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r/hiphopheads • u/Army-of-One- • 1d ago
Album of the Year #10: cropscropscrops & Vaygrnt - From Here, Out There
Written by u/Army-of-One-
Artist: cropscropscrops & Vaygrnt
Album: From Here, Out There
Release Date: 25 January 2024 (Deluxe 7 March 2024)
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Background
cropscropscrops is an Ohio-born, Montreal-based rapper and producer, currently making himself known in the abstract & underground scenes through collaborations with names such as Pink Navel (Ruby Yacht) and steel tipped dove (fused arrow records, known for his production and engineering work for Armand Hammer, Fatboi Sharif, Alaska of Atoms Family, & ShrapKnel, among many other names); putting together and releasing three full-lengths albums in the 2024 calendar, he has proven to be as prolific as is he hard to pin down. Enter Vaygrnt, a New York-based producer with an equally abstract and undefined production style, releasing his own instrumental project Sailsongs to cap off an excellent creative year following his collaboration with crops – the short, yet mighty project released this past January, known simply as From Here, Out There.
Review
From Here, Out There is an album by two artists I'd never heard of, which I stumbled across the day it released by pure chance, scrolling deep into the stygian depths of a thread on r/makinghiphop. Intrigued by the description, I clicked the bandcamp link; and to say that I was not expecting to find not only my album of the year, but in my opinion, one of the defining projects of abstract hip-hop released in the first half of this decade, would be a massive understatement. I had to spend my first few weeks with the album really trying to confirm that I was sure about what I was hearing; and safe to say, my friends, I’m definitely sure. Despite being incredibly brief at only 18 minutes and change, I found myself continuously enthralled in the world built around me by the vivid lyrics and placid tone of one cropscropscrops; spoken almost entirely in metaphor, the way these songs conjure imagery in the mind is almost as potent of that of classic 80's text-based adventure games, or perhaps a particularly good novel. Take the opener “arancini from a street vendor”, a two-verse slow burner that ends as cryptically as it does poetically: “my future son’s enigmatic pulls out milk from the fridge / you gonna wake up or keep sleeping it really is what is it is / but if i plot my path there’s some bones i gotta dig / this fragile dinner plate i bought for a couple of bones from a kid”. There's usually no profundity in the banality of something like taking milk out of the fridge, but the way that lyrics like these are expressed across the album makes them hypnotic to me. It's deadpan, quiet, defeated in timbre; but over the crashing snares, glitching electronics and mournful keyboard provided by one Vaygrnt, it leaves you reeling as the track falls off a cliff into the outro just as quickly as it began.
Speaking of, I'll talk about the production on this album before I get into more specific tracks, because it's uniformly incredible. When I usually listen to rapper / producer collaborative projects (even my favourite ones, such as Piñata, PRhyme, Below The Heavens), I'm left with the feeling that while, yes, they may share double-billing on the album and both put in roughly 50% of the work, it's usually up to the rapper to bring the emotional weight to a record, to steer it in a particular direction once the producer has laid the groundwork, and pull the beats together into songs that form a cohesive tracklist. I don't feel that way about From Here, Out There, and part of me wonders if that's half the appeal. When I hear the soundscapes of tracks like “towards the sun” or “my phones recommended photos”, I can equally imagine Vaygrnt pouring sweat and soul into his productions as I can any rapper poring over their notepad, desperate to articulate an internal feeling that manifests itself as anything but words in the mind. Even a relatively simple beat like “coffee stain” after the opener is eye-widening in how starkly dour it is. When I listen to this track, short as it is at 74 seconds, I can almost see the blue colour fading off the album artwork; the sky instantly shifting to grey, each rubbery synth hit landing like a raindrop on the concrete. The lyrics are equally aimless; “where you goin after this, can I follow? / where you goin after this, can I follow?' feels almost like a plea not to be left alone in the downpour. And with a thumping 808 machine-gunning away in the background, there's still a head-nodding grove to it that keeps me coming back.
