r/BlackPeopleTwitter Jul 20 '24

Country Club Thread The party of "fuck you, I got mine"

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u/rookieoo Jul 20 '24

Trump says he wants birthright citizenship to change. If that happens, new babies born to illegal immigrants won't be citizens.

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u/TheCommonKoala ☑️ Jul 20 '24

Currently, they are American citizens. He is calling for the deportation of natural born Americans.

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u/Rottimer Jul 20 '24

If that happens, new babies born to legal immigrants won’t be citizens.

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u/rookieoo Jul 20 '24

"Donald Trump said on Tuesday that if elected president again in 2024 he would seek to end automatic citizenship for children born in the United States to immigrants in the country illegally"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/

Has he changed his stance?

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u/Rottimer Jul 20 '24

Logistically, you can’t end one without ending the other.

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u/rookieoo Jul 20 '24

That isn't true.

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u/ChiggaOG Jul 20 '24

Sounds like what Japan has, but getting citizenship in Japan is harder even for someone living over there and working.

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u/Chronis67 Jul 20 '24

And Japan is known for being fairly racist, except a lot of people are pro-Japan so we call it xenophobia instead.

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u/CanuckBacon Jul 20 '24

I think xenophobic is a good word for it since they tend to be bigoted against people from basically all other cultures. Whereas a racist white American likely wouldn't make much distinction between themselves and a white Brit or Canadian,. Bigoted Japanese people will look down on Koreans, Chinese, etc. Hell, they discriminate against ethnic Japanese people that are descendents of those that lived in Brazil. Xenophobic is a more useful word.

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u/InnocentShaitaan 24d ago

They sound rather Desi…

Happy 🧁 day! 🥳

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u/BunnyBellaBang Jul 20 '24

Because American concept of race is stupid. Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are all classified as Asian, so if they hate each other, it can't be racism. But that makes about as much sense as saying that no one is racist because we are all one human race. Racism from an American view barely works when applied just to the US and falls apart when it is applied globally. We need a better way to describe bigotry in general, but the topic is complex and people want simple labels. So we always end up with simple labels that don't fit some situations and then some people acting like the situations the labels don't fit is not nearly as bad as the situations where the labels do fit.

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u/BigDeckLanm Jul 20 '24

Do redditors only know about Japan and the US? Lmao

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u/ChiggaOG Jul 20 '24

Spending enough time in those spheres makes it easy to pick up. I know less about citizenship in other countries without using Wikipedia as a source or if there is youtube videos about the process.

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u/Aidian Jul 20 '24

If it helps, we can certainly note that Antigua & Barbuda and Tanzania are in the list of unrestricted jus soli countries as well.

Mongolia has a more restricted form with some stipulations,1 along with Australia, Sweden, Thailand, and more.

1 Generally, this looks something like a requirement that one’s parents must have been living within the territory for a given number of years, and/or that one must actively claim it rather than citizenship being conferred automatically.

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

Unconditional birthright citizenship is actually rare for most countries. In Europe for example, no country offers unconditional birthright citizenship (at least one parent of citizenship is usually needed). I'd be okay with a more nuanced form of citizenship. For example, if you are born in the US and live there at least X years, you gain citizenship automatically, instead of this bullshit where Russian elite fly over, give birth, then fly back to their home country.

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u/gerblnutz Jul 20 '24

I forgot the part where a bunch of illegal immigrants came into America and told the native population where they couldn't live.

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

https://youtu.be/iVqQosyOpg4?t=60

I always liked this scene that gives perspective on how Native Americans weren't a single homogenous harmonious people (as stereotypes would have it), but rather many separate nations that fought over and conquered territory from each other long before Europeans came.

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u/CanuckBacon Jul 20 '24

Depends entirely on where those countries are. In the Americas birthright citizenship in the norm. Almost every country in the Americas has it. In Eurasia it's the opposite.

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 Jul 20 '24

Checks Google.

33 countries have unrestricted birth right citizenship

That's not exactly "rare".

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u/salgat Jul 20 '24

Most of those are tiny countries in the Caribbean and central/south America. The only first world countries in that list are the US and Canada. Remember, there are almost 200 countries in the world.

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u/Aidian Jul 20 '24

So 33/195, or just shy of 17% of all countries.

An additional 37 have jus soli with some varying restrictions, putting the wider scope total of soli v sanguinis at more like 36%.

While I wouldn’t argue that it’s necessarily common, it also seems disingenuous to state that something prevalent in virtually the entirety of the North and South American continents is “rare.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

good thing we're not Japan

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u/thebestgesture Jul 20 '24

Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.

