r/InformedTankie • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 • Apr 15 '24
Anti-Imperialism Iran’s theocratic government is not anti-imperialist
https://peoplesworld.org/article/irans-theocratic-government-is-not-anti-imperialist/20
u/GoSocks Apr 15 '24
anti-imperialism is full of contradictions. no shit iran is out for itself, but this endeavor positions it against hegemonic imperialist powers. the reality of the matter is they are engaging in anti-imperialist acts, regardless of their personal motives. the greater question is why should we care about iran’s theoretical orientation when our goal should remain focused on ending US imperialism and global domination. let’s end it and handle our own bourgeoisie first.
i’m tired of shit that is coincidentally aligned with american state department interests and always against america’s enemies. the enemy of the american people and the world are the american bourgeoisie
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Apr 16 '24
and anti-imperialism is all about identifying primary contradictions. for instance: Western imperial hegemony vs everyone else is the most pressing concern for the international proletariat. until this contradiction is resolved, work cannot really begin on other contradictions (like, for instance, Iranian proletariat vs their own national bourgeoisie).
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
the reality of the matter is they are engaging in anti-imperialist acts
"Acts" is a great way to put it. They are putting on a show of anti-imperialism, but actually failing to build any real anti-imperialist forces in the region. Instead, they are a sectarian destabilizing force.
If you want to build an anti-imperialist force it's going to take more than acts, and it's going to take sober assessments of why the middle east has thusfar FAILED to build an anti-imperialist force to oppose US-Israeli imperialism. This article is a starting point for that assessment.
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u/GoSocks Apr 15 '24
…are you saying…that an assessment is worth more than ACTIONS?? Here’s a sober assessment for you, the near east HAS engaged in anti-imperialist actions despite the violent retaliation of the West. Have you forgotten nationalization of oil in the region (an action that is against imperialist interests) led to the destruction of the region? remember, Saddam was OUR guy, but when he stepped out of line by nationalizing their oil production against imperialist interests, he faced the consequences. I don’t care what you call the countries, I think there are bad policies in them, but I will never look at clear actions that are an affront to Western imperialism and claim it’s not anti-imperialism.
The imperial core is responsible for the repression in the region. Let’s end it first and stop meddling in the near east
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
I'm not sure if you're talking about Iran or Iraq.
Saddam was "our guy" and we coordinated with Iran to overthrow him and command the new Iraq government.
…are you saying…that an assessment is worth more than ACTIONS??
I am saying if you assess the actions, they are not anti-imperialist. There is a thin coat of "anti-imperialist" paint over them which disguises Iran's actual interests, including coordination with imperialism.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
Are you asserting that the international secretary of the Communist Party of Iran is uninformed on their issues?
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Apr 15 '24
“international” in this case meaning “expat living in the West”
also it’s the Tudeh Party
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
The Tudeh party is the Communist Party of Iran. Most people don't know what Tudeh means, but the terms can be used interchangeably. If I called it the Party of the Iranian Proletariat, or the Mass Party of Iran, more literal translations, it would all mean more or less the same thing.
Calling a political refugee an "expat" is monsterous.
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
Please read lenin, because this is a terrible understanding of imperialism.....
Imperialism is as much our “mortal” enemy as is capitalism. That is so. No Marxist will forget, however, that capitalism is progressive compared with feudalism, and that imperialism is progressive compared with pre-monopoly capitalism. Hence, it is not every struggle against imperialism that we should support. We will not support a struggle of the reactionary classes against imperialism; we will not support an uprising of the reactionary classes against imperialism and capitalism.
- Lenin |A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism |5. “Monism And Dualism”
first, that all Communist parties must assist the bourgeois-democratic liberation movement in these countries, and that the duty of rendering the most active assistance rests primarily with the workers of the country the backward nation is colonially or financially dependent on;
second, the need for a struggle against the clergy and other influential reactionary and medieval elements in backward countries;
- V. I. Lenin |Draft Theses on National and Colonial Questions |For The Second Congress Of The Communist International
The current Iran regime is literally the product of counter revolutionary elements from the Anti Shah liberation movement, the US supported them last second in fear that Socialist forces would seize power amidst the chaos.
