r/DanMachi • u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 • 14d ago
Light Novel PeakMachi spoilers Spoiler
Without any exaggeration vol 20 is the best volume in the series, I've only read the main events so will only recount what was interesting to me.
- Leon is described as the one who is closest to the title of the last hero.”
- Leon's magic is enough to break through Ottar's absolute defense head-on.
- Leon's magic is very short, but he says it's extreme ineffective due to having to break a lot of guns.
- Ottar is written as someone who has absolute defense, and Leon is someone who has absolute attack.
- Leon gave Bell a real baptism where he tried to teach him a technique that only Leon and Ottar possess.
- Allen, Hedin and the Gulliver brothers comment on the fight between Bell and Leon.
- Hogni and Ottar do not appear as observers at Leon and Bell's battle, this will probably be revealed in SO 15.
- At the end, an injured guy with black hair (Raul?) Returns with members of Loki's family, who were also injured and even lost limbs, begging to save their friends who are stuck on the 60th floor. The narrator declares that the Loki Family has been destroyed.
Really? Omori gave them a massive lvl up to turn some of the family into invalids and kill some of them?
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u/Farabeuf Hephaestus Familia 14d ago
Let’s wait and see what happened to the Loki Familia. Maybe things are not so dire. Limbs can be rebuilt (Nahza anyone) and Dea Saint can bring you back from almost anything. If anyone from LF is dead, I don’t think it will be any of the main characters.
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u/Novel_Sun3870 14d ago
Yeah pretty confident that the core LF members survive. Don’t see anyone important dying til at least the deepest part of the dungeon are reached.
And when fighting the OEBD
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u/RedDevil_nl 14d ago
If Tiona is gone, I’ll rampage
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u/Farabeuf Hephaestus Familia 14d ago
The entire fandom would join you. Tiona has to have a wonderful happy ending as Argonaut-kun’s biggest fan
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u/Farabeuf Hephaestus Familia 14d ago
Yes, for the final battle all bets are off. Oomori has to make it feel brutal.
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u/mib-number86 14d ago
Most of the first class adventurers are probably still alive, the guy returned to Orario to ask for reinforcements because they are stuck in some kind of structure and can't get back.
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u/Novel_Sun3870 14d ago edited 14d ago
So we still don’t know who is stronger between Ottar and Leon?
Or maybe it’s that both can defeat each other depending on the situation
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u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 14d ago
They're probably more than equal, Leon claims his magic is horribly ineffective, but if Leon uses all 12 swords, his magic will surpass beasmode. It is often emphasized that only they both have unique techniques, and that one has absolute defense and the other absolute attack.
I'd say Omori makes them more than equal, but if Leon can realize the 12 swords, he'll probably win.
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
Leon is mentioned to be superior to both Beastification and leveling up after 12 swords in terms of pure buff. Ottar still has his own magic though. Personally I would put Leon higher, but we don't have official answer.
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u/Adent_Frecca 14d ago
This is how I see it too, Leon is stronger if he manages to fully activate the conditions of his Magic and reach full power
Ottar however can reach his full power faster with a quick activation of his Skill and a short chant magic
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u/Novel_Sun3870 14d ago
Do we know how close both characters are in reaching the next level?
I know Ottar just needs one good feat but what about Leon?
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u/Adent_Frecca 14d ago
Leon already is in the S rank stats
A Level Up feat is the only thing he needs too
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
Leon has reached required stats long time ago. so he only needs a feat, just like Ottar.
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u/Fickle_Estate8453 14d ago edited 14d ago
So from what I read, when he summons sword number 1, it break he gets a big boost, than sword 2, another big boost, so on. Note I am pretty sure each of the 12 swords give him special perks as well. Then he summons his final sword which is the leviathans fang, that’s worth like 1.3 billion, much stronger than otter’s supreme black sword. We know ottar with beast mode is easily level 8, in terms of combat ability, and we have Leon who’s stronger than that, so he’s easily within the level 8 range if not higher. He’s likely in a similar situation as alfia and zard who can fight way beyond their weight class, like zald can eat monster and humans, alfia has her own thing, Leon is probably in the same boat, he has traits and abilities which is the 12 sword which allows him to fight way beyond his level, I mean it makes sense since he fought alongside zard and alfaria against leviathans and was a extremely crucial figure as well in defeating it.
