r/DanMachi Nov 11 '24

Light Novel Freya NOT evil confirmed!

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u/Akabane_Izumi Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Wait till you read Astrea Record to see what "evil" gods really mean. (One of the reasons why Astrea Record should be adapted -- it paints such a different picture of Orario, the prosperous city of adventurers.)

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u/Marcioobloo Nov 11 '24

Granted Erebus also loved humanity, but he just couldn't avoid his nature as absolute evil

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u/Important_Mastodon99 Nov 11 '24

Isn’t Astrea also the goddess of Justice yet she is great friends with Freya, who supposedly is the most evil goddess some of the viewers has seen 😂

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u/Akabane_Izumi Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Freya is actually somewhat normal for gods and goddesses -- beautiful yet can also be apathetic and ruthless when it comes to pursuing her goals. (Someone similar is Hermes who constantly pulls dangerous schemes to force Bell's growth without remorse.) Goddesses of chastity and goodie-two-shoes goddesses are in the minority.

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u/FairBluebird1081 Nov 11 '24

Wtf is this argument, astrea looked to be friendly with Erebus himself before sending him to heaven 😭 being evil or not is not something that should be qualified by wether astrea is friendly or not

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u/ImplementExpress3949 Nov 11 '24

Anybody who thinks Freya is the worst has not read Sword Oratoria.

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u/Jumpn_Jo Nov 11 '24

Yea, “Enyo” is something else entirely. Not saying who it is in case people wanna read it. Manga is much better than the anime. Light Novel goes further beyond the story of the Manga.

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u/Talisman28 Nov 11 '24

Just cause other gods have done worse doesn’t mean she isn’t a piece of sh*t

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u/WanoKozuki1996 Nov 11 '24

Finally someone gets it what she is doing is f*cked up

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u/Re0Fan Nov 11 '24

What could they do worse than phisical.and mental torture paired with your feelings erased along with precious memories? Same thing for much more people perhaps? Mah

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u/Desperate_Task_4849 Nov 11 '24

Mass Murder, try to destroy the seal on the Dungeon, Blow up the city, Human experimentation, etc....

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u/Re0Fan Nov 11 '24

Good point

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u/Geryuganshooppp Nov 11 '24

you answer that. it's just one boi.

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u/Re0Fan Nov 11 '24

Then they should be equally evil right? One or many wont really change the intensity of.evil, only its scale.

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u/Geryuganshooppp Nov 11 '24

if you think so. but if that happens to any other human that's not the favorite child of the gods no one would bat a fcking eye. that's how god is, fickle being. there's no obligation at all for them to be good or bad completely they just like having fun.

that's why we all can get all mad here with our standard but ppl in danmachi would never verdict a god as evil jist by doing tiny bit of mischief, bcs the things that the god did in their short lifetime doesn't compare to what they've done since the beginning of the world. unless it's something like destroying babel to let the monster out or working with dungeon to end humanity

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u/Ok-Objective-5880 Nov 11 '24

She charmed the writter 😂

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u/Embarrassed_Bread632 Nov 11 '24

Re:creators🤣🤣🤣

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u/sociostein11 Nov 11 '24

Ngl that anime was one of the most creative ones I’ve watched, really need to rewatch it

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u/OddName_17516 Nov 11 '24

Look on how she cares for bell

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u/BedOk8774 Nov 11 '24

Stockholm syndrome go brrrrrr

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u/bellcarnel Nov 11 '24

This is part of training. She is helping him to reach his goal of becoming strong💪

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u/BedOk8774 Nov 11 '24

Unconsensually.

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u/Inevitable-Range-967 Nov 11 '24

"You can question my methods but not my results."

-Probably Freya

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u/Animelover5674 Nov 11 '24

"I wanted strength. Not strength and trauma."

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u/wal297 Nov 11 '24

Loki Família provavelmente venceria

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u/Labmit Nov 11 '24

That's where the blue and orange morality trope comes in. For the mortals, it's a breach in their dignity and freedom. For gods, they were more angry at her using a cheat skill.

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u/Old_Concern_396 Nov 11 '24

She may not be evil, but she's definitely not forgivable. You can't just get away with charming the whole town and trying to break the MC from his love interest.

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u/Neilgotbig8 Nov 11 '24

The hypocrisy to write her as not "an evil goddess" and justifying her action for "the twisted state of Orario", Lol

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u/WanoKozuki1996 Nov 11 '24

Right did he see the same thing I saw

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u/MuromiSan Nov 11 '24

Alright time to bonk the writer he too is charmed by freya

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u/WanoKozuki1996 Nov 11 '24

Definitely cause he sounds so biased

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u/Good_Nyborg Nov 11 '24

Just more propaganda pushed by Big Freya™

/obey

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u/Psychological-Load-2 Nov 11 '24

“Big Freya” is the funniest thing ever because it’s true in every conceivable way.