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Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
oh hey haven’t seen you and your shallow readings of Lenin in a while.
i don’t think i have to explain why “the US vaguely supported elements of the current Iranian regime decades ago, therefore Iran couldn’t possibly be opposing Western imperial power in the present day” is not really Marxist analysis, do i
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
Read Lenin liberal.....
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Apr 15 '24
thankfully i have read enough Lenin to know you are full of shit. like seriously fed level takes
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
The only take I made was quoting Lenin about not supporting reactionary classes against imperialism.
The fact that offends you so much means you are a liberal
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
but you support revolutionary action that combats hegemonic imperialism, whether the group is reactionary does not matter, but the contradiction itself.
This article does not condemn Iran's attack on Israel, which is what I assume you are referring to.
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
Sorry but this is just "But do you condemn Hamas??" but for Iran.
Iran's theocratic government is one of many consequences of US and Western meddling in that region. You don't get to fuck up a country or region and then afterwards blame them for how they ended up.
How about the US stop surrounding Iran with military bases first? How about they stop constantly trying to coup and antagonize them? Once the people no longer need to worry about a looming threat like the US, perhaps then they can focus on improving their country.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Sorry but this is just "But do you condemn Hamas??" but for Iran.
How?
Iran's theocratic government is one of many consequences of US and Western meddling in that region. You don't get to fuck up a country or region and then afterwards blame them for how they ended up.
Possibly true, but this isn't "blame", it's an assessment of the situation.
How about the US stop surrounding Iran with military bases first? How about they stop constantly trying to coup and antagonize them? Once the people no longer need to worry about a looming threat like the US, perhaps then they can focus on improving their country.
How Chauvinistic! Iranian Communists - sit on your hands and wait! Our country is a threat to you, and until we stop them don't try to stop the Dictatorship! Absolutely obscene to issue commands to the Iranian people like this.
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
How?
Because you're engaging in both-sidesism.
How Chauvinistic! Iranian Communists - sit on your hands and wait! Our country is a threat to you, and until we stop them don't try to stop the Dictatorship! Absolutely obscene to issue commands to the Iranian people like this.
You severely downplay the threat the US poses to not just Iran, but the whole world.
If a revolution to overthrow the current theocratic government occurs, which inevitably creates great instability, and it gets capitalized and coopted by the US (as they have always done), the blood won't be on my hands, because I didn't advocate for 'stopping the dictatorship' at such a dangerous moment in Iran's history.
I am not issueing any command on the people of Iran. I will not support a colour revolution that seeks to destroy a country for Western imperial interests.
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
This is stupid. A socialist revolution in Iran would be very good, and nearly happened until the US supported the counter revolutionaries who went on to seize power and suppress the communists.
the Threat the US poses should be crushed, and that is done by overthrowing the Iran regime and replacing it with a DotP
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
nearly happened until the US supported the counter revolutionaries who went on to seize power and suppress the communists.
Okay, and what's stopping the US from doing it again?
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
what? the point of the socialist revolution is to overthrow the counter revolution.....
the US is already funding Liberal groups there anyway, socialists using popular discontent to seize power is a good thing, unless you are against the bolshevik revolution and basically all socialist revolutions that happened.....
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
the US is already funding Liberal groups there anyway
Yea, and don't you think you'll have a much easier time without all that? And without the constant looming threat of war? Why must you play your hand at such horrendous conditions imposed on you by US unipolar hegemony?
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
Supporting a Clerical regime will not help you against "unipolar hegemony".
A socialist revolution would always be progressive, this shouldn't be controversial unless you support liberalism, which is fine I guess
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
So you don't want to give Iran their space then. You want to allow the US to remain alive and kicking for a bit longer, so that they can continue to coerce and influence the politics of foreign countries.
You people never think in longterms do you?
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
Wtf are you even talking about? In what world is Iran ever a real threat to the US?
and you have yet to address what I said, A socialist revolution would always be progressive, this shouldn't be controversial unless you support liberalism, which is fine I guess.
Are you arguing against socialist revolution?
