUS Mar 12 '24
google 'americans enlist to idf'
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u/DeezDoughsNyou Mar 13 '24
Googled it. Those are Americans with dual citizenship. Mercenaries are trained soldiers hired to fight. Google Mercenary definition.
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u/zigCARNIVOROUS Mar 13 '24
Almost like they deliberately dance around calling anyone mercenaries since that's y'know, illegal.
Does the Mercenary Law Apply to Conscripts?
Nov 20, 2009
According to South Africa's 1998 Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act, citizens are not allowed to "engage in mercenary activity" or "render any foreign military assistance to any state" unless special authorization was granted. Yet several local community members interviewed for this article said South Africans who served in the IDF need not worry because this law does not apply to them.
"The law applies specifically to mercenaries but not to people who were inducted into the Israeli army according to Israeli law."
haaretz DOT com/2009-11-20/ty-article/does-the-mercenary-law-apply-to-conscripts/0000017f-e56d-dc7e-adff-f5ed261c0000
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u/DeezDoughsNyou Mar 13 '24
Why are we suddenly discussing South Africa? You said Google Americans enlist to IDF. Those are Americans with dual citizenship. But also in your post it says SA's can be granted special authorization so why would it be illegal? And if they're SA's with dual citizenship then yes they can be conscripted because all Israeli citizens in country and abroad are required to enlist in the military. Reality just doesn't seem to meet your narrative.
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u/zigCARNIVOROUS Mar 13 '24
Because the practice has been reported fifteen years ago by haaretz. south africa recently had to revoke citizenship to any citizens enlisting in the idf. Or are you hoping to move the goal posts all over the place when your fickle arguments topple.
South Africa says its citizens serving in IDF could face prosecution back home
Pretoria says it’s ‘gravely concerned’ about citizens joining war, suggests they are committing ‘international crimes,’ says naturalized citizens could be stripped of nationality
18 Dec 2023, 9:34 pm
Four IDF soldiers look out a window at a partially demolished neighborhood in the Gaza Strip, in a handout photo released December 18, 2023. (Israel Defense Forces)
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — South Africans fighting for Israel in Gaza could face prosecution at home, the government warned on Monday, as President Cyril Ramaphosa once again denounced the conflict in the Palestinian territory as a “genocide.”
The foreign ministry said it was “gravely concerned” by reports that some Israeli soldiers who are also South African nationals have joined the IDF to fight in Gaza, or are considering doing so.
“Such action can potentially contribute to the violation of international law and the commission of further international crimes, thus making them liable for prosecution in South Africa,” the ministry said.
It did not specify how many South Africans are thought to have enlisted. The government has previously said the State Security Agency (SSA) was tracking them down.
South Africans need prior government approval to fight legally in Israel, the ministry said. Naturalized citizens are at further risk of being stripped of their South African nationality for engaging in a war that the country “does not support or agree with,” the foreign ministry added.
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u/DeezDoughsNyou Mar 13 '24
Again, why are we talking about SA? Talk about moving goal posts. And gaslighting while we're at it. I'm not making fickle arguments because I'm not arguing. You said Google Americans Enlist to IDF. That's what I did. You are incorrect about Americans enlisting in the IDF being mercenaries. You can post all you like about SA it won't make your original assertion true.
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u/zigCARNIVOROUS Mar 13 '24
https://lawoffice.org.il/en/idf-recruitment-of-foreign-citizens/
In summary, Jewish foreign citizens can volunteer to serve in the IDF. Non-Jewish foreign citizens may volunteer in non-military tracks.
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u/DeezDoughsNyou Mar 13 '24
Very good. Yes, we know this thanks to Google. Mercenaries are paid soldiers who fight, not volunteers in non-military support roles. So no, there are still no American mercenaries fighting with the IDF.
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Mar 12 '24
It's not good enough though. We can't sit around while these sick old men run out of young people to send to kill and die for their power games.