So in base ottar and Leon should be relative with beast mode ottar being stronger, but once all 12 seals are unleashed, and getting access to leviathan fang which is the strongest sword we know of in the entire series so far, he’s basically the strongest in the current era, ottar greatest speciality and trait is absolute defence and durability, and Leon is able to get through ottar greatest speciality with his attack power. So ottar has a more simple booster, Leon has a way more powerful one just more steps and takes longer. It’s mentioned his 12 swords, grants a much bigger buff than beastifcation and a entire level up, since both ottar and Leon is the peak of level 7, with the 12 swords, and leviathan fang I would not be surprised if he’s a peak level 8 or level 9 in terms of combat ability,
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u/Adent_Frecca 14d ago
Worth noting that the Leviathan sword is an equipment and not a sword that comes from his Magic. He doesn't summon it with conditions
We also don't know the conditions of how a Sword "breaks" and what it's normal use it. Only that he needs to break it to gain a buff
Won't really put that Leon would reach peak Level 8, instead it would be more of a general Level Up tier boost like Ottar's Beastification, one can argue that it reaches higher but Ottar also has a complete S900+ rank Stats at base. However the series puts it more that both fighters are relatively in the same level
Probably want for a few more days to clear up the info from spoilers cause there are a lot of unconfirmed claims from multiple sources
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u/Fickle_Estate8453 14d ago
The 12 swords grants a much bigger buff than a entire level up or beastification, it was mentioned ottar is basically a equivalent to a level 8 according to the Loki top 3, just needs a big feat, Leon stats is also up there and been stuck like ottar for a long time, they both reached the peak of level 7 where they can rank to level 8 anytime with one big feat. So from what I seen, ottar and Leon are relative, but when they are at peak form that’s when the gap widens, since with the 12 swords unleashed, he’s stronger than ottar with beast mode, and Leon also doesn’t turn mindless or insane like ottar. Including leviathans fang the most powerful sword we seen in the series so far.
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u/AssistantIll2291 14d ago
LF is over ratted with that he can beat the 3 commander's of LF, i always thought freya is superior, and i was right
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u/Fickle_Estate8453 14d ago
Bete has Haiti, Garett mentioned in potential bete is the strongest adventurer he knows of, and he’s aware of ottar strength, but bete has a mental problem which hinders his use of it.
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
that statement is bullshit. Bete is not that strong.
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u/Fickle_Estate8453 14d ago edited 14d ago
You should know how Haiti works, it’s an extremely broken ability that has no limits to its growth. Bete just never uses it, it’s not how strong bete is it’s how strong bete could get with it. The flames get more powerful and hot, the more magic is absorbs, these flames absorbs and drains any and all forms of magic whether defensive, barriers, offensive magic, all elemental magics with no exception as long it contains mana. Any damage bete takes also strengthens and further boost his power, the flames will get so hot to the point it will burn bete himself, but the damage he gets from the burn further boost his power. By the way Haiti heals all damages and absorbs all of that into his growing flames, meaning he can’t die, and he heals in the same rate he gets damaged and exponentially stronger. The only way to defeat him is vaporize him before he gets strong enough, since Haiti won’t allow bête to die and it instantly turns all damage taken into the fire, meaning he’s practically immortal using it. There is one issue, is when someone has too much for them to handle, they go insane and turn mindless
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
You should know how Haiti works
it's precisely because I know that your comment looks strange
it’s an extremely broken ability that has no limits to its growth.
is completely wrong. Bete was stated as only possibly stronger than Ais using both Bestification and Hati, while Bestification is a buff equal to Ariel. If Hati doesn't even guarantee him a win against a magic-based opponent of the same level, then it's not even close to "broken". and yes, it has limits, Bete's HP.
By the way Haiti heals all damages and absorbs all of that into his growing flames, meaning he can’t die, and he heals in the same rate he gets damaged and exponentially stronger.
you've read the fanfics too much. Hati never had a healing effect, neither in the status sheet nor in the LN description itself. all the damage he takes remains, and his own fires also burn him.
The only way to defeat him is vaporize him before he gets strong enough, since Haiti won’t allow bête to die and it instantly turns all damage taken into the fire, meaning he’s practically immortal using it.
you can beat him just like any other adventurer. I guess you don't even know what SO is? Bete activated Hati against Filvis and took all the damage in the world without any heal and then lost consciousness from it, lol.
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u/Groszekace 14d ago
Leon is apparently stronger if all his buffs from magic activate.
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
his magic summons a sword. once that sword breaks, he gets a buff and summons the next one, and so on. it looks like when all 12 swords break, he gets all the buffs, giving him a ridiculous amount in total, and then he can fight with his main sword for 1.3 billion Valis, which is three times more expensive than Ottar's sword, and is also made from a Leviathan's fang. when Leon has all of his 12 swords crushed, I honestlt can't see Ottar's win.