But I have to dedicate a paragraph to just the third track, “towards the sun”, solely on the merit of how phenomenal it is. Considering it follows “coffee stain”, the most despondent rap song that I've heard this side of Some Rap Songs, it almost gives me whiplash with how fast this beat swirls into a triumphant upwards spiral. I can perfectly envision the synth line cracking the clouds open and bursting the sunlight back through, the rays of light shimmering and sparkling just like the beautiful keyboard embellishments here do. “towards the sun, that's consoling / I got sunk costs from cause and effect / cause all these days end up rolling down that same path. I stay blasé with it” are the first words vocalized above monotone on this album, crops upping his vigour and liveliness to finalize the blinding effect this song has on the senses. It's really a moment I'm struggling to describe, but know it's one of my favourite musical moments of this decade so far, and that's with the excellent glitched-out rest of the verse notwithstanding. We get one more repeat of this serotonin overload at the outro of the song, and just like that it's gone before the 2:30 mark – if you want to hear it again, you gotta run it back.
If it wasn't enough to hit us with a perfect song this early in the tracklist (remember, track 3 starts not even four minutes after you've pressed play on FHOT), we get another perfect one directly after it. “my phones recommended photos” begins with a beautiful vocal loop before the peppiest drums on the album so far start to pepper the track like bullets. I think this song is actually the best example of something I've noticed about Vaygrnt's production, and that's how one-of-a-kind his drums usually sound – I don't know if they're sampled, spliced, warped, ran through tape machines or what, but there's always an extremely specific and wholly unique tambre to his percussion I’ve never heard anywhere else. And speaking of unique; “a foxhole, my big ticket item” is just one of the many distinctive phrases that stick with me from this song. I mean, I totally agree, but I doubt I’d ever put that exact thought together, with those exact words, in that exact order. It's extremely R.A.P. Ferreira coded, but missing completely the tongue-in-cheek wit or mild-superiority complex flavour usually found across Rory's own work. I couldn't even begin to tell you what “the email chain / astigmatism rain” is supposed to mean, but it's a turn of phrase I've had stuck in my head since January, so I'm sure it has to be something. And I haven't even mentioned the best part yet; when we reach the end of the verse, the first beat slowly fades away (mimicking the final words crops says on the track) to make room for an instrumental outro that is simply to die for. This minute-long beat switch right at the end is easily Vaygrnt's strongest showing so far; an incredible and frankly intimidating muscle-flex behind the boards that truly shows what this young producer is capable of, and why your favourite abstract rap producer should be nervously glancing over Vaygrnt's shoulder right now, trying to copy his homework. Serving double duty as a centrepiece to the album (we're already halfway towards the end) I consistently find myself involuntarily turning the volume up to dangerous levels at this part, as the drums continue to rain down like hail, the colossal sound circling and enveloping you completely. There's no point even trying to follow this moment up – the following track “taking a line for a walk” is a much quieter number, entirely drumless for the first minute, the croaky raps from crops barely registering over the static haze and and bare atmosphere. There's some tasteful autotone drenching the final lines of this song, which really bring to life the dejected wailing it closes on; “and I see land ahead... and I'll circle around again”.
