r/InformedTankie • u/juflyingwild • Sep 19 '24
Anti-Imperialism Getting Israel to leave the occupied Palestinian land.
Look at which countries voted to abstain or against.
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u/Olcri Sep 19 '24
What's with the few random island nations supporting colonisation? I figured Islanders of all people would be pretty unified against Western powers getting out of where they don't belong. A lot of these countries I don't know a ton about, so if someone could clarify if their current governments are still run by foreign powers the way Hawaii is, I'd appreciate it.
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u/After_Shelter1100 Sep 19 '24
A lot of them depend on the US for resources, so it’s less of a principled vote and more of a safety vote. I know Nauru is especially reliant on US food imports because they can’t grow much of anything and their waters are overfished.
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u/Olcri Sep 19 '24
Alright, that makes sense. And I've heard that a lot of Tuvalu's income comes from the .tv domain, so probably doing the 'safe' vote for investors and companys like Twitch.
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u/After_Shelter1100 Sep 19 '24
Yeah small island nations can’t risk it on UN votes like a lot of other countries can.
Most UN votes and abstentions are centered around geopolitics and each country’s reliance on global superpowers.
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u/chgxvjh Sep 19 '24
Client states
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u/KJongsDongUnYourFace Sep 19 '24
Client states and religious history. Tonga and Fiji are religious and tend to see Israel as a Christian ally
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u/dreamrpg Sep 19 '24
Russia voted for while doing very same thing. What a morons.
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u/Alepanino Sep 19 '24
Russia vs Ukraine is a fascist infighting between to fascist countries. The palestinean people on the other hand are a stateless people living under genocide and apartheid. Different context.
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u/FamousPlan101 Long Live Chairman Meow 🐱☭ Sep 20 '24
Fascist infighting? What makes Russia fascist?
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u/Alepanino Sep 20 '24
I'd say an oligarchic control of the economy, which is composed of a few rich people that have a tight control on media, elections, and state policies. Putin is just one dent of the machine, but after the fall of the ussr and US's shock therapy, its economy has just become a bourgeois state in decadence. Not very different from the west, aside from the fact that the West's ruiling class is currently decading.
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u/FamousPlan101 Long Live Chairman Meow 🐱☭ Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
They don't have total control of it, Russia is a bourgeois country yes, but Putin has kept the oligarchs in their place, nationalizing assets throughout his presidency and being accredited as such for ending Yeltsin's neoliberalism. Especially starting the SMO was a break from the oligarchy which wanted peaceful coexistence with the west, it ruined their position among the Russian elite as 300 billion dollars was frozen abroad. As a result Putin has been able to implement more social-democratic policies and industrialization. This year he visited several socialist countries: China, the DPRK and Vietnam. Yeltsin could never.
The communist party prints its program in many millions of copies (25 million in the presidential election alone), and Putin follows some of their proposals (SMO, nationalization, progressive taxation targeting the ultra rich, oligarchs abroad having their assets nationalized). Would this happen in a fascist country?
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u/Alepanino Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
Yes putin has had to do some changes in order to not fuck up the country the way the drunkard did, of course, and he is also a nationalistic figure that can unite its people into one block. However, I wouldn't go as far as insinuating he is a communist or even a socialist. He is a social democrat at best and a liberal at worst (so basically a fascist that has enough grip to power to not call himself that way) and would in any way shape or form prevent the masses from actually gaining power through a socialist revolution. He is also a dog of the west, and the only reason he is in the situation he finds himself to be in is because of NATO's bellicose stance against Russia and the Russians. If it wasn't the case though, he would have joined the Americans in a squint of an eye: he even insinuated that if NATO was to propose Russia's entrance into the organisation he would have done so. As far as the communist party thing, you can call yourself what you want but the facts don't change: same thing where i live in Italy, where there's plenty of "socialist" and "communist" parties that have just degenerated into becoming fascist-like, even going as far as being anti-immigration because it would hinder italy's working class. Right now, capitalism or socialism is not Russia's problem: they are basically encircled by NATO, but putin's reaction against imperialism doesn't make him a communist, he just deserves critical support without idolisation. Don't illude yourself that he'd pick the proletariat if he was to decide between the working class or the burgeoisie.
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u/Alepanino Sep 19 '24
The thing is that palestinean radicalisation is directly tied to israel's genocide. Hamas alone has been kept alive by israel, which Netanyahu proudly stated in a secret recording. If you compare israeli concentration camps to the palestinean treatment of israeli hostages, you'd realise you are reaching. This narrative only helps the ruiling class in continuing the genocide and apartheid state.
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u/Alepanino Sep 19 '24
I never said that. What you're asking me is that if israel withdrew to the occupied territories in the west bank, didn't make gaza a concentration camp and didn't fund radical groups to stir up chaos in the Country, it would become a communist heaven? Probably not, but it would most probably prevent palestineans from being ethnically cleansed. The 2 state solution is not possible with israel's current policies.
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