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
If a revolution to overthrow the current theocratic government occurs, which inevitably creates great instability, and it gets capitalized and coopted by the US (as they have always done), the blood won't be on my hands, because I didn't advocate for 'stopping the dictatorship' at such a dangerous moment in Iran's history.
"Now is not the time for socialism". Says who!? Iran can make their own decisions.
Fears that a revolution could destabilize and weaken the Russian empire, leaving it vulnerable to foreign domination or invasion. So national defense priorities were put ahead of revolutionary goals. This was the position of Kautsky and his ilk.
Suspicions that revolutionary movements in oppressed nations like China were merely fronts for foreign intervention and imperialism by the big powers, again the position of the 2nd internationalists.
What's old is new again! Genuine Marxism-Leninism (creating a rupture in the Iranian government to build genuine anti-imperialism) from the Communist Party of Iran is opposed by chauvinistic rhetoric from Imperial nations.
In fact - only genuine anti-Imperialism can put an end to the immiserating of Iran, not fears of the paper-tiger of American imperialism.
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
Okay. What assurances can you provide? Iran has military bases surrounded on all sides, and they have been couped before in the past. They could've had something better but the West made sure that was not to be.
And paper tiger? Really? Everything you've listed has been pre-WW2, when there was no American empire with a military industrial complex that eclipses all its predecessors - before the US controlled a mass media/propaganda network that spans the globe. This paper tiger since the end of WW2 has bombed, couped, and sanctioned multiple countries and has committed (or has armed people to commit on their behalf) countless atrocities to stop the spread of Communism and to assert their dominance on the globe. The US, for all its failings, especially in recent years, is still a extremely destructive force that shouldn't be underestimated.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
I'm not in the business of providing assurances, it would be wrong to say there are no serious dangers. Yes the paper tiger has bombs, I can assure you the Iranian people are well aware of them. But it is still a paper tiger. It can be disarmed.
I think it would be good to remember where the term came from, and how it was used by Mao.
Chiang Kai-shek, Hitler, Japan, the United States and the atom bomb. I said all allegedly powerful reactionaries are merely paper tigers. The reason is that they are divorced from the people. Look! Wasn't Hitler a paper tiger? Wasn't he overthrown?
Our role is not to remind them of the danger of our imperialist government - our role is to DISARM our imperialist government, as much as possible, in solidarity with their struggle, whatever form it may take.
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
Our role is not to remind them of the danger of our imperialist government - our role is to DISARM our imperialist government, as much as possible, in solidarity with their struggle, whatever form it may take.
Yes, the US imperialist government needs to be disarmed FIRST, so that Iranians can finally make lightyears in their struggle, without the US funding liberal and reactionary groups, and without the US constantly threatening them with war. I'm not speaking on what Iranians should do, but rather what should happen on the West's end.
I'm sure one of the biggest reason the theocratic government has managed to stayed in power is because they've capitalize on this external threat to the fullest. Without this external threat, they will be gone very quickly.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
Yes, the US imperialist government needs to be disarmed FIRST,
I'm not speaking on what Iranians should do
Pick one. I'm not really sure what to make of the first statement if the second statement is also true.
I'm sure one of the biggest reason the theocratic government has managed to stayed in power is because they've capitalize on this external threat to the fullest. Without this external threat, they will be gone very quickly.
Definitely true that they are capitalizing on the external threat.
Without this external threat, they will be gone very quickly.
Possibly true, but unless the Communist Party fights against dictatorship now, how can they be trusted to fight against dictatorship later by the masses of Iranian people?
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u/YungKitaiski Apr 15 '24
Pick one. I'm not really sure what to make of the first statement if the second statement is also true.
I don't know how this is going over your head. I'm simply stating that I'm not supporting destabilizing actions when the main threat hasn't been disarmed.
So it's now chauvinistic to not tell Iranians to risk themselves getting couped like Euromaidan?
Possibly true, but unless the Communist Party fights against dictatorship now, how can they be trusted to fight against dictatorship later by the masses of Iranian people?
Why? Is there some sort of trust/credibility issue the people of Iran have with the Iranian Communists? Why do you have doubts now?