The album contines to be a tonal rollercoaster, whilst still staying impressively sonically cohesive. “-2.5 / +2.5” uses an effective repeating mantra to hypnotize the listener - “under water, under construction, under surveillance, under the microscope, under review”, while “takeout” performs similar duty to “towards the sun”. Lifting the energy with much brighter production, a nice In Rainbows reference, and more strangely captivating mild frustrations: “the water bottle stuck in the vending machine, I shake it / but I can never get the god damn thing to fall”. I've never rooted more for a main protagonist dealing with this level of first-world problems; but given that the vending machine, like almost every other line on this album, is likely a metaphor, your interpretive imagination really is the limit with From Here, Out There. Our despondent hero exits this depressive world with the much more traditional-sounding “2 truths & a lie”; a plodding, but no less exciting beat leaves room for crop's most verbose and lyrical song on the album, full of dense rhymes that leave much less space between the lines (at least compared to the very cautious and withheld delivery we’ve grown accustomed to across the length of this record up to this point). It's harder to tell if the story on this track is more literal or figurative; “once in the west of France I was slipping out of some guy's van door / slept on the mattress in place of his back seat” could be an entirely real, or just another imaginative twist on the unremarkable. Either way, it leaves us looking at the future as we leave this realm, as opposed to stuck beneath the cold water we see on this album’s beautiful cover photo. “my philosophy is that back fence gon’ get knocked down in the next storm, so you might as well go over” - well say less, mate. I'll see you on the other side.
5 weeks after the release of this album crops & Vaygrnt saw fit to release a deluxe version of FHOT, bolstering the runtime from 18 to 27 minutes in the form of four more bonus tracks. While FHOT is a bulletproof release in it's own right, and I don't always feel obliged to listen to material tacked unceremoniously onto the end of albums, these cuts are just as great as the main album and I undoubtedly recommend them. My favourite might be “hands”, a joyous, buoyant cut composed of a beautiful looped choir vocal and wonderfully lyrical imagery; “I feed the mustang with my palm flat / a bit more grass has it moving spectacular.” Or it might be “blubird” the solitary instrumental cut, or the fantastic guitar-backed “out of the woods” with a verse from longtime friend & collaborator Static Res, the album’s lone guest feature.
Now extended to album-length, it became even easier for me to crown From Here, Out There as my favourite release of 2024. I've returned to it more than any other project in a year full of serious heavy hitters, diving into it headfirst like how I'd try to get lost in an ambient album; always knowing that when I come back, that climax on “towards the sun” is always going to scratch my brain just as well as it has all year, the outro on “my phones recommended photos” going to swallow me in a whirlwind of ecstatic noise, all of the abstract quotables I've barely scratched the meaning of going to sit unsettlingly with me for even longer. Vaygrnt has seriously outdone some of the biggest producers in the underground this year, on both this and his solo project, while crops has kept the momentum going with not one, but two more projects this June and September, produced in full by stale brick and backwoodz mainstay steel tipped dove respectively. Both of those albums are as short, sweet, and worthy of your time and attention as this, but I think the first one – January's From Here, Out There – came out of the gate swinging the hardest, with the best production, the most captivating performances, and the tightest flow across a tracklist of all three. These two are names to be watching next year, and with plans for a second collaboration for 2025 well in the works, there is no better time to tap in to the new biggest talents in the underground than right now, and no reason to believe it will be of any less quality. Thank you so much for reading.
Favourite Lyrics
- “a field recording of a conversation you once had / while your childhood friend painted stars on your face” - 9. hands
- “the water bottle stuck in the vending machine, I shake it / but I can never get the god damn thing to fall” - 7. takeout
- “an article in the New Yorker pay-walled / but I can see it's 5 ways to break in the safe” - 10. out of the woods feat. Static Res
- “somehow we all end up gridlocked, my x, y axis a fight” - 1. arancini from a street vendor
- “towards the sun, that's consoling” - 3. towards the sun
- "at the end of the road, sits the bend" - 12. boulangerie POM
Talking Points
- Abstract independent rap music has metamorphosised in various ways over the last 20 years, from Def Jux, to Rhymesayers, to Hellfyre Club, and most recently we find backwoodz studios waving the flag for the subgenre. With it clearly inspiring music as good as this, do you think we will see more artists emerging in this vein than we have before, or will it continue to be a relatively closed-off club?
- have you ever found a decent album through reddit? Do you usually keep your ear to ground for smaller artists, or is there simply too much noise to cut through?
