Do conservatives know who they voted for?

[u/kevisdahgod]

Like genuinely there is drama in there spaces every week.

First it was the war over Matt Gaetz and Dr. Oz pick.

Now it Elon and Vivek who have revealed their roots causing another controversy to spark and there is so much racism, I can’t even take it seriously.

Here’s a direct quote from the comments that has 150+ upvotes.

“This is the arrogant BS you hear from Indians in Silicon Valley, yet it takes an American supervising engineer to manage a team of them or several Indians to be as productive of one quality American. Because they will work for so much less, however, they are often hired instead of Americans. What has Trump said about this issue? Vivek is going to piss off the base if he keeps talking like that”

Is this reality we are living in?

Did they think the guys who benefit from immigrant labor would actually be anti immigration. Half of the time they are complaining about the establishment and billionaire elitists. Like I genuinely don’t understand who they think they voted for.

Why would trump care about this? He is literally best friends with mark and Zack. He gave up on lowering grocery prices before he even got into office. His two running mates don’t care to stop immigration in manufacturing like he promised. Every grocery store said prices would raise cause of tariffs.

Today there was a thread where they out right admitted trump isn’t conservative and is a populist. How many golfing matches does he need to play on American time for them to realize they don’t need to vote for him.

This is a man who is known for lying and isn’t even in their political belief and immediately gave up on all his promises, why are they so loyal?

This election has taught me that the republican base is MUCH more loyal than the democratic base. Republicans will vote no matter what but democrats won’t vote if they feel unsatisfied.

[u/Ariesmafiaaa]

They voted for “owning the libs” and because “I don’t wanna vote for a Democrat”.

[u/thetruechevyy1996 → u/Ariesmafiaaa]

They used to have shirts that said rather be a Russian than Democrat.

[u/HAHAGOODONEAUTHOR → u/thetruechevyy1996]

And I'd rather be American than Republican.

[u/thetruechevyy1996 → u/HAHAGOODONEAUTHOR]

Same with me

[u/kevisdahgod → u/Ariesmafiaaa]

Don’t forget DEI.

[u/PrincessofAldia → u/kevisdahgod]

And the “woke mind virus”

[u/Politicsboringagain]

When you realize the things people who vote for Trump, say on camera aren't the real reason they voted for Trump, it all makes sense.

Just look at the Angel Resse and Catlin Clarke situation. 

Look at the reaction to thr conservatives who spoke up when Clarke basically said she likes and respect Black WNBA ball players. 

That's why they voted Trump. So they don't have to be "Woke" anymore. And no the polls aren't going to say it because people lie on polls.  Of course it's not all, but it's far more than people want to believe. 

[u/hallofromtheoutside → u/Politicsboringagain]

We've been saying it's the racism all along but for some reason people don't wanna see it.

I hope MVP is having a good laugh somewhere.

[u/Politicsboringagain → u/hallofromtheoutside]

Unfortunately, as has been the case since the beginning of the country, even people who say they are allies with Black people refuse to believe how deep the racism goes in this country.

Hell even with men and some women thinking women are inferior to men is baked into the country. 

It's literally built into the foundation in our country, and that includes the guiding document of the country that some people worship like a holy book, the US constitution. 

Everyone wants to talk about polls this and polls that, as if someone racist or even sexist asshole is going to write in a poll "I'm a sexist and or sexist piece of human trash". 

Almost no one wears that kind of ideology on their sleeves like they use to once upon a time. Hell, even KKK members will say "I'm not a racist, I'm a race realist" 

[u/EagleBeaverMan → u/Politicsboringagain]

I had this deep, deep feeling of unease when watching a lot of the Bulwark’s focus group podcasts, because when they were talking to “swing voters”, I saw a lot of side-mouthing and people talking about how they don’t like “woke ideology”, a talking point that didn’t really come out when Biden was running but did when the ticket changed. I was like “oh, that’s a racist who is engaging in stated vs revealed preferences right now.” I genuinely think that this country is further to the right and more racist now than it was in 2008, but people either can’t or don’t want to see it because even garden variety racists have figured out how to couch their language in conservative buzzwords and criticism of certain policies instead of the racism itself. Instead of saying “I hate black people” they can say “I’m not racist, I just hate the woke universities/DEI/affirmative action/whatever”. I don’t know how you tackle this sort of issue honestly, in a post-truth society where people won’t even be honest with themselves about what they really believe it’s arguably harder to combat racism than when it’s more overt.

[u/Politicsboringagain → u/EagleBeaverMan]

 

Instead of saying “I hate black people” they can say “I’m not racist, I just hate the woke universities/DEI/affirmative action/whatever”.

Which isn't even a new tactics.

Lee Atwater talked about this 43 years ago. But people want to act line they don't understand that people now and days don't outright say they hate black people , or women, or Gay people, or trans people. 

Like you said, they say DEI, or they are protecting the children, or they are protecting women's bathrooms or girls sports, etc. 

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N, n, n.” By 1968 you can’t say “n”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n, n". 

Sub out N with women, gay, trans, or even immigrant and you understand why many if not most people voted for Trump. 

[u/EagleBeaverMan → u/Politicsboringagain]

The Southern Strategy is definitely alive once again, but I feel like it’s even more pernicious now because 1) even garden variety Americans who happen to be racist hide their power levels and have caught onto how to use dogwhistles to avoid social consequences for their beliefs, whereas the original Southern strategy was a way for conservative intelligencia to launder their ideas to a middle class brimming with subconscious bias but not overt racism like the GOP base was still spouting in the 70’s, and 2) they’re not even talking about specific policies anymore, just a general vibe of wokeness they feel pervades current society. Like you can’t even point to things like forced busing of yesterday or any current policies of today and go “Kamala didn’t actually believe that” or “no Democrat has that position, that’s a right wing psyop” or even “that policy isn’t actually bad, here’s why” because they’re not pointing at anything specific, they’re just pointing to pop culture and politics and going “woke.” It’s fucking infuriating.

