Can we talk about the sheer double standards female characters are held to compared to males? The sheer hypocrisy in how women are judged compared to how men are judged? RWBY, Legend of Korra, Arcane, She-Ra, The Owl House, and so much more.

[u/CapAccomplished8072]

[u/privibri]

🤓☝🏻 achsualllyyy grils are supposed to be very sOfT and KinD HEaRtEd everyone (only me) dislikes when a gril is aNGry and HoT hEAdeD. Their basic NatuRe is being SUbmiSiVE and LovInG /S

[u/saaahhhdude → u/privibri]

Aight, I get your comment is sarcasm, BUT HEAR ME OUT. A hotheaded, angry girl that is soft with you is one of the biggest brags ever. You mean to tell me that this woman who is reflexively angry and brash to the world around her feels safe enough to be gentle, kind, and open with her heart around me? I’m going to be proud of that. That means I make her feel safe enough to drop her walls. You already know I’m never going to do anything to ruin that.

[u/Shostakobitch → u/saaahhhdude]

Hard agree. Some guys don’t want or see women as fully fleshed out, multi faceted characters they want bland copy-paste NPCs

[u/BoopleBun → u/saaahhhdude]

This reads very Wash/Zoe to me. (Though she’s more “take no shit” than “angry”.)

[u/ugh_usernames_373]

I would say that Zuko was annoying, arrogant, & a colonialist who was forced to undergo development. Korra had the opposite of Aangs troubles, being that she had already mastered her elements. What differed was that Aang was notably further in his spiritual development than Korra who had yet to be troubled the immense trauma/conflict of her times. That is because she grew up in great peace.

A person who skillfully boxes for entertainment compared to someone who boxed for their livelihood will obviously be different in their showcasing of skills. The entire show was how peace was shattered & unfortunately the Avatar was traumatized into action even going to the point that she was straight crippled in a wheelchair.

[u/Saffigato → u/ugh_usernames_373]

exactly! I’ve never understood the Korra hate. did people just want a one to one repeat of ATLA??? the fact they effectively invert Aangs character allows us to see a completely different Avatar and that’s precisely what a new show should offer.

[u/caivts]

As long as these girls still exist, I don't care what they call her. I'm an arrogant asshole woman, and I'll support all the arrogant asshole women created for girls like me. That aside, Korra went through things Aang couldn't have ever imagined, and she suffered constantly with everyone against her. I'll always love her.... But she's not even annoying

[u/Useful_Exercise_6882 → u/caivts]

And like her story was also about growing up, she started as a 16 something girl who didn't know what being the avatar means, in the end she just started to learn what it means to be the avatar.

She did things no other avatar had done yet and she felt her life as the avatar just started.

[u/FeatheryRobin]

When I watched the show, everybody was like "don't even try it, it's so bad!" when I mentioned that I'm watching it. Usually it was about her being a bad character or whatever and when having watched the whole thing....

Yup, it's just misogyny again.

[u/Saffigato → u/FeatheryRobin]

yeah I put off watching it for years because of the same thing. but the only people who could watch LoK and classify her as “annoying” are incels.

[u/dickslosh → u/FeatheryRobin]

tbh i started watching it immediately after atla and didnt find it as engaging, i found the first few episodes boring. should i try again and stick it out?

[u/FeatheryRobin → u/dickslosh]

Yeah, the beginning is kinda boring, but the overall series is really interesting. It's set in an industrial era, probably hopping on to the steampunk trend that was really popular at that time.

[u/Useful_Exercise_6882]

All i will say is this, you can't have caracter developement if the caracter doesn't have something they need to work on.

Like i used to write some stories just for fun and had a female caracter who had many flaws (in the end of the story she would have worked on those flaws) some dude (who was a friend of a friend) hated my caracter and said he wished she died a horrible death (like god forbid a female caracter has things she needs to work on and gets developement).

[u/No-Common-3883]

In my opinion the worst thing about this is how some people claim harsh punishment for female characters and literally doesn't claim any punishment for male characters who did even worse things

[u/throwawaytempest25]

It's annoying, especially even in arguments where you could debate writing choices, some people have gone absolutely AWOL with it:

RWBY had people whining they were acting "like good little girls who should've been told what do to" just because they disagreed with a writing decision.

Korra went from people complaining she was too overpowered to people saying she lost too many fights (even though both can work and a protagonist can have a healthy win loss record)

If Owl House didn't introduce Luz and Amity before Hunter, it would've been people complaining the show was appealing to Lumnity shippers instead of pairing Hunter with one of them.

[u/DillyWillyGirl]

I didn’t really like LoK but I don’t remember disliking her character any more than I disliked pretty much everyone else. I do remember finding her annoying but I think I was just annoyed at the show in general for not being as good as AtLA lol

My main issue wasn’t with the characters. Character flaws can lead to very satisfying payoff—I didn’t like Sokka for a long time for many of the same reasons I didn’t like Korra, but loved him by the end of the series.

My main issue was with the world building in general. In AtLA, you can see the presence of bending in every aspect of society and the way it developed. City design, culture, technological development, etc is all fueled by the existence of bending. Society developed in a different way than our world because of it. In LoK it could have been very interesting to see a take on how Industrial Revolution might have progressed with bending as an alongside presence, but instead it just felt like the AtLA world with our world’s version of the Industrial Revolution on top. It left me feeling very underwhelmed, because the world building was my favorite part of AtLA.

[u/Available-Football]

Sometimes it feels like the avatar fandom and misogyny go hand in hand. People will say that Azula is way worse than Zuko, Iroh or even Ozai is.

[u/Life-Seaworthiness24 → u/Available-Football]

Omg the double standard between Zuko and Azula is insane. They do comparatively terrible shit throughout the show and comics but Zuko is allowed to be redeemed and seen for more than his bad actions, while Azula's comparable actions make her completely irredeemable.  

So much more I could go on about in regards to how people blatantly misinterpret her character to the point where I wonder if we even watched the same damn show but this comment would turn into a thesis.

[u/SwordsOfSanghelios]

A guy on Instagram was complaining yesterday that the men in Arcane look incompetent to the women and I’m like… where? Is it because compared to the women, most of the male characters aren’t as beefy or as large? Or the fact that the male characters, aside from Viktor, Jayce, and Ekko don’t take centre stage? It’s not that the male characters are incompetent, it’s the fact that the female characters are more important to the overall plot and are the main focus of the show.