- Why the hell do almost half of these songs still have less than 1,000 Spotify streams? ):<
- Vaygrnt, if you're reading this, I'm sure I got all the descriptions of your instruments wrong - it's only because I couldn't produce my way out of a wet paper bag. Sorry mate.
Thanks again for reading.
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1. Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 978m
2. ¥$ - CARNIVAL (ft. Rich the Kid & Playboi Carti) 654m
3. Future x Metro Boomin - Like That (ft. Kendrick Lamar) 627m
4. 21 Savage - redrum 609m
5. Eminem - Houdini 526m
6. Future x Metro Boomin - Type Shit (ft. Travis Scott & Playboi Carti) 444m
7. Central Cee - BAND4BAND (ft. Lil Baby) 371m
8. Hanumankind - Big Dawgs (ft. Kalmi) 341m
9. Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 330m
10. Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 326m
11. Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 316m
12. Gunna - one of wun 298m
13. Don Toliver - Bandit 290m
14. Yeat - If We Being Real 255m
15. Megan Thee Stallion - Mamushi (ft. Yuki Chiba) 221m
16. GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 218m
17. 21 Savage - née-nah (ft. Travis Scott & Metro Boomin) 209m
18. Future x Metro Boomin - Cinderella (ft. Travis Scott) 209m
19. Nicki Minaj - FTCU 208m
20. Kendrick Lamar - luther (ft. SZA) 204m
21. ¥$ - BURN 202m
22. Yeat - Breathe 194m
23. BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 194m
24. Sexyy Redd - Get It Sexyy 186m
25. Quavo x Lana Del Rey - Tough 183m
26. Don Toliver - NEW DROP 182m
27. Don Toliver - TORE UP 173m
28. Gunna - on one tonight 171m
29. Drake - Push Ups 170m
30. Ice Spice - Did It First (ft. Central Cee) 168m
31. ¥$ - FUK SUMN (ft. Playboi Carti & Travis Scott) 168m
32. 21 Savage - prove it (ft. Summer Walker) 161m
33. GloRilla - Wanna Be (ft. Megan Thee Stallion) 160m
34. Tyler, the Creator - Sticky (ft. GloRilla, Sexyy Redd & Lil Wayne) 155m
35. Tyler, the Creator - Like Him (ft. Lola Young) 146m
36. Kendrick Lamar - tv off (ft. Lefty gunplay) 146m
37. Nicki Minaj - Everybody (ft. Lil Uzi Vert) 141m
38. Tyler, the Creator - St. Chroma (ft. Daniel Caesar) 141m
39. GloRilla - TGIF 133m
40. Ken Carson - overseas 133m
41. The Kid LAROI - GIRLS 132m
42. Kendrick Lamar - squabble up 130m
43. Playboi Carti - ALL RED 130m
44. 21 Savage - n.h.i.e. (ft. Doja Cat) 129m
45. Drake - Family Matters 128m
46. Future x Metro Boomin - We Still Don’t Trust You (ft. The Weeknd) 128m
47. The Kid LAROI - BABY IM BACK 127m
48. Kendrick Lamar - meet the grahams 125m
49. 21 Savage - all of me 123m
50. Megan Thee Stallion - Neva Play (ft. RM) 122m
51. Mustard - Parking Lot (ft. Travis Scott) 114m
52. Gunna - Prada Dem (ft. Offset) 112m
53. Y$ - FIELD TRIP (ft. Don Toliver, Playboi Carti & Kodak Black) 109m
54. Megan Thee Stallion - HISS 109m
55. Future x Metro Boomin - Young Metro (ft. The Weeknd) 109m
