r/BlackPeopleTwitter Jul 20 '24

Country Club Thread The party of "fuck you, I got mine"

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u/ChiggaOG Jul 20 '24

Sounds like what Japan has, but getting citizenship in Japan is harder even for someone living over there and working.

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u/Chronis67 Jul 20 '24

And Japan is known for being fairly racist, except a lot of people are pro-Japan so we call it xenophobia instead.

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u/CanuckBacon Jul 20 '24

I think xenophobic is a good word for it since they tend to be bigoted against people from basically all other cultures. Whereas a racist white American likely wouldn't make much distinction between themselves and a white Brit or Canadian,. Bigoted Japanese people will look down on Koreans, Chinese, etc. Hell, they discriminate against ethnic Japanese people that are descendents of those that lived in Brazil. Xenophobic is a more useful word.

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u/InnocentShaitaan 24d ago

They sound rather Desi…

Happy 🧁 day! 🥳

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u/BunnyBellaBang Jul 20 '24

Because American concept of race is stupid. Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are all classified as Asian, so if they hate each other, it can't be racism. But that makes about as much sense as saying that no one is racist because we are all one human race. Racism from an American view barely works when applied just to the US and falls apart when it is applied globally. We need a better way to describe bigotry in general, but the topic is complex and people want simple labels. So we always end up with simple labels that don't fit some situations and then some people acting like the situations the labels don't fit is not nearly as bad as the situations where the labels do fit.

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u/BigDeckLanm Jul 20 '24

Do redditors only know about Japan and the US? Lmao

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u/ChiggaOG Jul 20 '24

Spending enough time in those spheres makes it easy to pick up. I know less about citizenship in other countries without using Wikipedia as a source or if there is youtube videos about the process.

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u/Aidian Jul 20 '24

If it helps, we can certainly note that Antigua & Barbuda and Tanzania are in the list of unrestricted jus soli countries as well.

Mongolia has a more restricted form with some stipulations,1 along with Australia, Sweden, Thailand, and more.

1 Generally, this looks something like a requirement that one’s parents must have been living within the territory for a given number of years, and/or that one must actively claim it rather than citizenship being conferred automatically.

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

Unconditional birthright citizenship is actually rare for most countries. In Europe for example, no country offers unconditional birthright citizenship (at least one parent of citizenship is usually needed). I'd be okay with a more nuanced form of citizenship. For example, if you are born in the US and live there at least X years, you gain citizenship automatically, instead of this bullshit where Russian elite fly over, give birth, then fly back to their home country.

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u/gerblnutz Jul 20 '24

I forgot the part where a bunch of illegal immigrants came into America and told the native population where they couldn't live.

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

https://youtu.be/iVqQosyOpg4?t=60

I always liked this scene that gives perspective on how Native Americans weren't a single homogenous harmonious people (as stereotypes would have it), but rather many separate nations that fought over and conquered territory from each other long before Europeans came.

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u/CanuckBacon Jul 20 '24

Depends entirely on where those countries are. In the Americas birthright citizenship in the norm. Almost every country in the Americas has it. In Eurasia it's the opposite.

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 Jul 20 '24

Checks Google.

33 countries have unrestricted birth right citizenship

That's not exactly "rare".

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

Most of those are tiny countries in the Caribbean and central/south America. The only first world countries in that list are the US and Canada. Remember, there are almost 200 countries in the world.

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u/Aidian Jul 20 '24

So 33/195, or just shy of 17% of all countries.

An additional 37 have jus soli with some varying restrictions, putting the wider scope total of soli v sanguinis at more like 36%.

While I wouldn’t argue that it’s necessarily common, it also seems disingenuous to state that something prevalent in virtually the entirety of the North and South American continents is “rare.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

good thing we're not Japan

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u/thebestgesture Jul 20 '24

Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.

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u/Cosmereboy Jul 20 '24

Yes, and while we could (should? I'm not sure) change it, we cannot strip existing citizens of their citizenry. 

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u/UnlikelyHero727 Jul 20 '24

Birthright citizenship is an Americas thing, the rest of the world goes by blood.

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u/stonebraker_ultra Jul 20 '24

What's your point?

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u/UnlikelyHero727 Jul 20 '24

That birthright citizenship is the odd one out, what do you want?

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u/Ucccafelatte Jul 20 '24

Sounds like what most of the world has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Almost all states in Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania grant nationality at birth based upon the principle of jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), in which nationality is inherited through parents rather than birthplace, or a restricted version of jus soli in which nationality by birthplace is automatic only for the children of certain immigrants.