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u/BedOk8774 14d ago
That magic sounds like something that would be most op if Aiz had it 😭
0.01 seconds to destroy all 12.
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u/Zyaggho 13d ago
They are effectively equal. Otter in terms of pure strength is probably stronger, but in terms of power is weaker. Leon’s magic is a bit stronger then a level up which makes it stronger then Otters skill, but Otter also has his own magic so they kinda equal out.
Leon at his peak has higher attack while Otter has higher endurance and easier access to his full power. If they fought it would be a 50/50.
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u/NeetestNeat 14d ago
Damn they buffed the executives and Lefiya only to get blitzed on a floor +1 better than their previous record lol.
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u/ArchAngel621 14d ago
If it was able to defeat the Loki Familia Executives (Levels 6s & 7s) and Ottar, then there's not much anyone else can do.
It's likely that they ran into the main body of the corrupted spirit.
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u/No_Extreme6901 14d ago
So only Hogni and Ottar will participate in the 60th floor expedition in SO15 as FF members?
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u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 14d ago
I don't know, I just read and didn't see Hogni and Ottar as the ones watching Bell and Leon's battle despite the fact that Freya was even there, they're probably busy with something very important.
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u/No_Extreme6901 14d ago
But does the battle between Leon and Bell happen before the meeting with Aiz? Because if it happens later, could it be that Hogni and Ottar went down to the 60th floor with LF?
Why can't I imagine only HF(and maybe even Ganesha Familia, although they should think about the city) on the 60th floor, after some also have difficulty on the 29th floor
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u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 14d ago
During Leon and Bell's battle, Ais and the rest of the fam loki are missing so they are already on the expedition since most of Freaya elite stayed in orario, I don't think Hogni and Ottar went on the expedition but I can assume they were in the dungeon and went to help upon hearing the destruction or something similar.
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u/No_Extreme6901 14d ago
Thanks. Then we can assume that in MS21, the expedition (most likely) could include: Allen, Hedin, the Gulliver brothers and the remaining FF members on the surface, Bell, Ryuu (perhaps also some members of Ganesha Familia, Aisha, Leon, level 5 of Hator and Baldur Class). I say as first-class adventurers
That is, if Leon stays at Orario
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u/yolo8900 14d ago
That the logical team with maybe the inclusion of some xenos. At least asterius (i know he would want to fight Bell but maybe in exchange of help, they set a date to their fight) and the new peluda xeno would be so helpful.
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u/Bellenstein 14d ago
The summery for SO 15 says that LF and FF would be working together on the expedition to floor. So imagine Ottar, Hogni, and a majority of FF went with them.
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u/The_Stinky_Pete 14d ago
They might be on duty at Mia's place.
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u/No_Extreme6901 14d ago
I thought FF would go down to the 60th floor and be in trouble(at least that's what I thought after that spoiler in MS20 and the description of SO15).
If that were the case, how would Bell and company get down to the 60th floor?
This was my thought but after reading the spoilers and understanding that many FF Elites are on the surface, now I no longer ask myself this question
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u/Additional_Show_3149 14d ago
If this is true its gonna be absolutely criminal if Sword Oratoria doesnt get a revamp or a continuation in anime form
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u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 14d ago
These are spoilers that I learned on my own from the book, so they're true.
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u/BedOk8774 14d ago
DW. Our skeletal GOAT will fix them all right up.
Also if they’re stuck, certainly it must be some kind of special situation right? Why would the narrator say they got wiped out?
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u/Popular-Bid 14d ago
As what many people said here, Leon feels like a SI-OC character in a DanMachi fanfic. Appearance-wise, he's honestly one of the best men in the verse, strength-wise he's broken as hell, and don't even start with his magic which IMO is bullshit.
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u/Tough_Marsupial_662 14d ago
OMG. I was right about LF, that it is going to be destroyed in the near future lol. And as I wrote nine days ago - "Finn's ambitions may foolish them in the future".
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u/jasper81222 14d ago
I wondered why Loki Familia seemed to be at the top of the world recently, avoiding a costly war game against Freya, replacing Freya Familia as the reigning power of Orario and having their top executives ranking up to level 7.
It was to prepare them for the hardest fall.
It's unlikely the core members are dead but based on the description, many of their lower ranking members are dead and crippled. Hell, the executives might even have members who are also suffering crippling injuries.
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u/Dramatic_Club_9876 14d ago
I guessing not all Freya familia member join the expedition. If so then the rescue party will consist of Bell,Leon and the rest of Freya Familia
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u/ResponsibleCheek7127 14d ago
Next volume is probably gonna be the same as volume 14 a rescue mission when bell and ryuu were stuck in the dungeon.