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u/TheDotCaptin Nov 11 '24

If Freya didn't push Bell to become stronger than by the end of the series he won't be strong enough to beat whatever the last boss is.

Freya is therefore responsible for saving the day.

Although she should probably write an apology letter afterwards, a box of chocolates would probably still be included.

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u/Desperate_Task_4849 Nov 11 '24

I hope for Bell she hasn't made those chocolate herself.

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u/Formal_Concept_7605 Nov 11 '24

Bro if Freya didn’t exist than bell will still become stronger by going in the dungeon deeper and face hardships

She’s useless She’s just doing what the dungeon monster would have done

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u/Extension-Net-7987 Nov 11 '24

Somewhat Agree. Because of Freya, Bell has faced more daunting challenges early in his journey. So his dungeon exploits probably would have come with time.

On the other hand, who is to say whether he would have developed firebolt without the grimoire given to him by Freya, which has been the anchor of his ability of overcome obstacles and survive.

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u/Formal_Concept_7605 Nov 11 '24

He would have gained one way or another

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u/Extension-Net-7987 Nov 11 '24

Agreed. The only question is, would he have survived long enough for it to manifest naturally.

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u/-whiteroom- Nov 11 '24

Bell would be long dead if freya wasn't there.

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u/TheDotCaptin Nov 11 '24

But would he be strong enough in time. If it takes him longer to level up, by the end he might be just short of the mark to beat the final boss.

He probably won't have gotten firebolt or his other magic without the grimoire.

Also Freja was the one that unleashed that monster in the city.

And she also took care of that other love goddess that was into him. If she hadn't tossed her over the edge. Then Bell may have still been unable to win.

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u/MIHIGHYO Nov 11 '24

Her gaslighting is so strong she even gaslights half of the community

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u/Beginning-Monk6084 Bell Nov 11 '24

She's broken, not evil. There's a difference

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u/BlackKnighting20 Nov 11 '24

They are not mutually exclusive. Being broken can led you to doing evil acts.

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u/InformalPermit9638 Nov 11 '24

"not an evil goddess bent on destruction" -- she is an evil goddess, just not one bent on destruction.

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u/verycardhock Nov 11 '24

suprisingly enough it was stated on multiple occasions she's the reason Orario still exists. Enyo's plan would have destroyed Orario at the beginning of the story but Freya Charmed the monsterphilia monsters to chase Hestia and Bell.

This was something Enyo could have never predicted, changing the course of events. That being said she isn't evil in the traditional wrathful sense BUT she's clearly evil in the jealous sense.

If you're going to steal a child from someone and you threaten their family at death, but you don't wish to actually kill them but are willing if they disobey, you're still definitely evil. Good luck doing that in RL and saying you're not evil.

Just because she's not a representative of Evilus doesn't mean she's evil. Her divinity isn't evil but she still chose the evil.

P.S if this was Phyrne you wouldn't be defending those actions.

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u/shep_squared Nov 11 '24

Don't give her credit for an unpredictable consequence of a destructive whim. Not when her actions are very much the opposite of it.

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u/PanzerTitus Nov 11 '24

Accurate. Have an upvote.

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u/klodo_alda Nov 11 '24

That's the game.

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u/RazorHusky Nov 11 '24

Well it is written by omori so it’s true.

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u/Deathcon92 Nov 11 '24

guys shes not evil she just kidnapped and is trying to manipulate a 14 year old boy to rape him but shes hot so its ok

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u/Re0Fan Nov 11 '24

Normally, evil people do not realize being evil.

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u/Clear-Priority-6530 Nov 11 '24

That’s why I say she’s wholesome haha

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u/Zaynewolf Ganesha Familia Nov 11 '24

Being hell bent on world annihilation is evil but not the only thing that can be defined as evil. Omori may like Freya as a character but that lady is twisted.

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u/Terra-Em Nov 11 '24

Not an evil goddess bent on destruction, but an evil goddess bent on controlling the world in her image.

Lol

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u/NateLebb Nov 11 '24

Still doesn’t make what she did ok though

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u/Hot-Thought-1339 Nov 11 '24

Not being evil is not the same boat as Cruel.

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u/TehTimmah1981 Nov 11 '24

She is evil, but not evil evil. Selfish, arrogant, and sometimes willing to compromise her own morals, and hurt, even kill at times, people in order to achieve her desires. But not out of any hate for anyone. It's part of what makes her an interesting villain. There is reason for what she does. Not good reason, not sensible reason to anyone outside of herself, but a sort of rationale, that you can understand

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u/popstarkirbys Nov 12 '24

She’s not evil, just very selfish

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u/Working_Swan_1674 Nov 12 '24

If she's evil bell's friend would all been dead