56. Lil Tecca - Down With Me 106m
57. Ice Spice - Think U The Shit 106m
58. Juice WRLD - Lace It (ft. Eminem & benny blanco) 104m
59. Future x Metro Boomin - We Don’t Trust You 103m
60. Eminem - Tobey (ft. BabyTron & Big Sean) 101m
61. Tyler, the Creator - Darling, I (ft. Teezo Touchdown) 98m
62. ¥$ - BACK TO ME (ft. Freddie Gibbs) 98m
63. Lil Yachty - A Cold Sunday 98m
64. Tyler, the Creator - NOID 95m
65. NLE Choppa - SLUT ME OUT 2 95m
66. Ian - Magic Johnson 94m
67. Eminem - Fuel (ft. JID) 92m
68. $uicideboy$ - Us Vs. Them 89m
69. Gunna - hakuna matata 88m
70. Tyler, the Creator - Rah Tah Tah 88m
71. EBK Jaaybo - Boogieman 87m
72. Ken Carson - ss 86m
73. Eminem - Somebody Save Me (ft. Jelly Roll) 84m
74. Nicki Minaj - Needle (ft. Drake) 83m
75. Moneybagg Yo - WHISKEY WHISKEY (ft. Morgan Wallen) 80m
76. Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday Girls 79m
77. Lil Tecca - Number 2 79m
78. GloRilla - WHATCHU KNOW ABOUT ME (ft. Sexyy Red) 78m
79. Drake - Circadian Rhythm 77m
80. ¥$ - DO IT (ft. YG) 76m
81. Don Toliver - BROTHER STONE (ft. Kodak Black) 76m
82. Drake - It’s Up (ft. Young Thug & 21 Savage) 75m
83. KSI - Thick Of It (ft. Trippie Redd) 74m
84. ¥$ - STARS 74m
85. $uicideboy$ - Are You Going to See the Rose in the Vase, or the Dust on the Table 74m
86. Kendrick Lamar - wacced out murals 73m
87. $uicideBoy$ - The Thin Grey Line 73m
88. 21 Savage - sneaky 72m
89. Don Toliver - Attitude (ft. Charlie Wilson & Cash Cobain) 72m
90. J. Cole - Huntin Wabbitz 72m
91. Tyler, the Creator - Thought I Was Dead (ft. ScHoolboy Q & Santigold) 71m
92. NLE Choppa - Or What (ft. 41) 71m
93. 21 Savage - should’ve wore a bonnet (ft. Brent Faiyaz) 70m
94. BossMan Dlow - Get In With Me 68m
95. Kendrick Lamar - hey now (ft. dody6) 67m
96. Future x Metro Boomin - Fried (She a Vibe) 67m
97. Shoreline Mafia - HEAT STICK 67m
98. BossMan Dlow - Talk My Shit 66m
99. J. Cole - H.Y.B. (ft. Bas & Central Cee) 66m
100. Cardi B - Enough (Miami) 65m
Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3p4EanS6WINLyGDRc5XJQm?si=8GRdPMh-T_G4HaNl8eRXPg&pi=a--9k22dsRTZaA
Additional Stats:
Most Songs on the List:
1. Kendrick Lamar 8
2. ¥$ 7
3. Future x Metro Boomin 7
4. 21 Savage 7
5. Tyler, the Creator 7
Most Features on the List:
1. Travis Scott 5
2. Playboi Carti 4
3. Central Cee 2
4. The Weeknd 2
5. Kodak Black 2
6. Sexyy Redd 2
Rappers who Appeared on Last Years List but Didn’t This Year:
Dave
Lil Durk
Jack Harlow
Kaliii
ODETARI
J-Hope
Toosii
Lil Mabu
NF
Young Nudy
J Hus
That Mexican OT
Destroy Lonely
Rod Wave
Aaliyah’s Interlude
Memphis Cult
Lyrical Lemonade
DaBaby
Tiakola
Rappers Appearing on the List for the First Time:
Hanumankind
Bryson Tiller
Jordan Adetunji
BigXthaPlug
Lana Del Ray
Ken Carson
ian
$uicideBoy$
EBK Jaaybo
BossMan Dlow
Shoreline Mafia
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