r/InternationalNews • u/tahyaFelesteen • Feb 26 '24
Europe Demonstrations across Spain call for arms embargo on the Zionist illegal occupation
https://www.trtworld.com/europe/demonstrations-across-spain-call-for-arms-embargo-on-israel-17122866106
u/KYUSHUJ7W1SHINDEN Feb 26 '24
As a Spaniard, I'm so proud of my country and even though our prime minister Pedro Sanchez is fucking us over other things, at least we are on the right side of history with Palestine.
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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 Feb 26 '24
Only for likes of Spain,I'd be seriously questioning the future of my own country within the EU and if it's sustainable long-term with ordinary citizens
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u/ciaran036 Feb 27 '24
I'm so happy for the Spanish too, they are now my second favourite European nationality after my own 😛.
I knew anti-apartheid sentiment was strong in Barcelona, so it's heartening to see these rallies repeating in such huge numbers all over Spain as well.
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I've seen people fly the South African flag at my local ceasefire rallies. Perhaps I need to get hold of a Spanish flag as well.
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u/kpeurifoy Feb 27 '24
So you got all this energy where we stand on reparations to South and Central America??
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u/suugarpie1997 Feb 26 '24
We shouldn't stop there. We should begin cutting off diplomatic ties to such a terrorist entity.
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u/PsychologicalPace762 Feb 26 '24
Close airspace for all Israeli airlines flights. Add visa restrictions. Have an embargo for imports/exports from/to Israel.
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u/crumpledcactus Feb 26 '24
On a good bit of news:
The Palestinian economy is very reliant on agriculture and exports. According to wikipedia, roughly half of all agricultural land is devoted to olives, and 14% of Palestinians are employed by agriculture (up to 90% seasonally and through auxillary industries).
The major online Palestinian sales groups for Palestinian olive oil (zatoun, khalaf olives, Georgetown olive oil, Olive odessey) and other goods such as handcrafts are either low in stock, or have totally sold out. The world supports Palestine.
As of right now, the only in-stock items in some stores are huge gas-can sized cannisters of oil (and I wouldn't be surprised if those were repackaged to smaller bottles ASAP - someone email them about that). If you can, support Palestine economically by buying Palestinian exports. That's what counts in daily life.
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u/sef_sall Mar 02 '24
I read some articles online that the Zionist forces burned thousands of olive trees.
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u/Imaginary-Oil9048 Feb 26 '24
Divest from the Ethno state. Its better for the world that, That country deal with its own internal issues by themselves, with no help from any government. No more money for Israel they got it all already.
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u/Big-Video-5259 Feb 26 '24
THANK YOU FOR STANDING AGAINST GENOCIDE. MY PRESIDENT AND GOVERNMENT HAVE BECOME MONSTERS. A 25 YEAR OLD SET HIMSELF ON FIRE IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN CONSULATE BECAUSE OF WHAT HIS COUNTRY IS DOING IN OUR NAME. DID I MENTION HE WAS IN THE AIR FORCE ABLE TOO SEE IT ALL AND NO ONE CARES HE DIED JUST HOW TO DISCREDIT HIM. BROKEN IN AMERICA
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u/Lehdiaz1222 Feb 27 '24
How was his death going to help anyone? He couldn’t handle his emotions and took the cowards way out of the situation? No one’s minds were changed and his selfish decision will do nothing but further villainize “leftism” by concluding that Islam has radicalized our youth into killing themselves. I already see them twisting the narrative to make it seem like the left has lost control of their constituents.
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u/Pauvre_de_moi Feb 28 '24
Dis guy has never heard of immolation and the impact of martyrdom in protest.
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u/Lehdiaz1222 Feb 28 '24
He left two children behind, that makes him a selfish man. No, self-immolation is not martyrdom because one is a choice the other is not.
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u/lat_itude Mar 01 '24
I agree with you, but please do not let that make yourself ignore the message he was trying to send. He did not want to be associated with the constant support to the genocide. Just Google how brutal it is for ordinary civilians there right now. Just today this happened: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-death-toll-over-30000/ Also read about the blockade of humanitarian aid. Can you and I imagine living in such conditions?
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Feb 26 '24
Spain’s PM is garbage on a lot of things, but it’s nice that, even if it’s not Spain’s official stance, that he is at least against colonialism and genocide.