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u/allurecherry Apr 15 '24
Sub is informedtankie, not misinformedtrot
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u/NotPokePreet Apr 15 '24
Worst it's the fed party 🤢
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u/allurecherry Apr 16 '24
Oh, that's right. I forgot Worker's World is the one run by that one maniac. Mixed up with WSWS, my bad
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u/ASocialistAbroad Apr 16 '24
I feel like actual Trotsky would have a much better line on Iran than this junk article.
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Apr 16 '24
they mostly don’t, no
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u/ASocialistAbroad Apr 17 '24
Ah, I found the relevant Trotsky passage:
I will take the most simple and obvious example. In Brazil there now reigns a semifascist regime that every revolutionary can only view with hatred. Let us assume, however, that on the morrow England enters into a military conflict with Brazil. I ask you on whose side of the conflict will the working class be? I will answer for myself personally—in this case I will be on the side of “fascist” Brazil against “democratic” Great Britain. Why? Because in the conflict between them it will not be a question of democracy or fascism. If England should be victorious, she will put another fascist in Rio de Janeiro and will place double chains on Brazil. If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship. The defeat of England will at the same time deliver a blow to British imperialism and will give an impulse to the revolutionary movement of the British proletariat. Truly, one must have an empty head to reduce world antagonisms and military conflicts to the struggle between fascism and democracy. Under all masks one must know how to distinguish exploiters, slave-owners, and robbers!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/09/liberation.htm
So Trotsky did in fact have better takes on anti-imperialism than OP and this People's World article.
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Apr 17 '24
sorry, i thought you said Trotskyists have better takes on imperialism than OP, which is mostly too generous
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u/monsieur_red Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Who in your view is allowed to be called anti-imperialist? This smells like a western leftist running ideological purity tests to see who get to be called as such
Truth is, they resist imperialism more than you. Maybe get real and contribute to the struggle instead of taking away from someone else’s. If there was even 1 party in the whole imperial core which did as much to oppose imperialism as Iran, we would be making a lot more headway
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
Who in your view is allowed to be called anti-imperialist?
I would say those who unite in solidarity against imperialism can be called anti-imperialists.
Iran does not, Iran has national and sectarian interests, and at times these interests align with American Imperialism, at times they do not. E.G. their invasion of Iraq in coordination with American forces aligned, their attack on Israel did not.
Considering them an anti-imperialist force is a naïve assessment, and leads to erroneous understanding of international politics.
This smells like a western leftist running ideological purity tests to see who get to be called as such
It is the international secretary of the Communist Party of Iran.
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u/monsieur_red Apr 15 '24
You seem to have this idealist expectation that Iran must oppose imperialism on some moral or ideological grounds. The fact of the matter is that anyone who has interests aligned against imperialism is anti imperialist in some respect. Anti imperialism is fundamentally a movement based in material reality, and thats all it can ever be. It is not a moral or ideological force
Hamas is also a bourgeois organization which, just like Iran, perhaps at some point our interests will diverge and we will be at odds again. But for the moment we are aligned in our material interests against a common enemy, that is the reality of our historical moment. Politics makes strange bedfellows, sorry 🤷♂️
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u/cutiepegion Apr 16 '24
How is hamas a bourgeois organisation?
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u/monsieur_red Apr 16 '24
They are connected to the Palestinian bourgeoisie and although they don’t have an official economic platform it’s probably very close to the Iranian model. This is due to their origins in the Muslim Brotherhood
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Apr 15 '24
“invasion of iraq in coordination with american forces” please tell the class about this
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Iran has been occupying Iraq alongside American forces since 2014. The exact nature of their cooperation is unknown to the public, but the result has been imperial control of Iraq's resources and sectarian political purges according to the shared policy of "De-ba'athification'. About half of "Iraq's" remaining military forces are sworn to Iran.
Today, American forces have officially withdrawn (Actually, 2,500 remain), but Iraq remains controlled by imperialist interests, and Iran remains in Iraq. So where is the anti-imperialism?
The earliest known cooperation was the Iran-Contra affair, where Iran purchased arms from the US through Israel.
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Apr 15 '24
are we for real with this right now
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
If you don't want to listen to me that's fine. I'm hardly an expert. I encourage you to look into Iran's actual role in the region on your own.