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Mar 12 '24
That’s why they are trying to get allied boots on the ground by bc starting a while ME war
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Mar 12 '24
Israeli president on a quick propaganda tour. “Wilhelm remember how your grandfather was a Nazi? Don’t make me bring that up again. I help you inaugurate your Holocaust museum with a speech addressing the hostages in Gaza and make sure we hear no criticism from your corner.” The thing is there have been several protests here in the Netherlands and our government position on this topic is not aligned with the people outside who just want the killing to stop.
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u/AnnaLindeboom Mar 12 '24
Media framed it as a protest against the museum itself. Sickening.
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u/Able-Arugula4999 Mar 13 '24
It certainly seems like an odd place to protest the brutality of Israel. Most Jews don't live in Israel, and likely don't approve of their policies in Palestine.
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u/RaiJolt2 Mar 16 '24 edited Mar 16 '24
Uhhh what? Around half of the Jewish population is in Israel (technically more live in the us but it’s fairly even comparison wise)
Edit: so while there are more Jews outside of Israel than inside of Israel most Jews in America support Israel and both Israel and America have 41% of the Jewish population respectively.
So you are technically correct.
Also while checking my numbers I found that there are more Irish in America than in the uk and Northern Ireland combined.
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u/Able-Arugula4999 Mar 16 '24
Uhhh what? Around half of the Jewish population is in Israel (technically more live in the us but it’s fairly even comparison wise)
Less than half live in Israel. Which would be "most".
So you are technically correct.
yes, I am.
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u/tinkertailormjollnir Mar 12 '24
“It’s so antisemitic to protest the HOLOCAUST museum!” everywhere on Twitter
They aren’t, dumbasses. Herzog to The Hague for genocidal comments encouraging collective punishment and war crimes as a head of state.
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u/The4thJuliek Mar 12 '24
A man who claimed, "We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly" and "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible" is the guest of honour at a Holocaust museum. Oh, the irony.
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u/zigCARNIVOROUS Mar 13 '24
Tldr. Of course there are Americans in the idf. There's going to be American troops in Gaza, officially, soon enough, why are you quibbling
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/27/americans-israel-defense-forces-gaza/
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/north-american-volunteers-in-the-israeli-army
American-Israeli soldier who went missing Oct. 7 confirmed dead, Israeli military says
published March 12th, 2024
WASHINGTON – Itay Chen, an American-Israeli soldier who went missing during the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel, was confirmed dead Tuesday by the Israeli military.
Chen was born and raised in New York City − rooting on American sports, playing basketball and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance each day − before later moving with his family to Israel. The family, unable to reach Chen after the Oct. 7 attack, was told by the Israeli military that his status was missing in action, or MIA.
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u/yiggawhat Mar 15 '24
I get that, its a ver polarizing topic. Its kind of unprecedented unethical actions from the west in the eyes of gen Z and rightfully so. I kind of have trouble believing anything any longer. Im from germany and im astounded with how the media and our politicians handle these humanitarian issues. Its frightening.
It helps to think of those gen z'ers are fighting for whats right and not whats financially viable to them. They have nothing to gain from protesting.
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u/AdamJeffery7 Mar 13 '24
I’m amazed the guys not been cleansed yet! It surely Takes a different bread other then human to walk freely while ordering death to children and being the cause of ww3, correct me if I’m wrong but the only ones targeted are the one who stand for actual peaceful times, oh no that means I’m a target, well even tho evil prevails at the moment, I was taught western society are not the good guys except in rare occasions and to know the difference between right and wrong
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u/wrbear Mar 14 '24
I find it interesting that history from the south and war materials from WW2 Germany are practically banned because "We need to forget or else history repeats itself," but we have holocaust museum at every corner with a recipe for disaster in pictures.
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u/Bottleofcintra Mar 12 '24
Disgusting. These people have zero understanding and respect for European history.
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u/SecurityPanda Mar 13 '24
Yes, genocide is only horrific if it happens to Jews, otherwise it’s “not a problem”, right?
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