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u/Conscious-Werewolf2 Feb 26 '24
Except of course when Hamas attacks Jewish people
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Feb 26 '24
He condemned Hamas already.
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u/Conscious-Werewolf2 Feb 26 '24 edited Feb 26 '24
My mistake. I will Google that and post the correction as an edit. Edit: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/spanish-pm-meets-with-families-of-hostages-held-by-hamas/
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u/nekojitaa Feb 29 '24
Why would you use Times of Israel as a source for Israel? It's like me using Fox News/CNN to defend America.. which are always biased towards Middle East and other parts of the world.
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u/Bright_Plate_2948 Feb 26 '24
I seriously can't wrap my head around how this hasn't already been done by most governments. What exactly is the excuse not to do it here?
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u/mwa12345 Feb 27 '24
Likely fear of retaliation by the US.
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u/damon_modnar Feb 27 '24
Yeah, my country, Australia, is still brown-nosing the Yanks and the little ethnostate of Israel. Sad.
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u/mwa12345 Feb 27 '24
Yup. "China bother you? Play nice with this genocider. "
Can't tell if Penny W etc are trying to walk the thin line ..or have bought into it and doing some "concern trolling" to keep the voter base happy ( or at least quiescent)
That's the modus operandi.
Sudan was even funnier. They toppled a dictator after 30 years...but their condition to be taken off the terror list of nations: "recognize this ethno state".
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u/WorldPeace2021_ Feb 28 '24
Because people realize Palestine started this war. There isn’t a genocide going on. This is war. And Islam is the root for thousands of deaths a year whether it is someone’s “jihad” or what just happened in Vienna. I’ve never seen a religion that’s more associated, based on history, with terror than Islam. Most of Europe knows that this war could’ve been easily avoided if they didn’t attack Israel. Not surpised that this is coming from a country who specifically targeted Jews in their history. I would love to see every Arab immigrant in Europe go to Spain, most counties don’t want them and you clearly need to learn what happens to society when it’s flooded with Muslims.
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u/nekojitaa Feb 29 '24
Israel is the root for millions of Palestinian deaths without zero accountability. Israel, US, and the UK have been the problem regarding the middle east. Cut ties with Israel and see it collapse.
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u/CooperHouseDeals Feb 26 '24
Is Spain contributing any money to charitable organizations in Palestine? Another garbage proclamation with no teeth. Help the Palestinian people first, then let’s talk
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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt Feb 26 '24
Yeah, also they are against the withdrawal of support for UNRWA and is increasing the help another 3.8 nillion
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u/ComplexParsley7390 Feb 26 '24
Doesn’t Hamas effectively control all charitable operations in Palestine one way or another? It seems so difficult to get money to the people who actually need it most.
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u/CopeAndSeethee Feb 26 '24
Why is spain pro palestine? Anyone can inform me.
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u/Simple-Jury2077 Feb 27 '24
Because they don't like thousands of children being murdered every month, probably.
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Feb 27 '24
Because they don't like thousands of children being murdered every month
The number of deaths has barely changed since december.
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u/Simple-Jury2077 Feb 27 '24
Still averages out to thousands a month. And barely changed? Lol what told you that?
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Feb 27 '24
Still averages out to thousands a month.
So just wait a bit, the average will keep going down.
And barely changed? Lol what told you that?
December 27 2023 : 29,124
February 25 2024 : "Set to pass 30,000 this week"
If you have different numbers, feel free to provide a source.
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u/Simple-Jury2077 Feb 27 '24
Lol yup. It'll only take 16 months, assuming the idf stops murdering people right now.
Great point...
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Feb 27 '24
Lol yup. It'll only take 16 months
You're acting like this conflict hasn't been going on for decades. 16 months is nothing. The average is already well below thousands of deaths per month for the whole conflict.
Also I noticed you're not giving me any sources, so I have to assume you realized I had the right numbers. Do you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that you were wrong before and had no reason to act so condescending?
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u/Simple-Jury2077 Feb 27 '24
I wasn't wrong, even by your numbers. Learn math I guess?
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u/SarpedonSarpedon Mar 01 '24
Don't bother trying to argue with an obvious hasbara troll. What happens is that you provide evidence that refutes their crazy and racist suggestions, then they either rebut or shift their grounds,. then they block you, which locks the thread, (and makes it look like you weren't able to provide accurate sources) and you have wasted your time.