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Apr 15 '24
homie i have and these are some crazy takes
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
I encourage you to share your expertise instead of shrugging me off. I am a member of the Communist Party and I take what people have to say about this seriously.
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Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
i actually don’t have to pretend your dumb bullshit is super serious stuff worth wrestling with, this is reddit not a party meeting. but okay
- “Iran is secretly occupying Iraq” is a fun idea that comes exclusively from US propaganda sources and it is bewildering that you think it’s true. it’s like Saddam’s WMDs
- Iran-Contra is not the gotcha you think it is. after the fall of the Shah, the Iranian govt inherited an arsenal of weapons that were pretty much exclusively US-made and required US-made parts to function. when America, who had previously refused to sell you what you needed to maintain your military, is suddenly like “hey nvm we’ll actually give you that stuff you need” for whatever dumb American reasons, are you gonna be like “nah actually some Western teen on reddit might use that as a gotcha 45 years from now” or are you gonna accept this random blessing? we are materialists bro cmon
- imperialism is not when country does military stuff. imperialism is a global force exclusively maintained by the West for Western interests. Western imperial hegemony vs the rest of the world is currently the primary contradiction of the entire globe. anything that advances American or Western or NATO interests abroad is imperialism, and anything that opposes those interests — no matter who does it — is anti-imperialism and yes, it really is that simple. Russia and China are both anti-imperialist too, in case you were wondering.
- the idea that America and Iran are secret homies is just completely laughable based on every shred of evidence. Iran is one of the most consistent obstacles to American foreign policy at basically every step of the way — not because they’re swell guys, but because American foreign policy is imperialism and that shit sucks for everyone else.
none of this will register with you at all, because you refer to a rag like People’s World as “we” and appear to spend most of your time repeating every bad take the American communist parties have ever had on reddit
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Apr 15 '24
yes it is, dumb article
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
The article is from the Communist Party of Iran. You're going to have to do a little more than call it a "dumb article" to convince me lol.
And foremost among these forces of “political Islam” falsely considered as anti-imperialist by some in left and progressive circles is the Islamic Republic regime in Iran. The reaching of this deeply flawed conclusion involves the convenient ignoring or pushing aside of that regime’s despotic material nature and horrific track record, while fundamentally misunderstanding or misrepresenting its destabilizing, malevolent, and sectarian posturing regionally and internationally.
It is important to note that Iran’s foreign policies in the Middle East region, and consequently its extraterritorial military proxy activities, are predicated on Shia sectarianism and Ayatollah Khomeini’s exhortation to “export the Islamic Revolution.” Aside from running wholly contrary to Iran’s national interests as well as wantonly endangering the Iranian people, this policy bent has proved deeply divisive and unpopular throughout the region and has always manifested to the major detriment of secular, particularly left and progressive, forces.
At every critical juncture in the region’s history over the past 40 years, the Islamic Republic has actively collaborated with U.S. imperialism—including in Afghanistan and Iraq. The theocratic regime’s empty posturing and crocodile tears shed for the plight of the Palestinians is exposed as just that when one considers how Iran has consistently worked to undermine the struggle of secular, left, and progressive Palestinian forces against Israel’s occupation.
Put simply, a truly anti-imperialist alliance cannot be crafted on the defunct logic that goes along the lines of “the enemy of my enemy is therefore my friend!"
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Apr 15 '24
it’s actually from the Tudeh Party, an organization led and run by Iranian expats with little to no actual connection to the Iranian people. the author appears to exclusively write about how dumb and evil Iran is.
honestly typical for People’s World
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
Absolutely insane to refer to the people forced out of Iran by anti-Communist repression as "Expats". Iran is a dictatorship, it allows no anti-dictatorship political forces to publicly exist in it's borders. Since politics are by nature public, of course a fraction of the Communist Party are forced into exile to carry on their political work.
Are you going to engage with the content of what they have to say or nah?