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u/Cosmereboy Jul 20 '24

Yes, and while we could (should? I'm not sure) change it, we cannot strip existing citizens of their citizenry. 

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u/UnlikelyHero727 Jul 20 '24

Birthright citizenship is an Americas thing, the rest of the world goes by blood.

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u/stonebraker_ultra Jul 20 '24

What's your point?

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u/UnlikelyHero727 Jul 20 '24

That birthright citizenship is the odd one out, what do you want?

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u/Ucccafelatte Jul 20 '24

Sounds like what most of the world has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Almost all states in Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania grant nationality at birth based upon the principle of jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), in which nationality is inherited through parents rather than birthplace, or a restricted version of jus soli in which nationality by birthplace is automatic only for the children of certain immigrants.

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u/bit_pusher Jul 20 '24

Trump wants a lot of things, he isn't going to get a constitution amendment ratified by the states ending jus soli.

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u/rookieoo Jul 20 '24

Then they won't have a legal path to deport naturally born citizens. But they will still be able to deport undocumented parents

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u/bit_pusher Jul 20 '24

Well, if its an "official act", SCOTUS just made it to where we can't hold the president criminally liable for deporting naturally born citizens.

Edit: also, undocumented parents with a us born child can still be deported. you cannot sponsor your parents for a green card until you are 21. anchor babies, for the most part, are a myth. they're a strawman.

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u/Positive_Education49 Jul 20 '24

Fake news

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u/rookieoo Jul 20 '24

What's fake?

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u/Positive_Education49 Jul 20 '24

Pretty much Everything dems say ab Trump. But to the comments Trump doesn’t want to deport legal immigrant babies.

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u/90daysismytherapy Jul 20 '24

It’s okay if you just don’t know how laws work.

I’m sure he didn’t want kids in cages tooo. Or he just doesn’t understand what the words he says mean… which leads to more questions for you.

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u/ear_cheese Jul 20 '24

That’s not what u/rookieoo said. He said Trump wants to change the rule that allows anyone born in the US to be a citizen.

So if that happened (which is unlikely, but we said that about Roe, too) then those babies wouldn’t be legal anymore.

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u/Rottimer Jul 20 '24

Do you actually care? If Trump told you to your face, that yes, he wanted to deport legal immigrant babies, would you not want to vote for him?

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u/C0nfuzed- Jul 20 '24

I wish I didnt have to use any roads or bridges.

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u/Positive_Education49 Jul 20 '24

I wouldn’t want to actually. I’m not even a Trump fan I think Vivek was a way better option. However Trump is not the devil dems make him out to be. And Biden has done jackshit for the American people. So Trump it is for me.

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u/Character_Concern101 Jul 20 '24

your callous apathy is going to hurt many many people, women and children especially

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u/Rottimer Jul 20 '24

And you don’t believe birthright citizenship will cause the deportation of babies that are current considered legal? Or his original plan to eliminate immigration for family members of U.S. citizens? It’s estimated that plan would reduce legal immigration by more than 50%.

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u/tripee Jul 20 '24

The US and really the whole globe has a boomer replacement problem in the workforce. Anyone who thinks any President is going to target labor and reduce it has no idea how economies work and how superpowers stay superpowers.

Trump says these things because his base loves to hear it. His base sees a bunch of illegals coming across their border and their living conditions simultaneously deteriorate and they want something to blame. The reality is, without immigration we would have been in a recession at least once in 2022/2023 and probably would be talking about unemployment at the 5% level.

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u/audiojake Jul 20 '24

Found the bootlicker

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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 20 '24

If you actually looked the Bills the democrats have been passing, you might not say that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

Name ONE.

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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 20 '24

H.R. 2365 Dr. Emmanuel Bilirakis and Honorable Jennifer Wexton National Plan to End Parkinson’s Act,” Tuesday, July 2, 2024

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2024/07/02/bill-signed-h-r-2365/

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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 20 '24

HR 1240, 4581 “Winnebago Land Transfer Act of 2023,” Friday, July 12, 2024

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2024/07/12/bills-signed-h-r-1240-h-r-4581/

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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 20 '24

S 206, 1858 “Eradicating Narcotic Drugs and Formulating Effective New Tools to Address National Yearly Losses of life Act” or the “END FENTANYL Act,” Monday, March 18, 2024

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2024/03/18/press-release-bills-signed-s-206-s-1858/

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

Way to admit either you’ve never listened to his words and/or you’re a terrible person. It’s and, not or, we know.