OXFAM says 250 people are dying per day, in Gaza. OXFAM,
Even worse, The Lancet published an epidemiological study last week that says that 80,000 more will die from disease and starvation over the next 6 months. Anyone who is unclear as to why Spain would support Peace given this horror is not arguing in good faith.
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Feb 27 '24
Less than a thousand deaths in two months during an urban war definitely counts as the death toll "barely changing". You need to get some perspective if you think that's a lot.
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u/Simple-Jury2077 Feb 27 '24
Lol. Have fun in crazytown .
It always makes me question, are you just dumb, or a shitty liar?
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u/ohdayummm Feb 28 '24
You posted EuroMed monitor so I assume you find them credible. Their February figures show 38k deaths. Might want to cool up on intellectual honesty. https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6176/Statistics-on-the-Israeli-attack-on-the-Gaza-Strip-%2807-October---23-February-2024%29
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u/Super_Duper_Shy Feb 28 '24
I don't know, but they are one of the only colonizer countries who have been on the right side of this.
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u/Budget_Secretary1973 Feb 27 '24
There was no “Zionist illegal occupation” of Gaza on October 6th. What happened after that to change the situation? If only we could know.
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u/tahyaFelesteen Feb 27 '24
There was no Zionists illegal occupation in Palestine before 1948,what happened after that?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/s/RYI2ruT5EN
Palestine will be free from the baby murdering genocidal thieves.
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u/Super_Duper_Shy Feb 28 '24
Yeah there was, you dork. Israel had Gaza under a blockade, and very heavy surveillance.
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u/Budget_Secretary1973 Feb 28 '24
Apparently surveillance wasn’t heavy enough? Anyway, no boots on the ground, is what I meant.
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u/Super_Duper_Shy Feb 28 '24
Ok, so Israel had an illegal occupation, they just did it without boots on the ground, instead they used a blockade, heavy surveillance, frequent bombing ("mowing the grass"), and killing unarmed protesters (The Great March of Return).
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Feb 27 '24
Right... opposing Israel from "occupying" Palestinian lands... but ignoring that Spain OCCUPIES Catalonia and the Basques... what hypocrisy!
In addition to NOT recognizing Kosovo... even MORE hypocrisy...
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u/subetenoinochi Feb 26 '24
"Zionist illegal occupation"
You know that like over half a dozen times Israel has agreed to land and territory treaties that were organized and proposed by neutral entities, and each time Palestine and its arabic supporters/handlers sabotaged negotiations? Palestinian governments are supported and selected by the surrounding arabic countries with the goal of maintaining aggression in Israel so as to weaken a nation the arabs view as a rival.
There's a reason money and weapons have been funnelled to openly violent groups whose messaging fantasizes about retaking all of Israel in the name of Islam since as far back as the arab league of nations in the 1970s. The arabs have run a very slick public relations propaganda campaign of labelling the inevitable and rightful ousting of Hamas as a "genocide" and you're buying into the propaganda by spreading this messaging. Hamas hides itself among civilians and civilian targets exactly so it can then claim to be the poor victim when Israel responds with reasonable force against it.
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u/crumpledcactus Feb 26 '24
Every single "peace offer" has included at least one of the following :
- Maintaining the land theft conducted by illegal settlers with Israeli funding
- Palestine sacrificing it's coastal autonomy.
- Palestine sacrificing it's airspace.
- Palestine sacrificing it's capitol, the city of Jerusalem, to Israeli control.
- Palestine being forced to never sue Israel for the return of people they ethnically cleansed during the mass murder of the Nakba.
- Israel being given permission to put military instalations in Palestinian territory.
- Palestine being stripped of it's right to a military.
- Israel's military having 24/7 access to all Palestinian land.
Every single over for a Palestinian "state" is just an offer for Israel to be a guilt free slave master. Fuck Israel.
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u/CwazyCanuck Feb 26 '24
reasonable force
Like they did in the 2018-2019 Gaza border protest?
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u/FractalMetaphors Feb 28 '24
Like they have done in most situations, there are exceptions. Tell me your country does better and more importantly would do so under the 7th Oct circumstances if it happened to you.
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