r/Global_News_Hub • u/justin_quinnn • 1d ago

Brutal Israeli attacks hit Gaza as ceasefire talks ‘deadlocked’

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/28221
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u/toddmargaret1974 1d ago

The Israelis don’t want a ceasefire. They want to continue genocide. Zionist Scum.

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

lol it’s an entire country full of diverse opinions

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u/Stocksnsoccer 1d ago

But 94% of those opinions are “keep going”. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-783849

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

Nowhere in that article does it say 94% are “keep going”

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u/Stocksnsoccer 1d ago

94% of Jewish Israelis in that article believe the amount of destruction in Gaza was enough or not enough. Only 6% thought it was too much.

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

The question asked “appropriate use of force” not “is the amount of destruction in Gaza enough”

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u/Stocksnsoccer 1d ago

That’s the same thing. The use of force resulted in the destruction of Gaza. If you asked me if I thought the “use of force” in Auschwitz was enough I wouldn’t assume you were talking about batons. It’s pretty understandable exactly what you’re referring to and you’d have to be wilfully obtuse and dishonest to pretend otherwise.

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

No lol that’s absolutely not true when you’re referring to an ongoing WAR as a consequence of an invasion. No shit they are going to overwhelmingly vote that the use of force is legitimate- it’s a response to eradicate the opposing army of militants that are holding their countries hostages. Supporting destruction is not the same as supporting the use of force to achieve your military objective, and I would argue that you would actually be not only obtuse but also purposefully misleading to cleverly switch the wording of the poll for no apparent reason? I think a war example is likely more apt- like the US overwhelmingly supporting the war in Iraq post 9/11, not a death camp for Jews lol

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u/Stocksnsoccer 1d ago

The level of force is what is being questioned, not whether force at all is being used - not just the use of force. An important distinction, because “level” is what implies the destruction.

A whole lotta “diversified opinions” when you’re basically justifying a genocide in this comment lmao. Palestinians are in a death camp now. Stop pretending it’s a war.

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

The poll literally says “use of force” not “level”. That’s fine lol if you can’t defend your point it’s always easy to just point and say genocide defender.

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u/Zestyclose_Pirate890 14h ago

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

- 39 % of Israelis think Israel's have "done about right"

- 34% of Israelis think they "have not gone far enough"

- Only 4% ethnic Jews in Israel thinks Israel have "gone too far"

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u/BeaverTaxi 14h ago

Lol this poll was 7 months ago- before any of Hamas + hezbollah top leadership was eliminated.

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u/k40z473 1d ago

Yet, all Israelis of age must do military service. The idf perpetuates colonialism, apartheid and genocide. All nazis are guilty but not all idf?

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u/BeaverTaxi 1d ago

I’m sorry, are you implying that because of a compulsory military draft, you’re implying that it’s not a country full of diverse opinions? Your comment is not engaging with my point at all

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u/Infinite-Salt4772 19h ago

Most of said country follows the same racist, genocidal ideology.

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u/BeaverTaxi 19h ago

According to you?

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u/Infinite-Salt4772 18h ago

According to them.

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u/BeaverTaxi 18h ago

Oh my bad I missed the majority of Israelis saying that

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u/Infinite-Salt4772 18h ago

You’ll find them. They’re really open about it.

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u/BeaverTaxi 18h ago

The majority of Israelis are very open about being genocidal? Why are you trying to dehumanize millions of people lol

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u/redelastic 1d ago

To be fair, there are diverse opinions in Israel - some think they should shoot Palestinian children in the head whereas others think they should blow them up.

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Why don’t we return the hostages and see what happens.

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

Netanyahu says it won't end the war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/touring-gaza-pm-vows-hamas-wont-return-to-power-offers-5-million-for-hostages/

Why doesn't Israel accept a deal and release the Palestinian hostages? The IDF "rescue operations" have killed more hostages than they have rescued.

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Right - releasing innocent civilians and babies who were kidnapped is not consistent with Hamas MO. What deal should Israel accept? One that leaves Hamas in power to strike again (which is what they have publicly said they would do)?

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

I see that the goalposts have been moved. You're trying very hard to deflect blame from Israel for the ongoing genocide.

Perhaps a deal to release the thousands of innocent Palestinian hostages Israel is torturing in its prisons.