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u/Gaming_DestroyerYong Bell 14d ago
So Ottar and Leon are written like the 3rd Raikage where the defense is weaker than the offense
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u/littlevictim 14d ago
Loki fam overestimated themselves.. I mean Royman told them to explore those regions they have to be zeus or hera familia tier when he gave them the frozen knife
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u/The_Stinky_Pete 14d ago
Finally some forward motion that isn't BS harem based.
Not really sure what Bell with the FF elites are going to be able to do based on their level of strength compared to current LF. But fark it don't let logic get in the way of a good story. 😂
Always had imagined Bell and FF rode into save LF whilst they were losing to the corrupted spirit. Instead of traversing levels they go through the floors with argonaut blasts or capturing a lambton.
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u/BedOk8774 14d ago
Capturing a lambton and taxi-ing through the floors is simultaneously the stupidest yet funnest ideas I’ve ever heard of. I need to see it in canon now.
Also, Haruhime gonna come in clutch for the rescue party because without her, they’re cooked.
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u/The_Stinky_Pete 14d ago
You have read SO1-5 correct? Below F50 is a death sentence for adventurers that aren't lv3 and above. Haruhime is a weak lv2, her floor limit is around F30 unless she has a large familia covering for her.
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u/BedOk8774 14d ago
Id imagine if you had high rank adventurers act as literal body shields for her 24/7 it could work out.
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u/Efficient-Car-430 14d ago
Not really sure what Bell with the FF elites are going to be able to do based on their level of strength compared to current LF. But fark it don't let logic get in the way of a good story. 😂
Lmao what??? Loki familias elites are not even close to being so much stronger than freyas that they literally make them irrelevant.
And please tell me what is the more logical way here? Freya and loki are the strongest familia's by a massive margin. If one can't do something the other is literally the only other option.
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u/The_Stinky_Pete 14d ago
You might have missed Finn, Gareth and Riveria leveling up to lv7?
LF has 3x Lv7 all with unique skills, 3x lv6s which are weaker than FF lv6s. Aki as a lvl 5 with mass level ups across the whole familia. Add Tsubaki, Armid and it appears some of FFs former lower level members. There are reportedly more on this expedition than I have listed but will have to wait until SO15.
What are 1x lv7, 4x lv6 the GBros and Bell going to do? Especially since the former FF guys struggle to work as a team. When you compare the fire power it's illogical that the rescue party would be able to save them if LF was 'decimated'.
Hence my comment.
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u/Efficient-Car-430 14d ago
You might have missed Finn, Gareth and Riveria leveling up to lv7?
And it'd take all of them together to even stand a chance against just ottar.
3x lv6s which are weaker than FF lv6s. Aki as a lvl 5 with mass level ups across the whole familia.
And in your mind these are arguments in favor of loki familia??? You just described how all of their young first tiers are weaker then freyas and all the mass Level ups mean is they have a bunch of new level 4s and 3.
What are 1x lv7, 4x lv6 the GBros and Bell going to do? Especially since the former FF guys struggle to work as a team. When you compare the fire power it's illogical that the rescue party would be able to save them if LF was 'decimated
1 do you actually believe they're going to do anything by themselves? I think it should be obvious they're going to rescue any loki familia survivors(and we both know omori didn't kill any relevant characters) and work together with them. And 2 it's not illogical if their are literally no better alternatives
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u/Otherwise_Finding_34 14d ago
I don't think we should be surprised. Leading his Familia into a trap is something Finn does on a regular basis. He finally succeeded once again, but a rescue expedition will disrupt his plans to destroying his own Familia...
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u/Exciting_Nebula5825 14d ago
Why would Finn will do that?. As if now , everything that both novels (SO and danmachi) have told us that he wants to restore his race’s reputation by becoming hero. He is not type to evil stuff . That much has been verified.
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u/Novel_Sun3870 14d ago
You misunderstood. He’s saying this because he thinks his leadership skills suck ass or are overrated. Hence why for him it almost feels like Finn is doing this “on purpose”.
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u/Imaginary-Maize4675 13d ago
Because he is a self-confident and smug fool, convinced of his messianism and invincibility.
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u/N-Zero00 12d ago
I am fearing one or two of lf new level seven will be 6ft under or crippled by the time the rescue party arrives.
SO15 will be a riot next month.
Hopefully the fate of lf will be used as a good reason for royman to stop his elevator plan for the dungeon.
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u/UnderstandingOk6959 14d ago
Any guesses what happened to LF? Maybye they met a corrupted spirit?