r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Mar 08 '24
International South Africa takes Israel back to the ICJ with urgent appeal
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u/Sbeast Mar 08 '24
Respect to South Africa for doing what they believe is right. Let's hope it makes a difference and helps to being an end to this terrible situation.
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u/UkrainianHawk240 Mar 09 '24
"what they believe is right"
Correction: what IS right. Unfortunately, I feel that the icj is corrupt at this point meaning they won't do shit cause they don't want to upset the usa
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Mar 10 '24
The ICJ is not corrupt, it is hindered by its limitations in jurisdiction. They can charge individuals but not entire countries.
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u/speakhyroglyphically Mar 08 '24
'Extreme Urgency' drives South Africa back to the ICJ
"1 day ago - South Africa requests International Court of Justice to urgently act to prevent famine in Gaza genocide Media Statement. South Africa has on 6 March 2024, approached the International Court of Justice (ICJ) with an urgent application for the provisional measures the court ordered on 26 January 2024, to be strengthened to prevent a ... https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/extreme-urgency-drives-south-africa-back-to-the-icj
(That's South African President Cyril Ramaphosa in the video)
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u/UnregularOnlineUser Mar 09 '24
I mean, Egypt was always complicit, Sisi is the biggest dickrider of Israel and the US, everyone in Egypt hates him but they can't do anything about it because he imprisons anyone who runs against him or says anything bad about him online.
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u/UnregularOnlineUser Mar 09 '24
For the same reason that all countries that fund Israel aren't.
The case is mainly against Israel, so the focus is Israel, so obviously not all complicit countries are mentioned or brought to trial.
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u/Not-Musti Mar 09 '24
lol there is a lot of high IQ in ur logic , so let’s blame France for the Nazis /s
Are you ok in mind ,buddy?
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u/Ancient-Concern Mar 11 '24
The court must first find Israel guilty of genocide. Those cases will follow.
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u/Vlad_the_impulsive Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
Not sure why people bash them for doing the right thing, a former apartheid state can clearly see a current apartheid state
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u/speakhyroglyphically Mar 09 '24
Not sure why people bash them for doing the right thing
It's part of Hasbara. Kill the messenger
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u/Raze_the_werewolf Mar 09 '24
What buzzword?
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u/Raze_the_werewolf Mar 09 '24
Isn't Hasbara a real word? My God, I thought that's what they actually called themselves. Lol
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u/Raze_the_werewolf Mar 09 '24
Sounds like you just Hasbara'd what Hasbara is.
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u/Fun-Function625 Mar 09 '24
Now there is a word YOU need to learn the real meaning of, and when to use it in the correct context.
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u/Reddit_Bot_For_Karma Mar 10 '24
It's legitimately a Hebrew word with no direct translation to English. It might be a buzzword but it's one Jews created for their own benefit.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 09 '24
Oh really? What’s South Africa’s views on the Russia Ukraine conflict?
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Mar 10 '24
They have a lot on their plate, they’re not the world police like the US pretends to be. Apartheid holds special interest for South Africa which is why they’re getting involved. Otherwise, their focus has been on Africa, and they have been mediating a number of conflicts in Africa, including Sudan, South Sudan, Ethiopia, Congo, Libya, and Côte d’Ivore.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 10 '24
Oh really? Too much on their plate to hold a moral view on another conflict?
Literally I’m just asking you to tell me their views on Russia Ukraine, not even explain why they aren’t doing anything about it. I just want to know if they’re actually morally consistent or here in bad faith.
How do they feel about the gencocides in Sudan or China or Syria or Yemen?
Seems like they can’t have too much on their plate to be so heavily involved with Israel.
Maybe they only care if they can accuse Jews of genocide and that’s why they ignore everything else?
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Mar 10 '24
You missed the part where their special interest is in Apartheid and Africa, and they did mediate in the Sudan conflict as mentioned. You also missed the part where the South African Apartheid was driven by Israel, giving them even more reason to take interest.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 10 '24
Just read the Wikipedia on that, Israel was against the apartheid but had to side against the group that allied itself with the PLO which was attacking Israel at the time.