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Apr 15 '24
honestly nah, this is tired stuff. typical People’s World lib stance on America’s enemies and i think we should all be a little past that on “informed tankie”
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
Our stance is that Iran's shallow opposition to American imperialism is based in chauvinistic national interests, which more often align with American imperialism than oppose it. NOT anti-imperialism.
I think people should thoroughly understand anti-imperialism, rather than celebrate that our anti-imperialist interests have superficially aligned with Iran's dictatorship's interests for a brief moment.
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Apr 15 '24
yeah yeah People’s World always has some fancy reason why anti-imperialism from America’s enemies doesn’t actually count
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
This is an opinion article from the Tudeh Party of Iran, not from People's World. Would you rather read it on another paper which has printed it? I believe Morningstar has it.
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Apr 15 '24
when we started this conversation you told me it was from the Communist Party of Iran so frankly i am not finding your contributions to this discussion super valuable
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
The Tudeh Party is the Communist Party of Iran. More or less. The Communist Party was banned, the Tudeh Party took up the mantle under a new name and was also banned but survives underground and in exile.
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u/11SomeGuy17 Apr 15 '24
Yet another certified CPUSA L. Ofcourse Iran is out for itself. That isn't really the question. The question is if this justifies western intervention and the answer is as it always is, no. The west should keep its nose out of the sovereign affairs of other nations. I struggle to think of anytime in which US and western intervention went well outside of WW2 so unless Iran goes full Nazi we should stay out.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
This is a totally different question. Nowhere in the article does the tudeh party advocate for Western intervention, nor does the article serve Western intervention. Tudeh advocates for mass anti-Dictatorship movement.
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Apr 15 '24
anyone with basic knowledge of Marxist theory — in other words, the “informed tankies” that this sub is allegedly made for — should immediately understand that “anti-dictatorship” is meaningless sloganeering
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u/11SomeGuy17 Apr 15 '24
This is one of the most common intervention tricks in the world and people keep falling for it. The west will take real problems that really exist, and use it to justify intervention.
Here is the important thing for us right now as anti imperialists, why now? Why is now the time articles like this drop? Why is now, when Iran is being put under threat by the west and tensions have escalated do all the "principle anti-imperialists" like to come out with their critiques that all so happen to push identical excuses that the corporate media will use to justify invasion.
Its all too clean and easy. When a country is under threat of assault is not the time to try and critique it. Its time to come out with anti war articles. When the major threat passes and war is averted, feel free to say everything you like. But all articles like this will do in the current context is serve as communist branded justification for another bullshit war.
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
You should probably read on Iranian history, considering the communists have been fighting with the Counter revolutionary Clergy regime since the beginning. they were literally suppressed by the Iranian government and backed by the US last second in fear of communist revolution.
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u/11SomeGuy17 Apr 15 '24
I know. However Iranian communists would gain nothing by publishing information like this right now in English. I'm against the Iranian government however its not my job or my country's job to meddle in their affairs. That task is for the communists of Iran. Especially again when Iran is now facing international threat. All publishing this to the west does right now is encourage imperialist actions which me, as a communist in the west needs to fight against. If something like this was published before tensions were flairing it'd be a fine enough piece. Its a matter of timing though.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24
However Iranian communists would gain nothing by publishing information like this right now in English.
Clearly they think they do, since they published information like this right now in English.
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u/11SomeGuy17 Apr 15 '24
Well then either they're just as infiltrated as the CPUSA or wholly incompetent.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 🌽CPUSA 🌽 Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Or you're wrong. One of these three options.
It may be worth asking (literally - e.g. by emailing them) why the party chose to publish this article now.
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u/iHerpTheDerp511 Apr 15 '24
Brilliant summation. It all boils down to want Lenin once said: ”The foremost responsibility of any revolutionary is to combat their own national bourgeoisie”. It is our responsibility as Revolutionaries outside of iran to combat our national bourgeoisie. And it just so happens that, for those of us in the West, our national bourgeoisie happen to also be the international bourgeoisie.
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u/ChampionOfOctober Marxism-Leninism Apr 15 '24
and the Iranian workers' who wrote that article should fight their own bourgeois then.
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u/MrGreatWhiteBear Apr 15 '24
Chauvinismposting already? Guess you gotta strike while the anvil is hot.
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