r/Enough_Sanders_Spam • u/champdo • Sep 07 '24
Trump, who I do not support Just endorse Trump already Sarah
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u/purposefullyblank Sep 07 '24
They’re acting like the Harris campaign sought out a Cheney endorsement instead of Liz Cheney just saying words out there on her own. It’s such old hat.
“This person I hate said they will vote for this candidate, ergo this candidate is the same as this person I hate,” is an excellent logical fallacy, but a terrible political analysis.
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u/ZooterOne Sep 07 '24
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there were behind-the-scenes talks with them. Dubya too (I feel like he'll endorse Harris in the next couple of weeks).
But the idea that Harris, or any of the Dems, need to capitulate to them is nonsense. Conservatives who endorse Harris aren't saying they like her policies; they're just trying to dump trump.
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u/DeathByTacos Sep 07 '24
Exactly, a large portion of R’s endorsing Harris have explicitly come out saying “this isn’t about policy, I disagree with Harris on a lot of issues, it’s about the preservation of our democracy and making sure this guy never gets near the levers of power again”.
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u/Ordinary-Drawing987 Sep 07 '24
And like, 'addresses problems in ways I disagree with'>> 'can barely elect a leader and focuses mainly on bullshit'
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u/your_not_stubborn Sep 07 '24
W endorsing Harris would be a net negative in my mind.
However if W came out and said the entire Republican slate is unworkable and Republicans all the way down ballot need to lose, that would significantly alter the Texas 2024 electoral outlook.
Either way, I'm still scarred by the Bush years and myself and many more activitists than people realize got our starts organizing against post-9/11 Bush worship, which felt every bit as ugly as Trumpism. I wouldn't be excited about W making any sort of endorsement like this.
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u/pop-101 Sep 07 '24
I believe he's said he won't endorse anyone this season (bc he's a spineless prick) but yeah if he did I would way rather him focus on Texas races than go national.
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u/GloriousPancake Madam Governor 2026 Sep 07 '24
I really don't want Dubya to endorse. For the Cheneys it's personal because of Liz's work on Jan 6 and Trump's continuing calls to have her jailed. Bush is out of the picture.
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u/EntireLychee833 Sep 07 '24
Sigh. I used to think Kendzior had some promise back in 2015, but her brand ever since then has been “See? I TOLD you Trump would win! He won! I was right and you were wrong! Here’s how America will end!”
At this point, I’m tired by the doomerism. Yes, things are bad, so we need people who actually want to encourage others to fix our issues instead of claiming the world will go to hell or to move to another country.
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u/GloriousPancake Madam Governor 2026 Sep 07 '24
I thought her brand was just sobbing into the microphone for 2 straight hours on her podcast.
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u/18093029422466690581 Bernie Sanders lost the 2020 Democratic Primary Sep 07 '24
I mean, if it's not a hallmark of every episode to start off by recounting all the death threats you've received then I'm not listening
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u/EntireLychee833 Sep 07 '24
Thankfully, I never listened to her podcast. At first, I read her essays and later, her book. The sad thing is that she occasionally has one good insight and then gets completely derailed because she has to talk about herself and/or how it dooms the country.
For instance, I liked how she noticed when BLM took off on Twitter, that there were ‘activists’ who gained influencer status solely by aggregating/stealing the work of activists on the ground at Ferguson, leaving them to remain anonymous and penniless, while these ‘influencers’ were able to monetize their work. This felt like the start of recognizing the limitations of online activism and how such causes can be manipulated by bad actors.
…Of course, she never really goes in that direction. She just mopes about how it shows nothing will ever change and Missouri is doomed. Which. Okay. Sure. Technically, we’re all doomed if we don’t try to make things better, Sarah.
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u/Mr_Conductor_USA transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison Sep 07 '24
She just mopes about how it shows nothing will ever change and Missouri is doomed.
Ignoring that some of the people on the ground in Ferguson used that time to organize runs for office, legal battles with the region and state government, etc. Some people in a position to do something really did do something.
That grifters came out of it is sad. There are more grifters out there than really get talked about but a lot of them just talked stuff on social media and put out the tin cup and got paid before moving onto the next trendy topic but you had people like Shaun King who get really close to mothers of victims only to break trust with them and use them for clout. That was really sick.
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u/18093029422466690581 Bernie Sanders lost the 2020 Democratic Primary Sep 07 '24
She had some prescient points about how Ukraine was basically Russias training ground for all number of political manipulation tactics, documenting how people in trump's 2016 campaign orbit were direct descendents of Victor Yanukovichs installation as Russias puppet. Nobody was paying attention to what was happening at the time, but literally everything Russia is accused of doing in the US, they did it first in Ukraine.
I also have an interest in the cyberwar that they've been waging for the past decade or more, and there are some major stories right out in the open for anybody to read but are generally ignored and forgotten. For example, Russia trying to hack our power grid, which sounds surprising until you learn how they've been doing it with some success in Ukraine for 5 years prior.