I don’t see South Africa going to the IJC for any of the conflicts in Sudan or Syria that killed hundreds of thousands of Israelis, it seems more like they have a score to settle with Israel and want to help their Hamas allies.
Also please tell me South Africa’s view on Russia/Ukraine so we can establish their morals and determine who their allies are and what their biases are
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Mar 11 '24
African countries see the conflict as a Western power struggle and have mostly chosen to stay neutral. They’re also pissed that the West has left them to die during COVID. African refugees to Europe have been seen as national security issues, and some African countries have been used as a dumping ground for Western deportation. So why would they side with countries who have been racist to them? Why would South Africa side with the side that funded their Apartheid, the ones who labelled Mandela a terrorist until 2008?
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
It sounds like they supported the PLO even before Israel wronged them in any way.
Also I still don’t understand why they would side with Russia
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u/GeshtiannaSG Singapore Mar 11 '24
I don’t see why you don’t get countries not liking and ignoring other countries who don’t respect them and meddle with their affairs. It’s also not surprising at all when that was the stance taken during the Crimea invasion. If they don’t care about you, why should you care about them?
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u/Ancient-Concern Mar 11 '24
Israel was against the apartheid
You are clueless.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
“ During the 1950s and 1960s, Israelbecame an open critic of the apartheid regime in South Africa, hoping to establish good relations with black-majority countries in Africa.[1] However, most African countries severed ties with Israel in 1973 due to economic threats by oil-rich countries in the Arab world.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations
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u/Ancient-Concern Mar 11 '24
From the same article just 2 examples there is a lot more. Read your own fkng link before you post.
Dont worry I see it is a new account: bot
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
Show me what I missed then.
Also this account isn’t THAT new
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u/Ancient-Concern Mar 11 '24
In 1976, the 5th Conference of Non-Aligned Nations in Colombo, Sri Lanka, adopted a resolution calling for an oil embargo against France and Israel because of their arms sales to South Africa.\99])
Israeli and South African intelligence chiefs held regular conferences with each other to share information on enemy weapons and training.\100]) The co-ordination between the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the SADF was unprecedented, with Israeli and South African generals giving each other unfettered access to each other's battlefields and military tactics, and Israel sharing with South Africa highly classified information about its missions, such as Operation Opera, which had previously only been reserved for the United States.\101])
Israel was one of the most important allies in South Africa's weapons procurement during the years of PW Botha's regime.\102])
During Operation Protea in 1981, the SADF made military history, as arguably the first user of modern drone technology, when it operated the Israeli IAI Scout drones in combat in Angola. They would only be used in combat by the Israel Defense Forces a year later during the 1982 Lebanon War and Operation Mole Cricket 19.\103])
In 1981, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon visited South African forces in South West Africa for 10 days,\104]) later
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u/Reddit_Bot_For_Karma Mar 10 '24 edited Mar 10 '24
Well... considering South Africas views towards Palestinians (which is that South Africa can never be truly free until the Palestinians are) run much father back than this news cycle, much further back infact since Nelson Mandela is the one who spoke those words.
I'd say their feelings and sympathies are rightfully placed on the Palestinians. Their priorities are rightfully placed for them.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 10 '24
By what logic can South Africa not be free until Palestinians are???
Also just read the Wikipedia, Israel was against the apartheid but had to switch sides after South Africa supported the group actively attacking Israel
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u/Reddit_Bot_For_Karma Mar 11 '24
By their own? They declared they will never consider themselves free until Palestine is.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
Alright, I mean to me it just sounds more like they have their alliances which drives their bias than that they’re actually here for human rights
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u/Reddit_Bot_For_Karma Mar 11 '24
They have a bias. Definitely.
They lived through apartheid. They recognize evil and injustice when they see it. It's a bias rightfully placed.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
Oh yes and they can see and recognize evil and apartheid and Jews can’t lol
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u/Reddit_Bot_For_Karma Mar 11 '24
The person perpetuating the evil doesn't usually see the deeds they are commiting as evil, no.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
So, if someone was demonizing Jews they might not see what they’re doing as evil?