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/262/79/pdf/n2426279.pdf

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

Children included.

https://defenceforchildren.org/hrc53-side-event-childhood-in-captivity-palestinian-children-arbitrarily-detained-in-israeli-prisons/

And, of course, maybe an end to the colonisation of Palestine. This is generally what makes anti-colonialist resistance stop fighting.

I am not sure what you expect from Hamas. Why should they release the hostages when Israel is holding thousands of Palestinians hostage in horrific conditions and is actively committing genocide against their people while refusing to negotiate?

I'm against all hostage-taking, but it's not Hamas who are holding the most innocent hostages at the moment.

Also, once again, the IDF has killed more hostages than it has rescued. The only time Israel has released a significant number of hostages was when it made a deal with Hamas a few months ago. But of course, the israeli government doesn't want to save the hostages, they want to continue their genocide.

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Wait wait - Hamas is holding an infant. And you say Hamas isn’t holding the most innocent hostages?? You’re kidding, right?

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

By "the most", I meant "the higher number".

Most of the remaining dozens of Israeli hostages held by Hamas are innocent, but so are most of the thousands of Palestinian hostages held by Israel.

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Most? Hamas captured people indiscriminately. Babies and grandparents. I honestly think you’re crazy if you’re making an equivalency here.

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

Just like Israel, only Israel did it without provocation and on a much larger scale. Have you read any of the articles I linked to about the suffering of the thousands of innocent Palestinian hostages? It really looks like you haven't.

But perhaps you'll argue that the Palestinian children deserve to be tortured. Someone said this to me unironically in another discussion.

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Let’s move the goalposts back. Have Hamas offered to return all the hostages?

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

Well yes, that's the idea behind taking hostages.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjv5rrqz6

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u/kookoomunga24 1d ago

Oh I said return. Not exchange for prisoners. Return in order to stop the war. Hamas took innocent hostages and a war started, it stands to reason returning them might end it. Ah, reason. My mistake for using that word.

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u/Justavisitor-0538 1d ago

So your argument is that we should accept that Israel has the right to torture innocent Palestinians, including children, but when Hamas takes hostages to do an exchange (which is also bad, by the way, just much less so because they haven't taken nearly as many hostages), Israel has the right to genocide Gaza?

Why do you say it will end the genocide? Netanyahu said the bloodshed will continue anyway, it's in the first article I linked to.

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u/Bleak_sky 1d ago

I am admittedly...a coward. I'm scared of being killed.

Every fiber of my being wants to help these people. I'm a 34M nurse with ER experience. But I have no clue how to help. Going into an active war zone is suicide and out of the question.

My heart aches for these people. I'd bring every kid into my house if I could. Nobody deserves this.

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u/EZRGENG 1d ago

Trust me, that view of yours does not make you a coward, in fact it’s the opposite. The cowards are the people who see what’s going on and don’t bat an eye

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u/Bleak_sky 1d ago

I'm an American Muslim (white) married to an Arab woman. With mixed kids.

My kids are 1 & 3, and look like these kids. I feel like maybe I fall under propaganda. I try not to. But, the story posted here a few days ago really just...pushed everything over the edge.

A story from IDF soldiers, who personally watched their commander break the arms and legs of a 3 year old playing in the sand, then stomp (and I assume murder) this CHILD.

I pray that God gives these disgusting people what they deserve in the next life. I just can't comprehend how anyone can see a child and do that. Any child.

I start physically shaking from anger when I think about it now. I would kill someone, no questions asked if this happened to my kids. I want to help them so bad, and it just makes no sense to me why my country (US) backs these monsters.

Actually stop supplying weapons, place sanctions and this would stop overnight. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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u/Interesting-Wind6015 1d ago

it just makes no sense to me why my country (US) backs these monsters.

The American political apparatus is fully controlled

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u/yamumwhat 1d ago

The real cowards are the perpetrators of the genocide

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u/sl3eper_agent 1d ago

Healthcare workers who willingly enter Gaza are heroes, but ultimately the only way to end the genocide is to pressure Israel to stop it themselves, and the only way to do that outside of Israel is to pressure your local government to pressure Israel

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u/Niexh 1d ago

By design

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u/Careless-Lead5949 1d ago

Please use Arab.org to donate to Palestine and other causes for free! Your donation can save a life!

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u/MTG_Leviathan 1d ago

By funding rockets and guns to shoot starving Palestinians who take aid from the UN? Hard pass thanks.