Sadly these online political people can have some good points, but that doesn't mean they are right about other things. And in this case she's a little unhinged
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u/LiquidSnape Pritzker 28 Sep 07 '24
Joe Biden is the leader of the Democratic Party and at noon January 20th 2025 it will be Kamala Harris
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u/poleethman Sep 07 '24
First off, Liz Cheney is not leading the party, and we still have our rights. She doesn't get credit for that. Secondly, why not link to a time-stamped tweet where she predicted that? Jpegs asserting that you previously predicted something is not proof that you said something in the past.
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u/Command0Dude Anarcho Bidenist Sep 07 '24
"Democrats embrace of right wing militarism"
Let me guess, she fails the ukraine litmus test and is pro-Hamas.
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u/Aravinda82 Sep 07 '24
Who gives a crap about what these people think or say. It’s clear they’ve become more and more irrelevant and they’re just yelling into the void. That’s why they’re lashing out like this. They’re desperately trying to remain relevant.
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u/wwabc Sep 07 '24
Harris has changed zero things to have the Cheneys endorse her. The only thing they agree on is that Trump is bad for the country
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u/allmilhouse Sep 07 '24
[Cheney endorses Harris]
Super wise commentator: "My prediction of Cheney controlling the Democratic party is now complete."
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u/brontosaurus3 Sep 09 '24
Ted Cruz wears a Rockets jersey and buys a ticket to a game
"Wow, so he basically owns the entire team?"
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u/What-The-Helvetica Sep 07 '24
I see Sarah is still on the path to Matt Taibbi-ish, Max Blumenthal infused Glenn Greenwald-ness.
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u/Mr_Conductor_USA transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison Sep 07 '24
Definitely room for some Bari Weiss style "They shunned me because I was right and covered their tracks with political correctness!"
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u/Impossible_Farmer285 Sep 07 '24
Simple enough? An old time Republican that didn’t have bone spurs!
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Sep 07 '24
She is projecting how she wishes democrats would treat her (welcome her with open arms and allow her views to influence/rule the party) onto Cheyney, no matter what Cheney’s or the Democrats’ motives are.
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u/Ordinary-Drawing987 Sep 07 '24
Except Cheney votes, is capable of pragmatism and isn't asking for palomino appaloosa unicorn.
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u/Godforsaken-depths Sep 07 '24
Seeing her icon sets off such a Pavlovian response in me. I was following her early on in the Trump presidency and she had me convinced we’d be under brutal martial law before the year was out.
Obviously you should be vigilant against MAGA and things are extremely precarious right now but I think she also gets off on having people terrified and in thrall to her words of wisdom.
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u/Emotional_Citron_522 Sep 16 '24
She was right that Trump would refuse to relinquish power. And that we should not be looking to institutions to save us. But many others made the same observations and were able to think pragmatically about how to solve the Trump problem, rather than just mope and sow panic.
Leaving aside that she's gone full blown elders of Zion blaming all ills of the world on Jews.
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u/Devils_Advocate-69 Sep 07 '24
Haven’t been on Twitter since Elon. Sad to see people I followed go full Hamas
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u/easyslide35 Sep 07 '24
The white girl privilege of such ignorance and spewing so many big words without knowing what they mean
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u/11brooke11 Sep 07 '24
It wasn't a far fetched guess two years ago to say that the Cheneys would endorse a Dem...
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u/bahwi Neoliberal Chatbot Sep 07 '24
Gay here. Democrats have been fighting for my rights for decades here. Republicans haven been fighting to take away my rights for far longer. So she can shut the hell up with her bullshit.
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u/18093029422466690581 Bernie Sanders lost the 2020 Democratic Primary Sep 07 '24
you know I used to listen to her podcast about Ukraine because she and her guest (can't remember her name but they were more versed in Ukrainian Russian politics than Sarah) were one of the only ones talking about the situation prior to the invasion. But she went a little hysterical and off the deep end and I got tired of the whining about all the haters so I stopped. Big yikes now.
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u/Emotional_Citron_522 Sep 16 '24
Andrea Chalupa was her partner who always seemed more sane, balanced and empathic. They've had a falling out (suprise!) and Andrea is no longer part of Gaslit Nation.
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u/palmasana Sep 07 '24
Jesus Christ what happened to her??? When did she derail?
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u/brontosaurus3 Sep 09 '24
When Bernie lost the second time was the moment she really went off the deep end.
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u/Liberty_Chip_Cookies 🇺🇦 Slava Ukrayiny 🇺🇦 Sep 09 '24
I don’t have an exact date, but in January of 2019 she declared that Pelosi was working for Trump because impeachment articles weren’t filed within five minutes of the 116th Congress being sworn in, so it was some time before that.
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u/your_not_stubborn Sep 07 '24
Two questions - who the fuck is this person and how is she actually involved in American politics?
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u/jml510 If you don't vote, you don't get to complain. Sep 08 '24
This thread is my first time hearing of her.
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Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
Listen, I’m looking forward to the day that the Cheney’s are our political adversaries again and we can assume that the other party has minimal respect for the constitution and at least some grasp on reality.
However, that day is long from coming so if the Cheney’s being on our side moves some republicans over the edge…that’s good. Hitler came to power because the people against him couldn’t get their shit together and present a unified front. So anything that prevents that from happening now, I want.
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u/ntbananas Sep 07 '24
“The problem with the democrats is that a tiny fraction of republicans have a spine”
Hmmmm