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u/Ancient-Concern Mar 11 '24
Israel was against the apartheid
Again wit this nonsense? You should read the whole wiki page.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Mar 11 '24
“ During the 1950s and 1960s, Israelbecame an open critic of the apartheid regime in South Africa, hoping to establish good relations with black-majority countries in Africa.[1] However, most African countries severed ties with Israel in 1973 due to economic threats by oil-rich countries in the Arab world.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations
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u/jaymickef Mar 08 '24
I used to think it was a problem that the news is only about Israel but after looking at all the other stuff going on in the world maybe it’s better to only focus on one state and ignore everything else. It would be too much to handle.
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u/These-Salary-8559 Mar 09 '24
- please wake up - no where in the world kids are dying either of starvation or Bombs- yes other atrocities are happening however this one is the worst !
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u/SharkPuppy6876- Mar 09 '24
Hell no. Gaza’s an issue, but Sudan and Yemen have had colossal death tolls, including the largest famine in the world in Yemen. Not to mention Congo, the Sahel and other areas. This is the worst because the most people want it to be the worst, not because it is
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u/jaymickef Mar 09 '24
“Each day, 25,000 people, including more than 10,000 children, die from hunger and related causes.”
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u/These-Salary-8559 Mar 09 '24
I said hunger and bombs- so they go out to find food but IDF bombs them and then laugh and dance about it !
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u/jaymickef Mar 09 '24
Don’t make it a competition. If you only want to look at one part of the world that’s fine. The world is awful and only getting worse, it’s better not to know how bad it is.
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I mean other people in the world have been killed too so stop making October 7 a competition
It doesn’t work like that and you know it
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a sharp escalation of the conflict in Gaza has left the entire population of 2.2 million people in 'crisis' or worse levels of acute food insecurity. Child malnutrition is higher than anywhere in the world, with one child in every six under the age of 2 acutely malnourished.
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u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa Mar 09 '24
America is actively looking for ways to punish us for our stance on Israel. Thank goodness China has become our main trading partner
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u/Specific-Finish-5983 Palestine Mar 09 '24
The world will never forget your bravery and courage to take the leadership against extreme pressure and with sacrifices for the lives and freedom of the Palestinians 🙏. I will sing the praise of South Africa until my last breath
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u/mancho98 Mar 09 '24
I hope the world see this and get into more partnerships directly with China. South America and Africa need to stop looking into the US and Europe for trade. Many people will refute this saying that China is the devil... sure the US and Europe are not?
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u/confusedbambiy Mar 12 '24
Time for the world to side with Africa and China and move away from Europe and U.S
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Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24
Great job South Africa for taking the imperialistic Zionist colonist country named Israel back to the ICJ.
Also Israel is defending their genocide against innocent Palestinians and I hope that Israel loses the ICJ case.
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u/SollyAfterparty Mar 09 '24
If only they had this much urgency for Congo
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u/lostpeace1988 Mar 09 '24
South Africa is presently actively involved in peace keeping efforts in Congo. In fact a number of South Africa soldiers have been killed engaging in the protection of civilians in the conflict.
https://www.africanews.com/2024/02/13/dr-congo-south-africa-set-to-deploy-2900-soldiers-to-east-drc/
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u/SollyAfterparty Mar 09 '24
Yet no escalations to the UN…..just a lot of sweeping under the rugs
South Africa is a corrupt failing country.
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u/Reach_44 South Africa Mar 09 '24
And where are you from? Please tell me of your glorious utopia that lacks any and all selfish people doing any corrupt things ever.
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u/LuxReigh Mar 09 '24
Moving goal posts because defending the indefensible is hard. Israel is a Far Right Apartheid Religious Ethnostate that's fallen to facism and is seen as the world's most racist place.
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u/SollyAfterparty Mar 09 '24
False. It’s simply protecting itself from Arab terrorists. Not that complicated sweetie.
And if you want to talk racist, there is no group more racist than the watermelon gang.
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u/LuxReigh Mar 09 '24
Nope you're literally defending and ethnic cleansing/displacement devolving into a genocide.
You can't even help but come across as extremely racist in your reply.
May you one day gain the humanity back you lost dehumanizing Palestinians.
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