r/Enough_Sanders_Spam • u/Desecr8or • 2d ago
Maybe the most self-aware Luigi fanboy yet.
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u/Nikoniortnike Social Liberal 1d ago
"we've seen the politics of the guys who actually tried to take Trump out and they were baffling and contradictory. Clearly something about that philosophy seems to inspire way more action than all of our anxious whisperings on twitter."
It's not a philosophy that lead them to commit those crimes dipshit, it's called mental illness.
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u/LiquidSnape Pritzker 28 1d ago
yeah that first guy basically just wanted to assassinate a person
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 2d ago edited 2d ago
thankyouforthefunny is unaware that the murder is not a net positive for society.
It's obvious to me now that Mr. Mangione can do no wrong in his stans' eyes. He was outed as a libertarian and possibly sexist tech bro and they don't seem to care.
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u/HuskyBobby 1d ago
Why would they? Bernie Bros are just former Ron Paul stans and sexist trust fund kids.
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u/PiusTheCatRick 1d ago
In all fairness, the rest of Reddit seems stubbornly unaware of that fact too.
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u/mercfan3 1d ago
I don’t think it’s good what he did. You don’t kill people.
However - I also don’t think it’s extreme or honestly all that evil compared to violent acts committed every day. People kill people for far smaller reasons. Shit, a man just set a woman on fire just because he felt like it.
So it’s odd that Killing the CEO of a company that actively hurts people for profit is seen as both extreme (it’s not) and either a huge moral failure or action. (It’s not either of those either)
It isn’t anything of the sort. It’s the natural reaction of a society in love with violence where a powerful few are taking advantage of the rest of us.
Luigi isn’t a villain or a hero. He’s a natural consequence to people who haven’t faced them.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 1d ago edited 1d ago
You contradict yourself. You write that killing is wrong, but further down you write that what he did was not a moral failure. Huh? Sounds like you have a grudging respect for the guy but can't bring yourself to admit it.
The reason why Mr. Brows is getting more attention than other murderers is because they are not handsome white men of privilege with a huge online following. I'm annoyed that the people who normally call out the uplifting of men like this are giving him a pass.
I would argue that pre-meditated murder (Luigi's crime) is more evil than murder that is not pre-mediated.
The denial of claims is not meant to kill but to save money. You can argue the ethics of UHC policy, but you can't call the deaths of their customers intentional.
Um, Mangione, just like Thompson, had the resources to pay medical bills. The willful ignorance of Mangione's wealth is another thing that annoys me about this case.
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u/MURICCA 1d ago
Well, yes. That's the entire point.
It's no more or less extreme or evil than other murderers.
Murder is murder, and murder is bad.
If we can simply acknowledge that and move on, then that's perfect.
The problem is people aren't doing that
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u/mercfan3 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean I disagree 😂
Who you kill and why you kill them matters.
Killing is bad
But I think we’d all agree that a soldier in WW2 killing Nazis is different than the person who shot up a classroom.
Similarly, I think this CEO - who made a career of sending people to their death beds for profit is worse than what Luigi did.
Again..that is not to say Luigi should have done it. But just to say I understand why, and it’s morally superior to what this CEO did - and what a lot of other killers do.
And although some people’s reaction is borderline scary. And he shouldn’t be idolized. I don’t particularly agree with the opposite tone the board has taken either. Like this idea that this was the work of a crazy person who had no real reason to do what he did…no..not quite. It’s no different to someone trying to assassinate Trump. Like..you shouldn’t do it, but I also get it
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u/MURICCA 1d ago
Yes, there's lesser degrees of murder. There are circumstances for every crime that will get you a lesser charge or lighter sentence, sure.
We still convict them and lock them up, and don't heap praise upon them. We also try to discourage other people from doing similar actions. That's how the rule of law works.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 1d ago
Mangione committed pre-meditated murder which is first-degree in many states. To me, that level of murder is the worst.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 1d ago edited 1d ago
I can see you voting for not guilty if you were on the jury (jury nullification) because you see the victim as a murderer. Thompson's actions did not meet the legal definition of murder. He did not wield his fists or weapon to kill nor did he hire a hitman.
I find it offensive that you bring up Nazis in a discussion about an insurance executive. UHC did not commit genocide. Please don't minimize the Holocaust by bringing it up in a discussion about this case.
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u/mercfan3 17h ago
I see you struggle with reading comprehension.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 10h ago
Can you elaborate instead of being rude? It figures that someone who sort of excuses the actions of this killer would write something like this.
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u/mercfan3 8h ago
First, you were rude. Suggesting I don’t understand law and making a personal attack (I have a JD, btw 😂) maybe if you don’t like personal comments aimed at you, don’t do it yourself.
Second, no one got compared to Nazis. That’s the reading comprehension part. The point was that yes, all killing is bad - but some killing is worse than other killing.
And in this case, Luigi physically killed one man - who was responsible for and significantly profited off of the death and suffering of thousands of Americans (the figure I saw was 70K per year).
I can’t stand Sanders, and I don’t want Medicare for all, (I want a public option) but our system doesn’t have to be like this, and we need to see a company that behaves this way as violent - and hold those who profit off of harming others accountable.
Likewise, though Murder is absolutely wrong. And vigilante justice is not how society should function - Luigi did not kill some innocent man for no reason. He killed a man who is responsible for significant pain, suffering, and death. And I’m not going to pretend that isn’t the case, just because “murder is bad.”
So again, my stance is “that isn’t how society should function, but I get it and I don’t feel bad for the CEO.”
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 7h ago
What Thompson did was not as bad as pre-meditated murder. I stand by that statement.
You didn't make a direct comparison between UHC and the Nazis, true, but your mind did connect UHC policy to the Third Reich and I see that as extreme. I cant be the only one who thinks this.
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u/mercfan3 6h ago
We can agree to disagree about the morality of the CEO vs Luigi.
Again - no. That isn’t how analogies work.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 1d ago edited 1d ago
What are you going to say if Mangione switches his plea to not guilty by reason of insanity or pleads mental instability? There is a reason why he cut off contact with friends and family one year before the shooting.
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u/GetInTheBasement 1d ago
I love how people are treating Mama Luigi like he's the first person in American history to ignite a conversation about healthcare, ever.
Just sudden collective amnesia and people acting like no one has ever discussed or tried to tackle healthcare reform before in American history at any point.
Every day I wake up and deeply resent the fact I have to suffer long-term for the political ignorance of these utter and complete dipshits.
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u/MURICCA 1d ago
Well yeah, because people stopped spamming "healthcare pls" so they could spam stuff about student loans, then when student loans got forgiven they kinda floundered about until they figured they can spam "free palestine" and "genocide joe" everywhere.
So they kinda did forget about healthcare.
Oh yeah, and also we actually did something about insulin so their favorite talking point actually got solved and they needed time to re-calibrate, lmao
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