[u/Maverick721 → u/Politicsboringagain]

Yep, is what we call "Saying the Quiet Part Out Loud"

[u/drunkenpossum]

Short answer: No they don’t.

Long answer: Most American’s media diet comes from blatantly partisan and disinformation-filled sources. Fox News for example plays only the most flattering clips of Trump and portray him as a genius. They don’t report on the crazy shit he says or does. There are a huge portion of Americans that watch Fox News everyday, go on a Facebook and consume content from other Facebook friends that also only watch Fox News all day.

[u/thetruechevyy1996 → u/drunkenpossum]

Sadly the truth. They also don’t take in new facts and when confronted will claim it’s all Liberal bias

[u/Senzo__]

they make up their own view of what Trump believes and ignore everything they don't like from him or play it off by saying "he's just joking" for any position they don't like.

[u/kevisdahgod → u/Senzo__]

That’s what I see too

Trump says something I don’t like: He’s joking

Trump says something I do like: he’s serious

[u/Senzo__ → u/kevisdahgod]

It's bizarre behavior. Some of them are clearly lost in his "aura" so they act weird and will twist and turn to defend him. Others are clearly not telling you the full truth of why they vote for him, I dislike these the most.

[u/kevisdahgod → u/Senzo__]

It leads to this odd situation where trump becomes easy to defend, whenever Biden says something crazy it’s national tv, whenever trump says something crazy it’s an average day. So when he says unhinged things that deserve criticism like attacking Canada our biggest ally or finishing Gaza they can laugh it off.

[u/BerningDevolution → u/kevisdahgod]

Trump says something I don’t like: He’s joking

Trump says something I do like: he’s serious

I've been pointing this out for months now. It's so strange the double standard he gets held, too.

[u/NeonPhyzics]

No.

They don’t care either.

They wanted to “own duh libz”

He hates who they hate

His voters didn’t vet anything because Trump had no platform

[u/Ok-Quiet-4212]

I genuinely believe they don’t know. Logic and rational arguments from MAGA are completely nonexistent. It’s like “I voted for lower grocery/gas prices, but also for the guy who said he’d raise tariffs and therefore raise prices. I want lower prices but I’m okay with raising prices.” Does that make logical sense?? When it comes down to it, they pretty much voted for racism/sexism/revenge.

[u/ol_kentucky_shark → u/Ok-Quiet-4212]

It’s like the people who sing the praises of the ACA but hate “Obamacare”

[u/Morshu-Moment]

[u/LeftyRambles2413]

I really don’t think they do or they rationalize it. They claim liberals look down on them but it was Trump not MVP who said chicken could be autoworkers. Anyhow I’m loving MAGA finding out that their leaders think low of them.

[u/inshamblesx]

no because the propaganda outlets that were being used from july-october aren’t needed again until april or so

[u/Lycanthrowrug]

They voted for chaos, hoping it would turn out in their favor.

[u/drewbaccaAWD]

Trump: “No more bullshit.” Trump: “Drain the swamp.”

I’m starting to notice a pattern of opposities.

[u/torontothrowaway824]

No it’s very simple they have no clue what they voted for because of social media brain rot. They have never seen the real Trump, the senile doddering old man who’s unhinged and crazy. This was a meme election. These people don’t understand policy, don’t understand how any works and they have pretty much just been turned into zombies voting for Republicans through right wing propaganda and foreign influence campaigns. People who actually followed politics overwhelmingly voted for Harris.

[u/dzendian]

Honestly, the first point, in tech, I’ve found to be mostly true.

I’ve also had several Indian-born/educated professors break down why they think that is and it goes something like this: “if I want a problem solved at the A-level and it has been done before or an equation exists, I’m giving it to my Indian workers. If I have a problem that hasn’t been solved before, I’m giving it to my American workers”.

Please note that “American workers” could even refer to even second generation American born indian-American workers. I’ve never taken that to mean “white” workers. Seriously.

My Indian profs that have echoed this then go on to describe the difference in primary and secondary education in the USA vs India.

Personally, as a lead software engineer, I would rather have as many differences as possible within my team. That gives the team a wide skillset. My team right now has Indians, Chinese, Africans (literally from Africa), a guy from Chile, a guy from Colombia, Turkey, and Russia. It’s fascinating seeing the educational focus from each person.

But I do notice that I have to teach Indians on my team how to actually solve brand new problems and I have to teach the Americans on my team how to actually finish a project.

[u/aelfwine_widlast → u/dzendian]

I don’t think MAGA views it as a culture issue. Vivek already tried that argument and they pounced on him.

It’s a xenophobic populist movement. The “one of the good ones” quota has already been filled.

[u/Leopold_Darkworth]

It will likely get worse. Quite a bit of vitriol spewed from MAGA World when they realized JD Vance's wife is an immigrant from one of those countries! and his children are not pure, lily-white German-American babies.

[u/2manyfelines]

Yes, it is. We elected a felon who is also a rapist

[u/rightioushippie]

This is the drama they paid for to distract everyone from the looting of the American government 

[u/alphuscorp]

Coming to the door

[u/jml510]

Trump's critics know him far better than his actual fans.